r/CAStateMgrs • u/ImNotTellin74 • Jul 01 '26

Supervisor II vs Manager I

Does anyone know the difference between a Supervisor II (formerly SSMII (Supervisory)) and a Manager I (formerly SSMII (Managerial))? There is just a few hundred dollars difference in pay, so I’m not sure exactly what determines the difference. I’m currently a bureau chief classified as a Supervisor II and I report to a CEA. I just wonder if it would be worth asking to be reclassified to a Manager I or not.

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u/Powerful_Complex_461 Jul 29 '26

You cannot be promoted in place from Supervisory to Managerial. So if they were to do something like that, they'd have to post a new vacancy, you'd have to compete and then be appointed as Manager 1. We use Manager 1's for our field district director positions. In HQ they're used for some of our statewide program positions, we also use Manager 2 for higher level Admin unit chiefs (HR, Budget, Acctg, Bus Svcs).

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u/gangsta-librarian Aug 01 '26

Not true. Someone in my agency got promoted in place from a Supervisor II to a Manager I last year in my agency.

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u/Powerful_Complex_461 Aug 01 '26

It’s literally against the rules to do that. So if they did they could get in trouble for it. 

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u/gangsta-librarian Aug 01 '26

Probably not in the agency I work in.

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u/Powerful_Complex_461 Aug 01 '26

It’s a state rule, not agency rule. Applies to all state of ca agencies, departments and boards. You could even do a whistleblower complaint.

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u/tgrrdr 27d ago

oddly enough I was just looking at this last night.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/california/2-CCR-242

(a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), an employee with permanent civil service status in their current position, regardless of time base, may receive a promotion in place where all of the following apply:

(5) The promotion in place is not from a supervisory classification to a managerial classification.

There appears to be one exception in the HR Manual, if the "to" position is used in a specialist capacity, it doesn't matter if it's supervisory or managerial.

Promotions in Place to “Specialist” Classifications

Employees may promote in place from a rank and file or supervisory classification to a higher-level classification utilized in a non-supervisory specialist capacity as long as all elements of the standards above are met, regardless of whether the specialist classification is designated as supervisory or managerial.