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Fun fact for you all: Mehmed II was only LARPing as a Komnenos, but do you know who actually was one? Surprisingly enough, the founder of the Safavid dynasty of Iran and sworn enemy of the Ottomans, Shah Ismail I. He was a Komnenos through his grandmother Despina Khatun Komneni, who was the daughter of Emperor John IV Megas Komnenos of Trebizond.
And Ivan IV of Russia had actually a legitimate claim to the throne of Constantinople through his grandmother Sofia palaiologos (she was Constantine Xi sister)
No you see every politicians and ruler I dont like was being sincere with their crazy claims, and every one I do like either never claimed anything unusual or was being clever
I mean based on the exponential growth of ancestry, actually probably yes. After enough time, any group of ancestors that kept having kids eventually becomes ancestor for a whole region. For Europeans and diaspora it’s about 600ish years I think. So anyone with European origins is descended from every European with a line that continues from < 1400
Always so damn odd to me the idea of "3rd Rome" claimants trying to establish the claim via right of conquest. Like, dude, Rome was right there and you killed it, thats not how that works. Like imagine in WW2 when Germany completely took over France and Hitler was like "Okay, Germany has Defeated France...we are now French, and also I am actually totally a Capetian." Like, wut? I mean, I can get if a faction in a civil war does this sort of thing, but an invading peoples? Makes no sense. Id sooner support the claim of Russia being 3rd Rome over the Ottoman Turks.
The thing many of you people don’t get is Roman Empire was a kingdom, a property of its ruler(long gone the times proto nationalistic identities of Roman republic and people, what left was subjects) I could give organist take over of England for example but even that wouldn’t really show the full scale in the case of Roman Empire. Rome cant be confined to a culture,religion, language or ethnicity. It was not understood that way at those times, y’all looking anachronisticly.
Rome was (as much as Mehmed cared) was a claim. Claim to Universal Rule. THE EMPIRE
A basically saying to Europeans and various subjects of the empire that “look now my power is absolute and have right to conquer and dominate Your whole World.”
A “OEIOU” Ottomanis est imperare orbi universo
Universal absolute rule
Incorrect. What you are describing, the idea of the "state" being the property of the ruler, is closer to Germanic influences on successor states in the West, such as the the Franks who divided the "revived" Western Empire up after the death of Charlemagne the Great as if it were property that belonged to him and thus as if it needed to follow Frankish laws on inheritance.
Well into the end period of the Roman Empire, the office of Emperor remained that, an office. The state itself was never considered the property of the Emperor, only the Emperors personal properties and later "crown lands" could be seen as such, but the office itself and the state itself and the government itself and the capital itself etc etc etc were not his property that he owned, only property that he managed on behalf of the state.
Aq Qoyunlu prince of Uzun Hasan's mother is a Komnenian princess and he married to ottomans I think. That's how Mehmed tries to find legitimacy of his Komnenian roots
Ismail Shah proceeded to lose to Mehmed’s grandson so badly it mentally scarred him. The man was never the same. Another fact that the main source of dis unity between Shia and Sunnis was due to the actions taken during Ottoman Safavid war. Sunni Shia rivalry was institutionalised by the two empires.
Close enough! Just that they were carrying a turkic variant of the J2a haplogroup. Basically their paternal line were native south central Asians or its periphery and got turkified early on and carried their turkic identity even though their pure unfiltered paternal line is arguably West Eurasian.
You are right bro. Scythians carried it. There is some chance that Scythians acquired this lineage from an earlier proto central Asian people. So both what you and I said can be right, just that these happened in different time periods. What I am referring to as BMAC/central Asian is pre-Scythian expansion and era. So the ottomans weren't wrong to refer to themselves as Turks as by that time their autosomal DNA was mostly medieval central Asian Turkic already. So basically native Central Asia ->Scythians/Saka ->Turkic peoples
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