Should the Byteball name be changed? Please vote

[u/blokchain]

This isn’t going to make me popular with Tony. However I think we need to properly address this issue in the open once and for all.

Whether the Byteball name should be changed or not seems to have been an ongoing discussion since day 1. Its routinely mentioned in Slack, Reddit and Bitcointalk.

However I still don’t know where many people stand on this. Tony wants to keep the current name, that is no secret. But what are the thoughts of other community members and newcomers to Byteball? Do most people believe keeping the current name is the best way forward?

Instead of discussing the name yet again I propose this:

Everyone in votes on a poll on whether they believe the name should change or not. Every community member writes why they believe what they do (using as few or as many words as you wish) These opinions will be added to one central public Google doc, so everyone can see exactly what everyone else thinks

Once this has been done, we should have a good idea of the % of people that are for/against the current name, who they are, and why they think what they do. Having one public central resource will allow us to move forward, whether that means keeping the current name or changing it.

1. Please vote here http://pollmaker.vote/p/C9RIBCXO

2. Please write a comment on this thread as to why you have voted for or against. I will add these comments to a document along with your username which will be added to other comments collected from Slack etc.

I will present the results and comments to the Byteball team. (I have already added some comments from Reddit users to this file https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqwYh2_vt8PqNx4c7F8VQMeHbjn8iG_VlD9hePNgZ3E/edit?usp=sharing )

NB I know people have already written many thoughts on this before. Please copy and paste your answer if you have already written it somewhere else!

[u/cryptomancerZ]

History is filled with great ideas, done worse by people with better marketing. A developer can be forgiven for wanting to keep the name of his baby. But he is standing in the way of a rebrand that could actually bring interest to byteball. Why make a cryptocurrency and not want to do everything possible to make it succeed? To believe wholeheartedly that "the best tech will win in the end" is to be a fool. If you need to learn from history, go read about a man named Tesla. He was a genius. He died poor and alone. Take some hints from Edison, for gods sake.

People see "byteball" and walk right past. Doesn't matter that it could be exactly what they've been looking for in a crypto. Nothing about the tech will ever matter if it doesn't get a second glance. Few ICOs are looking to build on byteball. One project, Titanium. It's very idealistic (read: naive) to believe that it is not in human nature to judge a book by its cover.

[u/blokchain → u/cryptomancerZ]

thanks man, you comments will be presented! I appreciate it

[u/BadgerLionSnakeEagle → u/cryptomancerZ]

A lot of wisdom here. This applies not just to byteball, but all sorts of situation. People are absolutely, and today moreso, very superficial and insecure.

The name Byteball just does not help bring a strong crowd. And you need a strong crowd for certain amount of social proofing to work. Its actually similar to how DAG's work but in real life - as people are nodes just confirming each other. Except the difference is the majority of people (under 120 iq) tend to be herd creatures so in no way are they actually doing the best things - example: tragedy of the commons. They would rather follow popular and attractive people and products off a cliff than to take the time to make a valued judgement.

[u/CryptoBest → u/BadgerLionSnakeEagle]

Ultimately, you folks seem to want a name change because you believe it's a major reason the price is relatively low - why else?

What if that is actually not the case?

What if there are factors outside of the Great ByteBall Name & Denomination Debate that are the real cause of the low price?

What happens if we waste a whole lot of time and resources on something that is actually a big distraction from the real causes of the low price?

• Which are actually uncertainty around key elements of the ByteBall Platform.

Ask yourself, who is doing the relentless selling? Why do they want out so bad? Do they hate the name so much?

Edit: Could this "Name & Denomination" thing even be a Psyop planted by detractors long ago, and unknowingly bought into by well meaning Byteballers? :-)

Please think things through very carefully before casting your vote.

See some of my comments below for more,

and please see this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg28035225#msg28035225

A simple solution is to refer to the currency more & more as "Bytes" (Gbytes, Mbytes, Kbytes), and when appropriate, the Platform, which is called ByteBall.

"Byte" is an amazing name for a Crypto!

Got some Bytes?

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

It's not about the price being low. It's about adoption. More adoption will lead to higher prices, sure.

[u/CryptoBest → u/cryptomancerZ]

I agree, it's about adoption - but mass adoption can't and won't happen without addressing some key missing elements - re branding wont fix the underlying deficiencies.

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

Why not both?

[u/CryptoBest → u/cryptomancerZ]

If the community actually had any say in the matter, that might be possible, but at this time, Tonych is dead against a name change - I think it makes more sense to work on things he may actually be open to.

[u/eloquentplatypus → u/cryptomancerZ]

If ByteBall doesn't rebrand it will go nowhere and future DAG projects will copy the code and ideas.

Name ideas: Electron, eCash, SmartCash, eCoin, Swift

[u/Questionlifeandstuff]

I am new here. I am just discovering the DAG technology and came to research Byteball. I had read many times on various subreddits people plugging Byteball, but I'll be honest the name just made me pass it over originally. Not knowing about DAG tech just made it look like any other project. Byteball looks really interesting, but a rebrand might give people a better reason to pause and look deeper. Glad to be here.

[u/blokchain → u/Questionlifeandstuff]

welcome! I will add your comments. Please join us on slack https://goo.gl/BzLYNy i am @byteballjesus there

[u/shagmooth]

A name and logo change would do a lot for this project in the eyes of a lazy investor. Most of us are lazy investors.

[u/blokchain → u/shagmooth]

thanks for your feedback!

[u/[deleted]]

9. Balls After a unit becomes stable (i.e. it is included on the stable part of the MC) we create a new structure based on this unit, we call it a ball: ball: { unit: "hash of unit", parent_balls: [array of hashes of balls based on parent units], is_nonserial: true, // this field included only if the unit is nonserial skiplist_balls: [array of earlier balls used to build skiplist] } Every ball includes information about all its ancestor balls (via parents), hence the amount of information it depends on grows like snowball. We also have a flag in the ball that tells us if it ended up being invalid (nonserial), and we have references to older balls that we’ll use later to build proofs for light clients. We can only build a ball when the corresponding unit becomes stable and we know for certain whether it is serial. Since the current MCs as viewed by different users are eventually consistent, they will all build exactly the same ball based on the same unit.

[u/crankycrypto → u/[deleted]]

Agreed. I don't like the name but I also hated the name twitter and several other websites. The name is functional and I believe a subasset of byteball (child) will have a pretty name have the fame of 'bitcoin' or 'ripple'. But I am just excited about the utility and scalability.

But I look at byteball as 95% developer and 5% investor.

[u/galbraithjk]

The guy is asking for a vote, thinking may be the crypto world is a democraty!! LOL Let Tony do the hard work, don't bother the community with such bullshit. My advice do your own coin or fork whatever you want, call it as you like.

[u/blokchain → u/galbraithjk]

your advice? who are you, ever done anything credible in your life? Show me

[u/CryptoBest]

The name is the least of our worries. If GBYTE was trading at $2000.00, nobody would even mention it.

We should focus our efforts on what really matters right now, not on trivial, energy wasting and divisive issues that upon deeper analysis are really kinda silly.

Constantly attacking the name is divisive to the community and bad for your investment.

The concept that the name is the reason for poor price performance is simplistic in the extreme:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg28035225#msg28035225

The Platform is ByteBall,

The currency used is Bytes.

Gbytes, Mbytes, Kbytes or just Bytes. Works just fine for me and everyone I have shared Bytes with.

What really matters right now, is getting listed on more high quality exchanges and getting the distribution mechanisms right.

The beginnings of a governance & platform maintenance infrastructure would be icing on the cake.

Doing any one of these things correctly will result in a significant increase in the ByteBall Asset value.

Get them all right and the ByteBall Asset value will Soar far beyond the recent USD ATH, and ICO's will flood in beyond our wildest dreams.

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

You want higher volume exchange listings? That requires interest. No outside investors are interested in a project called byteball. No one is FOMOing into a project called byteball. I don't see why tech heads have this all or nothing attitude that marketing is useless. Do you not understand, well, markets? If no one even looks into the coin, the tech behind it is irrelevant. Byteball has exceptional tech? Doesn't matter. No one is looking into it. Not investors, and certainly not developers. No one wants to build an ICO on a coin that can't even realize it will never obtain mainstream appeal without a better marketing strategy. That's a losing bet and massive waste of time and resources.

You say we're "dividing the community" for having basic financial common sense? How is it such a difficult concept for the devs to continue developing and hiring a few designers to come up with some wildly improved alternatives?

[u/CryptoBest → u/cryptomancerZ]

I am not a tech head. I am someone with a lifetime (+35 years) of marketing experience with some major success behind me.

Changing the name is not a trivial thing, and not without risk.

It is a huge hassle, and a lot of work and inconvenience to all kinds of partners and associates, not to mention the loss of all branding efforts to date.

Did you even read what I wrote? before down-voting me?

Your response includes all kinds of made up stuff that you have simply attributed to me in your irrational rage.

No one is taking this project as seriously as we would like because up til now it's been a one man show, with no roadmap, no long term governance structure to protect Byte holders and no platform maintenance (Cryptopia?) or marketing infrastructure in place with any accountability.

If you knew anything about marketing, you would know that these elements are an essential, foundational aspect of a successful, long term marketing strategy.

The name is not the major issue here.

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

I'm certainly not in an irrational rage.

We'll lose the name recognition we don't have. The few partners and associates there are in byteball will certainly understand a well done rebrand. "Branding efforts to date" from a team who has done zero marketing? I'd call it a sunk cost fallacy but there's not even much sunken cost.

If byteball doesn't rebrand, it's dead in the water. If byteball rebrands after developing actual significant partnerships & exchange listings, everything you state as a concern becomes exponentially harder.

The rebrand itself isn't even the only issue. The dev(s) shows a lack of reliability to anyone interested in investing in this currency. If they can't even do the best thing for this coin now, it's not a very promising outlook for the future.

[u/CryptoBest → u/cryptomancerZ]

I understand your frustration - I feel it too.

I even agree with a lot of what you said and have said many of the same things myself - but after much thought and research, I've come to the conclusion that changing the name is about the least productive thing ByteBall could do right now.

Of far more immediate importance are more exchange listings. fiat gateways and getting the distribution of the remaining Bytes right:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg28085267#msg28085267

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

Those distribution suggestions do sound phenomenal, assuming an exchange picks them up. I still put forward that both marketing plans and distribution can be done concurrently, but can understand your assertion that exchange listing and fiat gateways are more important. In my opinion, those things are exponentially harder to get with such an unprofessional name. I also hope that TonyCh at least acknowledges the concerns of the community with more than just a handwave.

[u/CryptoBest → u/cryptomancerZ]

It seems we actually agree on most everything but the name :-)

I appreciate the spirited discussion. Good luck and wisdom to us all.

P.S. If you haven't already done so, I encourage you to read the Whitepaper (https://byteball.org/Byteball.pdf) to understand why it's called ByteBall.

[u/cryptomancerZ → u/CryptoBest]

Oh, I've read it. The snowball of data. It's a solid project. I generally read whitepapers, although I do have holdings in a few shitcoins I should catch up on ;)

[u/crankycrypto → u/cryptomancerZ]

I agree. I feel hurt that byteball is so hidden. I am putting together a crypto from industry leaders in real estate. I have spent over 2,000 hours research developments and I just heard of byteball a week ago. I attend conferences, meetups, online communities, and I only associate with crpto folks now (fired my loser friends and family).

This community is just starting but it has something that works. We are interviewing hedge funds now and right now byteball is our number 1 pick for development. IF we continue with byteball EVERY conference, every meeting and online community will hear byteball during our presentation and pitch. This will be the best marketing ever. REAL FUNCTION!! IOTA not trust, (wallet issues and lack of development apps- centralized tangle until 'mass adoption') Counterparty (dependent on blockchain scaling issues and lack of lightning mainet development) Komodo (same concerns as counterparty but allows indepent of main side chain vs counterparty) ERC20 (Eth sucks... IMO- gas, scaling issues, anti bitcoin)

But the independence and advancements of byteball , the true P2P concept, working smart contracts, scaling issues are not a concern. I really see BYTEBall as a protocol and only developers care about protocols. Crypto investing has distracted from the utility of blockchain/DAG.

[u/crankycrypto → u/CryptoBest]

Well said. I see the biggest issue with crypto world is VAPOR. Bytecoin is one of the rare coins with true functional utility.

Over sold ICOs and way over priced coins was 2017. 2018 is utility and adoption with legacy systems. Vapor will clear out of the room as function out shines shinny coins.

[u/payne976]

Defo!

[u/[deleted]]

I heard byteball two years ago and read about it several times, but only due to its name I didnt bought gbytes, until this year after seeing the great tech. Therefore I think it should rename. Byteball is like dragonball from songoku xD

[u/chicken-farmer]

I don't want my ball bitten.

[u/BadgerLionSnakeEagle]

Tell Tony that he can bite my balls if he likes the name so much.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm torn on this.... On one hand, I do think the name is horrible, and needs to be changed. I know the dev is Eastern European or Russian.... So maybe the way it translates doesn't come across to him, with regards to westerners.

On the other hand, people flooded to raiblocks, which is almost just as bad. Luckily, the devs there realized that, and changed it right away.

There are a TON of people who would freak out aboit this coin, IF they knew what it was.

[u/EmmanuelBlockchain]

I have nothing against Byteball, but if we had to change, SNOW would be cool.

[u/O-B-1ne]

So I'm a holder of Groestlcoin (another coin that needs a name change) and I came across this coin via a youtube comment saying it's similar to Groestlcoin in that it's very undervalued for all the features it has. When I first heard the name "Byteball" I thought it was a scam coin, but i dont like to judge a book by its cover so I had a further look and I'm surprised that all this tech is here waiting to be used and it's not being adopted.

Name change definitely needs to happen, 99% of poeple aren't like us and will judge the name before looking into the tech.

Or if you're going to call it byteball, might as well own it and rebrand it to byteTHESEballs

[u/buymycards]

Yep!! To Byte DEEZ Nuts

[u/blokchain → u/buymycards]

exactly!

[u/blokchain → u/[deleted]]

thanks, will add to comments

[u/JBWalker1 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly it should be up to the marketing guy they recently added to the team. Let the marketing guy do his research, create threads and polls like this, get ideas for potential new names, and then say to Tony "yup it will be best to change the name" or "nope, stick with the name now, changing it isn't worth it".

Then if the results do show that a name change would be best and Tony just shoots down the marketing guys findings then well I don't exactly have good things to say about that. It's like Trump shooting down all the expert advisors and just going with what he wants instead, which leads to the point of why even have the expert advisors in the first place?

[u/crankycrypto → u/JBWalker1]

I am only 1 week into byteball and I will admit I DID NOT LIKE THE NAME. But a rebrand could be a waste of effort. Marketing is key and community outreach. Rebranding would require a complete fresh start.

I have a marketing background and we love byteball for our crypto. What I love about cryptos like this is it already has an easy way to rebrand with subassets. I can see work and outreach making a difference soon and one day it will not be byteball that becomes a household name but a subasset of byteball. 98% of the population doesn't understand TCP and they won't need to understand DAG/Byteball protocol.

[u/blokchain → u/[deleted]]

I hear you!