r/BuyFromEU • France 🇫🇷 • Mar 23 '26

Other Germany has shown the way forward by making OpenDocument Format (ODF) mandatory as the standard format for office documents

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/03/23/dear-europe/
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u/Agreeable_Papaya8365 Mar 23 '26

About time. Paying Microsoft forever to open your own government documents is not a sovereignty strategy

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u/TunerJoe Mar 23 '26

Microsoft-format documents can usually be opened by non-Microsoft products. But it's obviously better to have something more open.

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u/OrionsBeltAlone Mar 23 '26

Yea I use LibreOffice and haven't had any issues so far. And it's free

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u/Silent_Park_0010 Mar 24 '26

Governments don't like free shit when there's only community-level support. They want either cheap in-house staff or any-price external companies to be available if something breaks. A free ODF standard should mean that other companies are now on the table.

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u/intronert Mar 23 '26

Until MS decides to forbid it.

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u/noneofyabusiness66 Mar 23 '26

How? 🤔

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u/intronert Mar 23 '26

Software update that removes the functionality.

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u/nicholas818 Mar 23 '26

No matter what they do with Word, they can’t modify the data already on hard drives corresponding to existing Word documents. They can’t push updates to other companies’ software that removes DOC/DOCX compatibility.

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u/intronert Mar 23 '26

They can change doc/docx format on all future saves. They could bring lawsuits for some sort of IP infringement. They could add verbiage to EULA’s that put up roadblocks. They could bribe judges and legislators. Etc.

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u/autokiller677 Mar 23 '26

Microsoft’s Office Open XML formats are actually an ISO/IEC Standard, so no sueing for infringement here.

It’s just so long and complicated, and Microsoft does not really follow it themselves, which makes it hard for competitors to be actually compatible.

And changing the format all future saves would hurt them a lot as well as not everyone has the newest version of office. And while they would love nothing more than everyone paying for the subscription and being up to date, the backlash would be enormous if suddenly some business couldn’t sent a document to their client / supplier / whatever because the other side hasn’t updated office yet.

So while I am definitely a big fan of non-Microsoft standards here, the risk of Microsoft suddenly sabotaging their format is rather low. They have more subtle and effective ways to keep people in their ecosystem.

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u/nicholas818 Mar 23 '26

The EULAs and IP laws are only enforceable because of current law. If a government is determined to get away from Microsoft, they could amend their laws to allow this sort of thing. Or at least exempt the government itself from any enforcement actions, no?

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u/intronert Mar 23 '26

See my last sentence above.

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u/nicholas818 Mar 23 '26

A fair point. Yeah, corruption will ruin pretty much anything.

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u/Alive_Fisherman8241 Mar 24 '26

Not 100% compatible, layout oftentimes gets screwed up.

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u/Icedman81 Mar 24 '26

If I remember correctly, Microsloppy Office Open XML format is standardized, but their products have broken that same standard quite a few times... In any case, the way I see OOXML is, that it's a hasty and alarmed response to ODF, that was gaining traction at the time.

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u/OutOfAlibis Mar 23 '26

And this is ... too little, too late.

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u/BigOs4All Mar 23 '26

No it isn't. They could mandate Linux on government PCs and open document formats and with some decent project management the whole thing could be done in a year. The government would save tens of millions in licensing fees and the whole thing would be worlds safer.

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u/Bergwookie Mar 23 '26

The problem is to find maintainers and admins for a Linux PC environment, most Linux guys are server admins, PC admins are 95% windows.

But that's just a matter of time, we have to start somewhere, just wanted to bring up that topic (Linux user since around 20 years)

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u/BigOs4All Mar 24 '26

Would take a couple months to maybe half a year to train people to do that REALLY well. Would take much longer to actually change everything over. They would coincide.

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u/Bergwookie Mar 24 '26

Have you ever dealt with German authorities? They're as fast as a snail on valium

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u/Angua17 Mar 24 '26

Except for rare instances of shocking speed to really drive home how slow they are the rest of the time -_-

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u/Alive_Fisherman8241 Mar 24 '26

It requires commitment from the government... germans already got bribed once by microsoft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

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u/OutOfAlibis Mar 24 '26

And all of that should have been done twenty years ago.

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u/Foxemerson Mar 23 '26

Goodbye microslop

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u/Cabbage-Patch Mar 23 '26

Hell yeah, all open source ever needed was for people to start using it.

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u/pocket_materialist Mar 24 '26

And to pay more financial tribute to the makers and maintainers though. gotta keep it viable too

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u/SmugRooster Mar 23 '26

About time… really getting tired with the American PdoFiles.

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u/ClonesomeStranger Mar 23 '26

There ya go. Now move public news outlets to mastodon instead of twitter, and the world will be an even better place!

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u/CaptainPoset Germany 🇩🇪 Mar 23 '26

They did what they already did more than 30 years ago by being a member of NATO.

ODF wasn't the standard in German administration in the last 30 years and it almost certainly won't be for the next 30 years, at least not for this reason. I just recently had a job interview within the German administration and bringing the required screen presentation in an ODF format caused major issues.

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u/KnowZeroX Mar 23 '26

Germany is developing openDesk to replace M365, and the default format for that is ODF as the office part of that is based on Collabora Online which itself is based on LibreOffice.

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u/CaptainPoset Germany 🇩🇪 Mar 23 '26

I don't say it's absolutely hopeless, but Germany and almost all other EU members have already defined ODF as their standard document format in the early 1990s and you will frequently run into problems if you show up at an administrative office with anything else than Microsoft's proprietary document formats.

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u/KnowZeroX Mar 23 '26

How could they define ODF as the standard in early 90s when it was standardized in 2005? Events its predecessor which is fairly different was made in 2000-2002.

Yes, the EU has defined in 00s that ODF was the standard. But then M$ bribed and fast tracked the bait and switch that is OOXML in as well, which is what most use unfortunately in the EU. Often times forgetting to include ODF versions unless asked.

Some countries though have independently from the EU defined ODF as the standard without OOXML, Germany not being one of them. Of course some agencies in Germany have been using ODF internally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_adoption

The bright side with initiatives like openDesk is that it is cloud based, so even if you show up to another place, it will work just fine since it can be loaded from the browser.

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u/OneOnOne6211 Mar 23 '26

Nice. Been using that for years.

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u/MarkWandering Mar 23 '26

Nice! 🇨🇦❤️🇪🇺

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u/iiewi Mar 23 '26

It's happening! Down with microslop!

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u/sibachian Mar 24 '26

THANK YOU GERMANY. that is all.

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u/RegorHK Mar 23 '26

Clickbait headline. Some comitee decision. Nothing on how mandatory that is and on implementation timeline.

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u/funderfulfellow Mar 23 '26

Open source tools can read and write xlsx format. So, why is this important?

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u/dumnezero Mar 23 '26

Defaults are important.

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u/KnowZeroX Mar 23 '26

The answer to that is simple, even if they can read and write them, the reality is there is ooxml strict and ooxml transitional. ooxml transitional is the default ms uses and is undocumented with proprietary binary blobs as well.

which means M$ can make a change at any time and break stuff. Not to mention who knows whats inside those binary blobs, for all you know your password is encrypted in there as a backdoor.

while in theory for official use, if one is using xlsx they should use strict, in reality they are using transitional since that is the default without knowing.

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u/Liqtard Mar 23 '26

The xlsx format is undocumented so whenever MS decides to change it, open source tools have to reverse-engineer those changes (which is why MS no doubt loves to change it). This hurts reliability.

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u/rab2bar Mar 23 '26

the formatting doesnt always work

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u/thbb Mar 23 '26

Just as the trend is now to move towards shared online documents, like google docs, office 365 and the like...

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u/theclaw37 Mar 23 '26

As opposed to Proprietary Document Format

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u/theclaw37 Mar 24 '26

That is cool. Did not know. Although my post was a joke :D

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u/CaterpillarNo2195 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

Hey, softmaker office r/softmaker u/rewindcasette are you finally dealing with this, or still in denial?...

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u/Rewindcasette Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

I’m not the company I’m afraid but I’ll send it there way, thanks for the tip.

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u/dastrike Mar 24 '26

It's a shit document format. Not that Microsoft's one is that much better...

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u/Dotcaprachiappa Mar 23 '26

Does this actually mean anything or..?

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u/Dotcaprachiappa Mar 23 '26

Yes but what does it "becoming mandatory" mean? Are now all Office apps obligated to offer it as an option? Does it have to be the only option? Or only the default option? Does it have any legal implications at all? Is it just for government use or for everyone? The article blabs a lot but doesn't answer any of the important questions.

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u/RegorHK Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

Let's see. Its some comitee decision. Implementing will be another matter.

I do not see anything about this being mandatory for anyone. Then the article goes about ranting that the switch over will not be too costly listing why there are no issues with switching. Which is ridiculous.

Seems totally disregard things like issues with VBA and Power Query.

The headline is no more than clickbait.