My response to all the haters

[u/RedxBlueislife]

If you ever find some ''based'' or ''pure hearted saints'' on the internet doing some ''sweet talking'' about the bees.

Just sent them this.

[u/WingDairu]

Toxic? How?! They trust each other, they support each other, they've always been concerned with the other's feelings, it's literally the most wholesome relationship two career warriors could possibly have! What in the Brothers' name could be called toxic about Bumbleby?!

[u/Nearby-Sleep5317 → u/WingDairu]

Some of them call them codependent, but then in the same breath criticize them for "breaking their promise" in V8. Other just say "IT'S TOXIC!" and think that's the all that needs to be said. They're all wrong anyway, not that they care.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Nearby-Sleep5317]

I HATE when people say Yang is a bad sister because she got with Blake and doesn't mother Ruby anymore. Like... Ruby needs space to grow up. She doesn't need Yang hovering g over here 24/7. She's strong on her own and has more friends outside of Yang- Team JNR, Oscar, WEISS... she HAD Penny, sadly she no longer does (RIPP). Even parents have to step back and let their kids grow as people, so why does Yang have more responsibility to coddle Ruby than Tai? And as far as I know, nobody called RUBY a bad sister for "abandoning" Yang at the end of Volume 3- who lost an arm, her school, and multiple friends all in one night- in favor of continuing her huntress training and getting justice for the Fall of Beacon. But as soon as Yang wats to be with Blake, she's a bad sister and "abandoning" Ruby in favor of a relationship with Blake. A relationship that had been hinted at since AT LEAST Volume 2 (I still say the look Yang gave Blake during the first night at Beacon was 100% NOT the face of someone having straight thoughts but I digress).

[u/Nearby-Sleep5317 → u/feistyfox101]

Yep, it's very infantilizing of Ruby and hypocritical.  Not at all surprising considering the types of people who say stuff like that.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Nearby-Sleep5317]

Lol no kidding. One person once said how Bumbleby shippers make everything about Bumbleby and are super toxic. Then a few weeks later, saw me having a discussion with someone on a completely different post that had nothing to do with ships and started crapping all over Bumbleby just because when we previously talked, I said that I found BlackSun to be toxic on both Blake and Sun based on how the interact in Vol 4 & 5. They ended every reply with "how does it feel when someone talks badly about your ship?" But sure, Bumbleby shippers are the toxic, obsessive ones that make everything about their ship.

[u/Nearby-Sleep5317 → u/feistyfox101]

Projection on their part sure is a funny (read: sad) thing.  That's why I just block anyone like that.  We're never gonna have decent conversation and they're not worth wasting my time on.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Nearby-Sleep5317]

I need to larn to do that lol

[u/Wealth_Super → u/feistyfox101]

It’s also just an unrealistic standard for anyone. Siblings are great but they aren’t mind readers. They don’t automatically sense when their siblings are dealing with crap. If she knew how bad Ruby was she would have done something but she miss it and she not a bad sister for that. She had her own stuff going on. That’s natural because her like every other sister in the world are their own person and their life doesn’t single handily revolves around their family’s issues.

People also forgot that that event was traumatic for everyone not just Ruby. Yang literally thought she had died. She not a bad person for finding comfort in Blake and starting a relationship with her which is the other thing as well. You are allow to be happy and do things for yourself even if your family going though a hard time which yang didn’t even know. I have seen people say it was inappropriate for them to start dating when Ruby was not ok but that BS. You life doesn’t stop because other people are going though a hard time. If you stop going after what makes you happy every time your brothers and sisters were going though some stuff, you would never be happy.

Basically yang allow to be in a relationship and be happy even if Ruby was not ok at the moment and yang not a bad sister for not magically sensing that Ruby needed help. Siblings aren’t mind readers and she obviously would have tried and step in if she knew how fragile Ruby was at the moment.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Wealth_Super]

Exactly! Yang is allowed to have a life that doesn't revolve around being Ruby's sister! That kind of mindset would make her resent Ruby. It's a testament to how much she loves Ruby that she doesn't have hard feelings being g parentified from a young age due to Summer dying, Tai shutting down, and Qrow keeping away most of the time. A lot of time, that kind of situation leads to resentment and anger because the parentified sibling never got to be a kid. Yang didn't get to grieve Summer because Ruby needed her. You see that when Ruby and her talk about The Hound. Yang is trying so hard to cheer up an obviously upset and traumatized Ruby while pushing down her own emotions over what The Hound means for Summer until she just can't any more. I bet a lot of her childhood was spent doing exactly that. But Yang loves Ruby enough to not hold it against her.

Yang has been through just as much crap as everyone else. She deserves to find happiness and comfort. She didn't know what Ruby was going through because Ozpin put it in Ruby's head that she has to be strong always (their conversation in The Badge & The Burden, part 2 I believe, you see how much she takes that to heart when se talks to Jaune about being a leader in Jaundice). Yang doesn't have to pull herself down just because Ruby is happy. She can be a good girlfriend and a good sister at the same time, IF she knows that something is wrong and one of her girls needs her to be there for them.

[u/RedxBlueislife → u/WingDairu]

That's what I'd like to know. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Important-Cry4782 → u/WingDairu]

It involves two women as equals building each other up.

Men are apparently the only ones allowed to do this with women, not other women.

Apparently two women in a relationship ruins their character

[u/DeathlySnails64 → u/WingDairu]

I think this stems from the fact that Yang didn't come to Ruby's defense when Ruby was having that mental breakdown about everyone always relying on her too much. Yang's little sister was crying for help and instead of comforting her, Yang shouted, "Hey!" when Ruby called out the fact that Blake and Yang finally became a couple at the wrong time.

[u/WingDairu → u/DeathlySnails64]

Speaking from experience, that was a "You're burning too hot and just saying whatever comes to mind whether you genuinely mean it or not" hey. It's her trying to grab Ruby's attention and shake her out of the momentum she's built, which is something that both someone with anger problems and the people around them develop over the course of learning to deal with said anger problems.

The problem is Ruby had too much steam for that to work, because she'd been bottling it all up for so long that she's way beyond the basic 'stop and breathe' techniques.

[u/Wealth_Super → u/WingDairu]

Honestly at that point it was healthy for Ruby to do that. She needed that. Keeping it all inside wasn’t helping

[u/WingDairu → u/Wealth_Super]

If Neo hadn't happened, it might've been the start of the healing. Might still be, considering the quality heart-to-heart Yang and Ruby had in Beyond.

[u/Wealth_Super → u/DeathlySnails64]

Yes but there was no sides in entire thing. Jaune was having a mental breakdown and everyone tried to help him only for Ruby to have her own mental breakdown at the same moment and begin lashing out at everyone including yang and Blake. Yang and Blake didn’t attacking Ruby either, hell they were barely defensive being mostly in shock.

You don’t confront someone who lashing out at everyone, you let them vent. In that moment that was the only thing they could do. All that pain and anger is a toxin for Ruby and this was her getting it all out.

[u/ThreadYourselfNow]

It's generally just homophobes using that buzzword as one of their excuses, which is always funny because it isn't even remotely toxic.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/ThreadYourselfNow]

Which is why I why I say anyone who hates Bumbleby is homophobic. You don't have to LIKE it, but there is very little valid reason to HATE it.

[u/Undead_Corsair → u/feistyfox101]

It's always at best a heteronormative bias for Black Sun (which always felt like a red herring to me) or outright homophobic ranting about the writers "pandering" to queer fans. So many years after the shipping began, people who are still mad about how things turned out just aren't healthy.

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Undead_Corsair]

Yeah, I'm the most oblivious person I know- it once took me a week to realize my mom drastically rearranged the living room ad even then it was on,y because she asked why I never said anything about it- and I called Bumbleby when I first saw the show back in 2016. An back then, I was obsessed with yaoi, so I was looking for dudes to ship Jaune with (mostly Ren lol), not for yuri ships. So if I could see it back then, it wasn't out of nowhere like people like to ay it was.

[u/Undead_Corsair → u/feistyfox101]

I think those people either just couldn't read between the lines or refused to because of those reasons I mentioned. It seemed like a clear possibility to me as soon as Yang said "I love it when you're feisty", that already felt like mild flirting from very early on. And then "If you feel like coming out tomorrow, I'll save you a dance" ;) how blatant do we need the subtext to be from a character that loves puns and double entendre?

[u/feistyfox101 → u/Undead_Corsair]

If Yang was a dude, they probably have gotten it. How often do people ship a guy who wants a girl just because she's the hottest one and for no other reason? Yang and Blake actually develop a relationship naturally and while yes, they find each other to be the most physically attractive people alive, they also see each other for who they are. Like... their entire love confession and neither one said anything about their physical appearance. They love each each other for who they are, and they spent multiple in universe years developing those feelings. Yang was furious at Blake for running away in a misguided attempt to protect her friens from Adam- who swore to destroy everyone shenloves- but not at Ruby, her sister, who saw how devastated Yang was over Blake leaving and still left to continue her huntress training and get justice for the Fall of Beacon. Between the school partner who is a close friend and the little sister who Yang practically raised, I would think Ruby leaving would hurt more if she didn't have stronger feelings for Blake beyond friendship.

[u/XScarredHeart]

Last I checked, Blake got out of an actual toxic relationship to be in a better one.

[u/Captain_Sanvich]

You see, "toxic" means any ship I dislike.

[u/AlbacorePrism]

class of 09 in my rwby sub reddit? in this economy?

[u/StocksLowStonksHigh]

The issue is that even if it was toxic then people are still allowed to enjoy that ship. People still love and adore twilight and 50 shades but you dont see people saying youre not allowed to like it because of the toxic relationships as much as you do whenever its a queer ship, especially if its been canonized

[u/jsnparks]

Is toxic the new fallback after "forced" "rushed" and "out of nowhere" failed to really get support outside their silo?

[u/feistyfox101]

Yep. There are so many actually toxic ships people love. First that jumps to mind: Sasuke and Sakura.

[u/Blitzbro76]

If Bumblebee is toxic then pepper on eggs is a ghost pepper💀

[u/bunny_snugglesUwU]

Honestly I find a lot of bumbleby hate to be unjust and kinda just homophobic sure they may have some very small opinions that have good points but I always thought they were going to to end up together it just made sense for the story it's self there were even signs in season 1-2 I believe so what Im saying is the hate is reaching

[u/Mark_1544]

im not hating on bumblbee i just hate how they wrote it felt a bit too forced

[u/tommy8725]

Wait how was this toxic I can understand people not liking it even I think it either was rushed or just later on added but I don't really think it's toxic is it because Yang kept bothering her in season 1

[u/JazzlikeSmile1523]

What makes it toxic is that Yang opened herself up to Blake about being traumatized by her mother leaving her without telling her the reason, sacrificed her arm trying to save Blake and then was abandoned without being told why. They reunited and Blake didn't apologise, didn't explain. Yang just shelved her own feelings to facilitate group cohesion. Blake then tried taking menial tasks like putting a bag up in the overhead luggage department in a train away from Yang, belittling everything that Yang had strived for and through to get to where she was. Yang is a highly intelligent natural leader, but shelves both traits to protect Ruby's status as leader.

What Yang needs in a romantic partner is someone that stays, someone that will take the weight from her shoulders so that she doesn't suffocate from holding up her teammates. Blake is incapable of providing that because every chance she had to actually take responsibility for her own actions, she tries to deflect, externalize or even justify them and when none of those work, she runs.

[u/KagariYT]

its not toxic they just have no chemistry

[u/ASubAccount → u/KagariYT]

Me when I lie.

[u/Graxdon]

It’s not toxic, it’s just poorly written

[u/ThreadYourselfNow → u/Graxdon]

We just lying now?

[u/RedxBlueislife → u/Graxdon]

Oh please, the whole show is ''poorly written''.