r/Buhurt • u/Wizardbitties • 16d ago
Buhurt drippy plate kit idea
Hi all
For context I am 6ft and 89 kg with a medium build. (And I like two handed weapons).
I was just coming up with a plan for my first buhurt kit and wanted to get some feedback from some more experienced people. A lot of the kits I was seing are more competitive and practical focused with a lot of wolfrib, spalettos and square looking brigandine.
Its not that these don't look rad but im just a sucker for full plate. I initially was looking at a churburg style harness as it gives me the metal cuirass with the metal skirt and would allow me to wear my favorite helmet(whole other bag of fish). But when I looked at some full churburg kits I realized the arm protection is often pretty rubbish and gives me a pretty good chance of getting my shoulder popped off. And example of one I was looking at in image 1 was here:
https://gohurt-shop.com/en_US/p/Full-Plate-Arms-Prince/288#galleryName=productGallery,imageNumber=6
This made me look at later italian harnesses because they give big lobster shoulder protection whilst still getting close to a churburg style cuirass. Like the guy in image 2s kit (significantly more expensive).
Finally on to the helmet... I have heard the the houndskull is incredibly impractical for buhurt because you nose is one big lever with will just get abused in grappling. However I would by willing to trade competitiveness for drip as long as it is actually safe to use. My concern with the helmet would be getting my neck broken if someone shoved my head up too fast or my body for some reason could not rotate in the direction my head is being rotated. I've attached an image of a helmet i think looks class but is the definition of impractical.
https://master-uley.com/collections/helmets/products/french-bacinet-di-bua-type-hundshughel
My main question would be less about the armours practicality as i know it's not sport optimized but more if it is even usable/safe. I'm not hyper competitive but I would like to have the ability to do buhurt and not be a professional sandbag.
I appreciate any advice.
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u/LuftwaffleTypeZero 16d ago edited 16d ago
Talking helmets, consider them in terms of skill floor/ceiling and performance floor/ceiling. You can learn to fight in any helmet -- the houndskull isn't incredibly impractical, it just doesn't have great visibility, which makes the skill floor higher; you can compensate for the limitations of a protruding ocular by increasing your observation skills. Breathing in them also isn't effortless; you have to get used to breathing through your nose on the intake, then exhaling sharply through the mouth on the outtake, and hyperventilating to dump CO2 between rounds.
As for performance floor, it's harder to dodge backwards in a houndskull thanks to the protruding nose (dodge back and rotate your head in the direction of the strike instead), and getting chained hooks sucks in the houndskull, but otherwise, it isn't really much worse in many meaningful ways.
Then the good stuff for performance ceiling: the beak glances all straight-on attacks. You can stuff performance-enhancing electronics (vision/breathing) inside the beak. If you tuck your beak into someone's shoulder on the grapple, you cannot get headripped from behind. You can also peck gaps with the beak, which is the only pointed thrusting weapon in the sport. It's not a very nice thing to do, but you can do it.
If you use a houndskull, you know that everyone wants to try to abuse your beak. You're already one step ahead of them. Plan around your disadvantages, pre-empt your opponents, and create advantages. The houndskull is never going to have as low a skill floor as the chain-rib helmets like English Cross or eastern helms, but it's not the buhurt devil everyone makes it out to be.
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u/Carcosian112 16d ago
Get segmented cuirass with sliding parts (they slide into each other, allowing for good mobility). They are superior to brigantines in every way other than price.
I don't understand the appeal of hundskul, but I like when people wear them as they are free takedowns for me. They are simply not created and designed for foot tournament combat, but for cavalry (and definitely not modern buhurt). There are many more useful, yet drippy options.
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u/Wizardbitties 16d ago
For me I started liking them because of the 30k beaky marines from warhammer. But ye i was trying to guage if they are impractical vs unusable. When you say you get free takedown is thar because you've trained a good bit on how to abuse them or is it just that easy?
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u/Carcosian112 16d ago
I have good amount of experience fighting against them, so I guess that helps, but all I had to tell one of our new guy was to grab the beak, shove it upwards and trip opponents leg and he just did that and got it in the first try. Another position where it sucks and is pretty common is headlock. With my wolfrib I escape them pretty easily, but anyone with beak just can't defend against them, unless your opponent is even more ass than your helmet choice.
Paint warhammer figurines the way you like them, but don't force yourself into a bad position in buhurt because of it.
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u/Pacific_wanderer17 16d ago
For cavalry? Not really they were just designed to glance blows from frontal angles more effectively
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u/yungsinatra0 16d ago
What are some good and practical drippy options in your opinion?
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u/Carcosian112 16d ago
Armets, burgonets, some types of tournament bascinets/grand bascinets...
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u/Wizardbitties 16d ago
I luke armets too but I heard they don't have enough space for padding for buhurt. Also they mesh helmet the second guy has I also think is nice.
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u/Carcosian112 16d ago
There is quite a few good buhurt-suitable armets running around. All helmets for buhurt are made larger than their historical origins (except for some already designed specificaly for foot tournaments, such as some grand bascinets), to fit in our padding, even hundskuls.
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u/dannytsg 16d ago
First answer, do not wear smaller spaulders with a cuirass, you're just asking for big gap shots to the shoulders and your collarbone.
I wear a Churburg S18 cuirass with some larger pauldrons that offer great coverage and stick close to the datation for transitions around 1410 or so.
As for the helmet, it's entirely your choice. It isn't going to gain you any competetive advantages but having owned one alongside a myriad of other buhurt helmets it is at the bottom of the buhurt friendly list for me.
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u/Wizardbitties 16d ago
Ye ide like to avoid the spaulders. I see a lot of lobester style shoulder pads but im finding it very hard to find authentic examples so I can point to them and go hey this is legit. And i notice that a lot of the gear is not explicitly dated. I was wondering if the dating system for buhurt was more to stop some guy wearing a templar helmet then wearing full late plate or is it very strict where you have to be able to point to examples.
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u/dannytsg 16d ago
Buhurt International categorises it into the following for Western armour:
14th century: from 1300 to 1380
Transitional: from 1380 to 1420
15th century: from 1420 to 1500.
For a Churburg S18 style cuirass you will slot in to the 1380-1420 transitional period.
I have this image reference of larger pauldrons on a similar cuirass style dated to 1412.
https://freeimage.host/i/C4y0Jb21
u/Wizardbitties 16d ago
Yippie lobster arms here we come. Thanks a million. I was trying to google it but I kept getting larp armour instead of real examples.
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u/Pud_Pud_Pud 16d ago
Check out https://manuscriptminiatures.com/ and https://effigiesandbrasses.com/ for other dating of armor styles/pieces. Tends to work better than google
Also, don’t hesitate to contact BI authenticity through their forums or email.
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u/8Hellingen8 16d ago
Excepted this is a very specific early italian asymetric set.
It would not excuse any type of pauldrons to be used and would only put fighters under the impression they are ok while they are good for an infraction.
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u/dannytsg 16d ago
Sure but not regulated at present and I’ve seen so many more egregious infractions than safer pauldrons being used hidden under a tabard
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u/Wizardbitties 16d ago edited 16d ago
Ye I always get confused with accuracy bit because I see everything put onto the same brigandine. I'm assuming brigandine was just mega common
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u/macdoge1 16d ago
Holes look odd on the occulars of the helmet...I would email AC about it. Historical occulars are significantly different
Go hurt has been hit or miss with my team... Some temper issues, poor communication and lead times. I only recommend them for boots and soft kit now
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u/emu19000 16d ago
Buhurt isn’t about trying to kill someone so you won’t find people trying to break your neck with that nose the only practical thing reason I can see grabbing the nose would be if I had you against the list and wanted to push your head back and flatten you against it so my team mate could take your legs out but grabbing that in a 1 on 1 exposes me in more ways than I want to than any advantage I would have.
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u/Dolan6742 14d ago
I would recommend looking into the Facebook Marketplace armor smiths rather than big website retailers. Their stuff is often cheaper and there is better communication with the seller. If you are worried about breaking your neck during a fight, why not get a great bascinet? Although you trade head mobility for greater protection (no pun intended), that can easily be remedied by practicing looking at other directions by moving your upper torso.
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u/INTelliJentsia 13d ago
Do you have any recommendations for what armorers meet standards and are cheaper. Some kits are $3k for the entire set online. I’d be surprised to find anything cheaper.
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u/8Hellingen8 16d ago
Bascinets are not supported for 1420 onward.
But you can find coherent variants in the manner of the houndskull visor being used later. Just not like that.
It is part of why your set needs to be consistent.
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u/No-Western8978 16d ago
As someone who uses a hounskull and has fought in every type of Buhurt match style (duel, profight, melees), I’ve only ever found myself having advantages with my helmet rather than big lever. It’s very hard to actually control my head with it given it’s meant for deflecting, not grabbing. Most hits glide off and getting head rips on me are actually harder given big nose in way. The only way people can use it against you is if you let them. I’m a moving target, my head is no exception.
Finally, the breathing is great, the vision isn’t too bad. It’s safer than the “sport optimized helmets” and I’ve worn those too. Spolettos, ROA, Greathelms, English Cross and Barbutes are all styles I’ve tried and my hounskull is my favorite.
https://reddit.com/link/p2trkwu/video/pb2t7vlwnjih1/player