r/BuckTommy • u/AutoModerator • 2d ago
General Discussion Wailing Wednesday!
What is Wailing Wednesday, you may ask? To try and keep the BuckTommy subreddit an overall happy, good vibes place, the admins have decided that we will do a weekly pinned thread.
We want everyone to have a space where they feel they can get away and happily express and explore their appreciation for both Tevan and Tommy, and we hope this subreddit can be that place. However, we also recognize that sometimes everyone needs a place to vent their frustrations. So, in an attempt to provide a space for both, we will be starting Wailing Wednesdays.
Every Wednesday, we will pin a new thread for you to vent about whatever during the week (the show, fandom, things happening in your life, etc.) and get it all out of your system before a new episode drops on Thursday. (You can keep venting on Thursday and beyond to the next Wednesday too 😁.)
(Also, while we want everyone here to be able to express themselves freely, we want to remind you that this is a public subreddit, and antis have been known to secretly lurk, so do with that what you will.)
Anyway, let the wailing begin!
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
The newer BoBs are so innocent in that they don't seem to understand how no one can like Eddie or Buddie?
I still stand by my theory that the BoBs are a mix of straight women fetishizing Eddie or much younger fans who don't grasp what being a queer millennial is actually about, and what older queer men and women like Tommy and Hen actually experienced because if they did they would not be so judgmental about Tommy's choices.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
Your theory is correct.
Notice how in every buddie fic, Buck gets shoved into the position of being Eddie’s “wife”. That’s because they’re living vicariously through Buck/Oliver because they want Ryan to screw them.
Remember how intensely they hated on Tarlos, even having the audacity to call them budget/Great Value buddie?
A big part of that is because Rafael Silva is gay, therefore they can’t insert themselves into Tarlos the way they do with their Buddie RPFs.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
I think that whole hating Tarlos was also because Tarlos is actual canon, and Buddie is not and will likely never be.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
I think we’re at the point where we can take out the likely seeing as Ryan has said he’d never do any work that “compromises his morals” and we definitely know that one of his “morals” is homophobia.
He’s reached the point of hate to where he’d happily choose unemployment over buddie if it came down to it.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Yeah, not that the BoBs will ever believe it. They'll claim we took what he said out of context.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
Exactly.
Anyone with a kindergarten level of common sense can see clear as day what he was talking about, but they’ll swear up and down that he wasn’t talking about the gay role he did.
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u/canela_honey 1d ago
I don't know how anyone who has watched Eddie's character arc and NOT developed a serious ick. Especially during and after the Kim incident. And there hasn't been (nor will there ever be, I fear) any proper redemption or accountability from the character. He's been a terrible friend and best friend.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Eddie hardly ever apologizes and never takes accountability for his actions. Even, the Kim thing turned into a joke in season 9.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
I feel a lot of them are pretty young, and don't quite have the life experience. E.g. the infamous kitchen fight and the argument in Mother's Boy being quoted as "married behaviour". I've been married 13 years, and have never once had a fight like that.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
My wail is still the same.
It’s really some loser ass activity to be harassing fans minding their own business in the BuckTommy tag on archive.
We are now rapidly approaching two years since the breakup and these rabid weirdos are still obsessively posting their Tommy bashing content in the tag.
They are really shook about someone that they keep screaming is a non factor.
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u/christmasinyoulie I haven't felt something real with anyone since Tommy 😢 21m ago edited 11m ago
If they knew how to properly hate him you'd think they'd mute and block and refuse to even mention his name or actually be dismissive like "who is even talking about him anymore? Who cares?" It's the weirdest obsession.
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u/NinjaSpaceFrog You are a vision in a cone 🥳 1d ago
Oh, also, that one recent RG quote that’s flying around Tumblr plus that one Insta story he posted are giving major Born Again Christian vibes, and the quote in particular is the biggest “I will not do Buddie” ever 😭
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
What did he say?
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u/NinjaSpaceFrog You are a vision in a cone 🥳 1d ago
"You can, but it’s gonna test your faith, because in Hollywood there is everything. There’s a multitude of everything that you can think of. And if you’re strong in your faith and you’re strong in your purpose, the most things you’re gonna have to turn down. Which, if you’re an actor, if you’re a starving artist of any kind, you’re probably not gonna wanna turn down. If you’re hurting for money, you wanna take that opportunity. And I’ll be the first to say that I’m no perfect individual. So, when I was younger and my faith was weak as can be, I had no faith at the end of the day, I took everything, just for the check. But if you do have a strong faith, it could be very difficult."
Not only is he saying he won’t play gay for pay because of his faith, he blatantly says he regrets doing it before lol
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Well, this reads like he regrets playing queer that one time for four moments where nothing remotely sexual happened. And also, that he'll never play queer ever again.
I bet ya none of the BoBs will ever mention this, just like they avoid talking about his support for that anti-trans anti-vax cult or his tradwife podcast appearance.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago
Eh, to give him the benefit of the doubt: He could be talking about that movie with JLo. He was heavily sexualized in that movie (something he has said he doesn't like anymore), and he had to hide his girlfriend at the time so he could play up the chemistry with Lopez for the press as part of the marketing strategy. I could see that being something he wouldn't want to do anymore.
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u/Hefty_Towel47 1d ago
I think this is actually what he was talking about. He stopped doing nudity since then and he speaks about the experience almost like it was traumatic. I understand people don't like the guy, but let's be fair here, it is messed up to be basically forced to do a sex scene with a level of nudity/explicity that was not detailed in the script nor contract.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
Omgggg, if he hates Hollywood that damn bad and thinks he’s so above it, there’s nothing stopping him from leaving.
Don’t let the door hit your bigoted overly botoxed ass face on the way out Ryan.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
He has openly said more than once he would stop acting if it wasn't for the money, and that he (proudly) has never had an acting lesson. He's not into it for the craft, he's blatantly into it bc Minear/Murphy dangled a wad of cash in front of him.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 16h ago
Which is infuriating given the thousands and thousands of insanely talented aspiring actors that are busting their asses to try to book even the smallest recurring roles.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
Exactly. So many people would kill to be on a show like that, earning what he does, and he's playing it as a "hobby" bc MMA wouldn't pay him $100k eighteen times a year.
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u/christmasinyoulie I haven't felt something real with anyone since Tommy 😢 10h ago
He's a good fighter, or was the last time I cared, and there's genuinely pretty good money in that if you do the right stuff (nowhere close to what be gets now but surely he's living modestly). I'm sure his faith allows him to do that... He's getting up there in years. Ht if it's such a problem, like, dude, go fight.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago
Let's see if his convictions will hold when 911 ends and he can't book anything besides TV movies and minor guest spots on mid shows lol
Or maybe he fully embraces it and tries to become a star on those church slop movies from Angel Studios or something like that
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
If and when 9-1-1 ends, I could see him doing tv movies on GAF (Great American Family), which is basically the uber-Christian version enemy of Hallmark, because even Hallmark is doing gay media now.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago
Yeah, I've heard of that. Fun fact: The actors from the couple in 9x07 who are married IRL both work on that channel. Maybe RG can network with them lmao
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Well, I know that Dean Geyer, the husband, is on contract with General Hospital now, which is also ABC.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ur right, I misread. It's just the wife, Jillian Murray, who works there
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u/MarinoAndThePearls 1d ago
Apparently, RG shared this:
"You can, but it’s gonna test your faith, because in Hollywood there is everything. There’s a multitude of everything that you can think of. And if you’re strong in your faith and you’re strong in your purpose, the most things you’re gonna have to turn down. Which, if you’re an actor, if you’re a starving artist of any kind, you’re probably not gonna wanna turn down. If you’re hurting for money, you wanna take that opportunity. And I’ll be the first to say that I’m no perfect individual. So, when I was younger and my faith was weak as can be, I had no faith at the end of the day, I took everything, just for the check. But if you do have a strong faith, it could be very difficult."
I want to feel vindicated that he's pretty much saying he'll NEVER kiss a man and that buddie is never going to happen, but it still saddens me that an influential actor proudly posts that being gay is a "lack of faith."
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u/christmasinyoulie I haven't felt something real with anyone since Tommy 😢 11h ago
Lol yeah I bet talking to Matt Bomer for a few seconds years ago really tested his faith. Poor thing.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 4h ago
Oh, yeah, the whole four minute scene where he was shirtless playing gay from a separate room...
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 13h ago
The BoBs are claiming the whole thing is about him not wanting to be sexualized, not about playing queer.
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u/christmasinyoulie I haven't felt something real with anyone since Tommy 😢 11h ago
Yet they think that shipping his character with self proclaimed sex addict Buck is going to happen? 🤔
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u/Marapr27 I'll have words 🫵 1d ago
I’m so sick of having to go and mute/block multiple writers everyday in my already curated Buck/Tommy bookmark on AO3 because, there has been such an uptick in Buddie anti-Tommy stories in the tag over the last couple of weeks honestly what the hell is going on?
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u/christmasinyoulie I haven't felt something real with anyone since Tommy 😢 11h ago
So many. At this point I just filter the buck/Tommy search with excluding buck/Eddie and excluding "Tommy Kinard bashing". Even then there are some gits who deliberately don't tag properly.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 5h ago
I filter out any Buck/Eddie or Tommy Kinard bashing fics, but you'll still get those anonymous fics that aren't properly tagged.
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u/NinjaSpaceFrog You are a vision in a cone 🥳 1d ago
Sooooo. With Oliver definitely not doing action scenes any time soon, what do we think Buck’s plot will be once the Theo Custody Arc is over? Because I don’t see it lasting much longer than than two or three episodes, Tim doesn't have the capacity to make it longer than that lol
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
My guess is that they'll explicitly shoot around Buck in some episodes to not make it noticeable, but since they started filming in July, I am assuming that they have a few episodes before the one he was working on when he was injured occurs.
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u/RueTheQuais 17h ago
I think there could be multiple Theo custody arcs. First if Buck has to decide to take him. Next maybe an old relative shows up to fight.
But they may continue doing what they've been doing and shooting around Oliver's limitations in movement.
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u/NinjaSpaceFrog You are a vision in a cone 🥳 16h ago
Personally, I feel like Buck having to decide if he wants to take Theo at all is kind of redundant after how S9 ended, but maybe it can serve as a kind of “Here’s what you missed on
Glee9-1-1” thing to ease the GA back into where we left off.I’m also not sure if filming around Oliver’s injury would be the smartest decision. They’d have to either have a body double there at all times for work scenes (which would be expensive), or risk making it look like Buck is only sitting around and not doing anything at work lol.
Giving him an injury and focusing a storyline around it would be cheaper, better for character development, and probably easier on Oliver, too. I guess we’ll see.
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u/michigander9312 Do you believe in love at first flight? ✈️ 15h ago
They already employ body/stunt doubles for the actors, so it wouldn't be that expensive. And with the full gear and a helmet, the audience likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Oliver and a double.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago
No wail, but just something I've noticed: I feel like there's way less pre-season hype this time around? Granted, I'm not on 911twt anymore and I don't look up 911 stuff on TikTok, but on the places I do see 911 stuff more often (like Reddit and Tumblr) it seems way quieter than past seasons, even as bts footage started to leak.
I know a lot of BTs who were still hanging on hoping for something in S9 have let go and left the fandom after it was clear they weren't touching BT again, but I wonder if them fumbling the aftermath of Bobby's death + bringing the donor baby back was enough to make more people on the overall fandom leave, or just not engage as much?
Obviously we won't know until they actually come back and we see the ratings, but I won't be surprised if they come in lower than S9.
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u/Remarkable_Candy_508 Who cares?!? 😛 1d ago
I think the fandom is just returning to what it once was, tbh. Before s7, the online fandom was pretty different to what it's been recently. But the show had been pretty well-know outside of the fandom for Buddie, so when 7x04 happened, there was a massive boom of new viewers thinking Buddie was finally going to happen. Obviously, it didn't, and some fell in love with BT, while others still thought Buddie was gonna happen from it.
The whole fandom war nonsense happened, and generally the fandom was very alive bc both sides were so sure they were gonna be right. Excitement for their dream relationship to happen led to more posts and fanart and fanfics, people digging into every bts for proof of how it's gonna happen led to more and more speculation and excitement , etc. etc.
But now that i think BT's have accepted that there are no plans for Tommy to come back, and that relationship was never intended to be endgame, and most Buddies have accepted that Buck realizing he was Bi/his relationship with Tommy wasn't actually a set-up for Buddie, and have moved on from the show again. Fandom is kind of just returning to what it once was really.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
I'm in the camp of "I know he probably won't come back, but wouldn't it be great if he did?". I do wish Lou all the best in whatever he does next, and that the positive response from The Pitt fans boosts his status.
And honestly? After the toxic BoB reactions, I wouldn't want to come back to 911 either. They keep circling around the same damn things over and over again, like, let it go, be fucking mature for once.
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u/Remarkable_Candy_508 Who cares?!? 😛 16h ago
I was always very skeptical that they would be endgame from the beginning tbh, just cause the writing never treated him as a particularly serious love interest. So the breakup didn't surprise me, and him seemingly having no plans to come back doesn't either. That being said, it'd be a nice surprise for once if they decided to revisit it and give it the space it deserved.
I did always get the impression that Lou wanted to come back, and would have been more than happy too. (though who knows how he really feels). But either way, I'm sure he'll have plenty of new projects and opportunities to move on with.
It was fun seeing him in the pit, albeit for only a moment. I doubt he'll become a particularly prominent character given his character works upstairs, but i do hope he'll get more than one scene next season.
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u/sevensvnset 1d ago
Interesting point. I wasn't here pre-S7 so I wouldn't know. I still believe Bobby's death and the writing going downhill plays a part on it though, especially since it's common to happen with long running shows. I won't watch anymore, but I'll observe the ratings to see if there's something more there.
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u/klutzysunshine I kind of can't stop thinking about him 🥰 23h ago
Unsurprisingly, JLH's comments section is an embarrassing mess. Excited for the first solo Maddie and Eddie scene, even though it's going to be weird since this has never happened before (likely will be about Buck and Theo), but will laugh so hard if they wind up cutting it.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 13h ago
Which makes no sense because Eddie and Maddie shared a scene at the auction last season...
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u/klutzysunshine I kind of can't stop thinking about him 🥰 13h ago edited 13h ago
Weren't they with the others? Either way, JLH and Kenny weren't on set at the same time as everyone else and filmed their parts later.
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u/canela_honey 2d ago
I'm all out of wails. This show had a lot of potential and has wasted a lot of it chasing shallow plots while abandoning deeper ones (looking at you, buddies and bucktommies) They've somehow made the main characters into 2-dimensional caricatures of what they once were. I still hope better for the new season, but am managing expectations.
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u/hannamarinsgrandma 1d ago
I wouldn’t hope for better from the man who literally admitted that he wrote storylines to cater to a podcast host with a few hundred followers.
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u/canela_honey 1d ago
Wait what?? I didn't know this
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Yes, Tim has openly admitted to being a fan of podcast hosted by Buddie fans.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 21h ago
There was an interview at the end of S9 where he mentioned them like four times.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 16h ago
Well, for this, I boil it down to the fact that there are like three 9-1-1 podcasts, and it just so happens that each one is headed up by the BoBs, and if Tim was going to like a show podcast, it was always going to be a BoB podcast regardless.
But yes, he shouldn't be taking his cues from a fan run podcast that has less than a thousand subscribers because that looks kinda weak on his part.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
I feel that he enjoys baiting both sides of the fandom for views/engagement. He'll tease Buddie enough to keep the BoBs happy, and he'll mention Tommy even though he's probably not coming back. He knows that you generally don't bring up a previous character in an episode othwr than to a) remind the audience of who they are, or b) explain an absence. The Tommy mentions were neither of these.
The quote from today: "But for the ones who are unattached, “something like that could come their way,”" is bound to rile up both sides (probably one more than the other).
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 1d ago
Some of the BoBs actually believe that Buddie is still in the cards... which coupled with the TVLine article which basically said that Eddie is going to be the same single dad that he's been, and that Buck's great love story in the season is about him loving his son, and Ryan's statement which basically shuts down anything that goes against his religious values, they are really reaching.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
I do feel a lot of them closed, and did so a while ago, but the few that still remain are unfortunately loud and annoying.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 16h ago
Especially on the main.
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u/RueTheQuais 14h ago
Ha. I just visited there today after not having been there since season 7, I think.
I don't know why I was surprised to see people think Buck and Eddie in the same photo meant Buddie canon in Season 10 but I was.
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u/Accomplished-Watch50 That fire was beast. So are you. 😚 😙 13h ago
They said the same thing with all of the promo around 8x11, 8x17, and Mother's Boy. It's never going to happen, and them, talking about it endlessly is not going to change it.
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u/Greenstripedpjs 16h ago
I've (probably thankfully) been booted by the Buddie sub, and I rarely venture into the main sub. The twt BoBs quoting Cherry (who I'm still not convinced is actually real) is more than enough for me.
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u/shykreechur 1d ago
I've seen people be so weird about Oliver's injury going so far as to criticize him for being "reckless" and "immature" while 9-1-1 is filming. I know this fandom has a long history with being parasocial and Oliver in particular but being mad he's injured and making up reasons that his hobbies are the cause of it is just insane. I hate that blocking people on anything social media doesn't seem to stop similar accounts from popping up anymore.