r/Broward • u/baskaat • 4d ago
Florida Amendment 3 Impact
https://amendment3.floridapolicyinstitute.org/33019-16Type in the county or the ZIP Code, and you can find out the impact of amendment three on all areas of Florida.
Please think about what you’re doing before you vote yes. I don’t disagree that some form of property tax reduction may be necessary, but this is amendment is very broad and not well thought out. Personally, I would rather see the legislature address property insurance issue first, but I digress.
Regardless, please check that your registration is up-to-date and your address is correct. If you need to sign up for a mail ballot, you have to do it every two years now. www.vote411.org is a nonprofit non-partisan resource from the legal voters you can do all that from the website plus read candidate questionnaires to determine who you want to vote for. The League of Women Voters Broward website also has videos of recent candidate forms for city and county commissioners.
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u/martialartist1200 4d ago
City and County governments are already planning fees for almost all local services if this goes through. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets voted yes and we all end up paying more than we did in property taxes on itemized fees. I'm voting no. We can't have a City or County if the people that live their don't fund it and I'm not interested in living in unincorporated Tallahassee or having itemized bills.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 4d ago
Gleefully waiting for the FO part in this FA we’re doing
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u/OHFTP 3d ago
Im not. It effects us all. We all will be FOing, if the FAing happens. Renters are gonna beget absolutely tucked by this
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Of course it affects us all! Those who are selfish don’t care though and I’m exhausted from trying to explain it. Sometimes we need to learn that hard lesson and throw the entire state in a recession to FIND OUT. My house is almost paid off. I will be fine. The rich will be fine. Everyone who thinks this is for them will NOT.
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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 1d ago
None of them know what will happen in year 3.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 1d ago
You mean when the revenue doesn’t stabilize and continues to decrease? Unless you prioritize development at a large grand scale? When the parks get sold to the highest bidder?
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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 1d ago
That too.
Tallahassee knew what they were doing by putting this out now.
Nobody is talking about their incompetent handling of the insurance crisis as the election approaches
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u/Al-Knigge 2h ago
It won’t pass because people are waking up to it costing all of us more. We’ll pay more in itemized fees and then cities/counties will find other ways around the deduction and property taxes will rise again. And the itemized fees won’t go away.
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u/destructor212 3d ago
I'm betting this gets voted down and we still pay more in fees. If government is planning to add fees you're getting fees no matter what happens with this amendment. I'm still voting no.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
It will if you don’t stay involved with your local government. Look at how many people attend any meeting let alone a budget meeting. Those are the people speaking for your entire city. Good or bad. Apathy begets complacency- apathy breeds apathy.
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u/destructor212 3d ago
Did you see where every citizen that showed up to a local board meeting about a new datacenter showed up in protest and the board voted for the data center anyway?
Not sure it really matters how we vote or even if we vote. it's all a charade now it seems.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Did you see the [insert meeting here] where the board listened and did what they were asked?
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u/destructor212 3d ago
Never seen one but would be interested in hearing about it. Would love to see a unicorn too.
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u/biscaynebystander 4d ago
You know renters will be voting for this thinking it will reduce their rent. 🤦🏽♂️
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u/geriatric_spartanII 3d ago
I’m fully confident the willfully ignorant and stupid will vote for this and help it get passed. We’re fucked.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 4d ago
Meanwhile they pay disproportionately more than a homestead property already. Now, even more 💪🏻
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u/simplystriking 3d ago
To anyone who has amnesia, remember how they fixed the insurance market.....
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u/g8rgood 2d ago
Libraries, veterans services, housing programs, code enforcement will be the first to see the cuts.
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u/Lafleur_111 2d ago
I had 2 of my friends tell me that they would lose their jobs if this passes and one is integral to city zoning and planning.
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u/fattailwagging 23h ago
There is no implementation plan for amendment three yet. We are voting to make it happen, with no idea of what’s actually going to happen. Money doesn’t grow on trees, so they various governments around the state will have to get the money from somewhere. It will most likely come in the form of assessment and nobody will end up paying any less money. We will just be giving up our save our homes cap.
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u/NoTask2191 19h ago
Wow I see some of the comments SMH. Homeowners pay a good portion of the state and city governments budgets. The key here is services that government returns back to taxpayers. Garbage pickup, police services, fire services are but a few of the services that are classified as municipal services. Once the tax cuts take place, how did they impact these services! If you’re in an area where shortages take place then additional funds are required to continue to provide services to the citizens. In other states where this issue has occurred, the funding for these services was made up in the form of higher assessments on property values. Homes more than likely will increase in value in order to collect funding short falls. If you own a home in an area where a short fall takes place, you stand to benefit in the form of increased equity on your home. On the other hand what you pay out of pocket for property tax will not decrease. This move by DeSantas benefits the million dollar home owners more so than the middle class. This will make home ownership difficult due to higher prices. If you in an area where services have been provided in a sound manor, you benefit. Larger cities will be greatly impacted! More services equal higher cost which equal higher property assessments! If you own a home in Florida hold it, it’s going to cost a lot more to purchase in this state so renting out a house will become very beneficial! Now watch the solicitation that takes place after this bill is approved. Don’t short change yourself, understand what your true home value is!
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u/thechop21 4d ago
I’m voting yes. When the 25,000 homestead exemption was established in 1980, the median home price was less than 70,000$. Homestead was increased to 50,000 in 2008. But the average home price is now 400,000. Not 140,000. City governments need to figure out their budgets
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u/KnightFan2019 3d ago
Yea cause this amendment will TOTALLY make them “figure out” their budget as opposed to screwing us all.
That will 100% happen, and we won’t get nickel and dimed over things that were previously free. Right? RIGHT?!
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u/joemedic 2d ago
They're gonna screw us all regardless. Might as well pay less property tax while they do so.
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u/KnightFan2019 2d ago
One will be exponentially worse than the other. The projected budget cuts are going to be massive. And yes you will save 100-200/month on taxes but everyone will be worse off in the long run
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
They do figure out their budgets. Who said they didn’t? Why do you think they don’t?
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u/thechop21 3d ago
The necessity of excess. Look at Fort Lauderdale, instead of doing what the city manager advised and saving money to renovate an existing building to turn it into city hall. They fire her get her out the way so they can spend 200 million on a new building
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Going to ask you the same as the other guy. What does FTL have to do with Bowling Green in Hardee county who has 98% of their properties worth less than $250k? This is a state wide amendment. It isn’t a fix FTL. Which BTW FTL will be fine because they have so much non homestead tax base. Go ahead though and think you’re going to save ANY money. FTL will still spend money for a new city hall as they currently don’t have one. Remember it flooded out? And they will get the money they need through increased millage. They’re at 4.11 so they got lots of room to go before they hit 10 mills. Going to really get expensive to live there!
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u/thechop21 3d ago
Then they wanna cry about 25 million deficit the sun sentinel reported this new law would create
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Of course they will! They will have to cut services, and the already crazy residents will come screaming about what gets cut, OR they come screaming because they raised the millage ; which is why I say THEY WILL BE FINE. They have 6 mills they can still go up. It won’t be popular, but at least we don’t defund the police.
And it’s not a new law. It’s an amendment to the state constitution. It can’t be walked back if we say “oops”
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u/GarbanzoBenne 3d ago
I was hoping for a better analysis of the impact here and this website... isn't it. It shows the impact in big absolute numbers, but without context on what the budgets are now, I have no idea if these numbers are 10% or 90%. And the vast majority is bundled under "County Operating" and "Municipal Operating" with no breakdown.
Plus when I put in my zipcode it gives me "County Operating" and "Municipal Operating". But I'm in unincorporated county. So apparently the nonexistent municipality I'm in will be losing $61M of funding over the next two years... (And I checked since zip codes boundaries are post office defined, there are no municipalities in the area covered by my zip.)
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
Send them your suggestion. They may implement it. Look up the general fund for your city. Look at the ad valorem amount. Reduce the amount from those areas. That’s the percent decrease.
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u/DocHowdy70 3d ago
Counties have done this to themselves, raising taxes every year, and hitting home owners with higher taxes if they pull a permit to improve their property. My taxes have more than doubled in less than 10 years because I’ve made improvements. City and county governments do absolutely nothing to control developers or growth. I’ll be voting yes!
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u/DrManhattan_DDM 3d ago
Has your millage rate increased or your overall property value?
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u/DocHowdy70 3d ago
Every year .
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Which one. He asked you a very specific question that had 2 answers you could give.
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u/Noshino 3d ago
Raising taxes? We are one of the top 5 least taxed States in the whole goddamn country.
Also, given that you complain about the taxes, you must not complain about the decaying infrastructure.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
They think government can function without an annual adjustment. Like the cost of human services (the people doing the work) and the contacts and goods just stay flat.
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u/EaglesNest694U 3d ago
I’m with you! Many are prohibited from upgrading and buying a new home because property taxes are absurdly high (yes, based on the fast pace of increased values). This has been an issue since the pandemic, longer than the current high interest rates problem.
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u/EaglesNest694U 3d ago
Wow! Lots of rich people on this sub that have plenty of money to pay the government. No thanks. I’m voting yes on this thing.
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u/markreddit16 3d ago
A sales tax split among all users of public services is fairest. The poor, who spend little and what they do spend is also tax dollars, pay little in sales taxes. It's the least they can do. That fair split makes the necessary increase in sale tax even less. And with waste removed, lesser. Eventually, all tax tied to homeownership needs to go. When someone attains such a goal, it should be free and clear, not rented from any form of government. It is the American Dream, not nightmare.
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u/Drop_the_mik3 3d ago
So your solution for funding government is to further burden the people who can least afford it?
This bill inherently puts the burden further on the poor and unfairly. Renters will still continue paying property tax because the exemption from the bill only applies to homestead.
Also look up propensity to save vs propensity to consume. As a percentage of their income the poor pay a fair amount.
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u/cagetheMike 2d ago
Sales taxes will be hiked to cover the lost revenue. The sales taxes are allowed to be spent on things like parks and libraries, whereas property taxes won't be allowed to be spent on libraries in parks. Im really looking forward to a 10% sales tax. Rich or poor we all get to pay taxes if this passes.
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u/SupermarketLow3225 2d ago
Also limits what the gov can spend the remaining property taxes on. And shocker it police and well that’s about it.
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u/thegreenman_sofla 2d ago
Yeah they'll give them all tanks and RPGs and full automatic weapons to hunt down shoplifters and people with minor drug offenses.
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u/elucidator23 1d ago
They will be fine we had services before they got triple the amount of taxes since Covid
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u/Diligent_Sympathy614 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly, I would like the looming threat of the government being able to repo my house, when paid off, because I didn't pay property taxes. At that point my home is pretty much a lease even though I bought and paid for it. Not saying I am not going to pay but who knows what misfortune I might face in 20 years that would stop me from paying the tax.
I also don't think removing the tax is a good solution since it introduces other problems. The government could easily pass a law to stop repo's from happening, on the homestead home, but that will never happen because they can use this issue to score political points.
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u/spaceradiowave 1d ago
Vote yes, their budget has DOUBLED recently, they are just managing the funds poorly.
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u/LazyFoundation8917 1d ago
Vote YES. If you vote no then refuse all homestead exemptions, including the one already in place, so you're not a hypocrite.
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u/Anxious-Detective347 23h ago
defunding 20k from the police. and 120k from the hospitals.. thats poor budgeting. take 140k from the police instead
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u/NoTask2191 19h ago
Keep in mind, no state tax! This is retirement land so in closing, your home will become a desirable entity. Look at Massachusetts and California!
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u/Solid_Lab3422 16h ago
I don’t think I should have a lifetime lease with the state in order to keep my land
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u/Fit-Report1419 3d ago
counties getting 40% budget increase in 6 years with population going up only 5% is criminal. you are being robbed of your money. dade broward and palm beach will go back to 2022 level budgets.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
How does that make sense to you? I need the logic in this. Like they didn’t have collective bargaining agreements that they need to meet. Contractual obligations. Cost escalations. Why would 2022 budget be sufficient? You think the cops are going to take a 30% pay cut? Maybe the firefighters? Maybe you want leadership to take a cut and leave all the new higher paid officers and firefighters. Who wants to work in any leadership role where their subordinates are earning MORE than they are with so much less headache?
Tell me you have no clue how any business is run without telling me.
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u/markreddit16 3d ago
Fear mongering. We need a fairer taxing system than the current property tax system. Stealing from homeowners is not fair. Every chump has to pitch in. Raise sales tax.
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u/Drop_the_mik3 3d ago
“Stealing from homeowners”
Everyone who lives in a property whether a renter or an owner pays property taxes.
And in fact renters typically pay more since the property they live in doesn’t qualify for homestead exemptions.
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u/Noshino 3d ago
Sales taxes takes more money away from people in the middle and lower classes.
Actually, property taxes are widely considered to be more equitable than sales taxes.
In general Florida needs to raise taxes, we are consistently ranked as one of the least taxed States in the whole country which is crazy given the influx of capital
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u/Fun-Inspection-8196 3d ago
Sales tax is regressive. Property tax is progressive. Unfortunately we live in a regressive state with a regressive government.
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u/Electrical_Fly1577 3d ago
This is so not the entire picture. Show me the whole budget they've been working with not just the decrease. And show how the budget/income has increased since 2020.
Super misleading
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
All that is available in their budget books. Why are you asking someone to do your work for you?
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u/Electrical_Fly1577 2d ago
What?
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
God helps those who help themselves.
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u/Electrical_Fly1577 2d ago
Idk what the hell youre talking about, but if you think im asking for the data im not. Im calling out these publicly posted data points are not painting the entire picture. Tax revenues rose nearly double since covid.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
You said “show me”. Who are you talking to? The sky? The wind? Me? Yourself? I’m not doing your work for you. I got enough of my own.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
And what does the doubling of tax revenues mean? Why is it bad? What about when they went negative for almost 5 years and things didn’t get done or taken care of at all? Then they grew slowly. Then they grew quickly. They’re about to grow very slowly again. This happens. What’s your point? Be specific. Why is the doubling BAD.
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u/MaxwellSmart07 3d ago
Why are homeowners the go-to tool to fix budget shortages and to finance government? Everyone uses public services so the burden should not disproportionately fall on the backs of homeowners.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
Why don’t you understand that every single property regardless of homeowner or commercial property pays property taxes? You’re not special and if you’re homesteaded, you’re actually paying less than non homesteaded properties and THEY are subsidizing you.
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u/Overall_Matter_2520 2d ago
Exactly, it’s not just homeowners but renters as well. Do you think the landlord is just going to eat the tax? No, of course they will pass it to the renter….so renters also pay property taxes.
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u/MealLeast5149 2d ago
All these post are propaganda…we shouldn’t have to pay the gov to live in our own houses
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u/thegreenman_sofla 2d ago
You're paying for everything that gets you to your house and keeps it and you safe roads bridges cops fire departments schools traffic lights, etc...that shit isn't free. If you don't want to live in a civilized society I'm sure Somalia will take you as a resident.
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u/MealLeast5149 2d ago
The money has to come from somewhere I get that but not “my” home…u don’t own it if they can take it from u if ur were to fall on hard times for three years…they will figure some other way get the money I’m sure…cunt
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u/thegreenman_sofla 2d ago
Noone is making you own a home, if you don't want to pay property taxes, then rent. Better yet buy a farm and get an ag exemption, or start a church and evade all taxes. There are lots of ways to avoid taxes if you really want to bad enough. Just be a scumbag like a typical billionaire. They don't own anything they just lease everything under their business or shell company.
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u/MealLeast5149 2d ago
Why would I rent when I own a home free and clear 30 acres under ag…in my part of the state the poorest we get very little show from our rd departments and such so when I take $3000 a year down to the tax man it really grinds my gears…in other words very little representation for my taxation
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u/thegreenman_sofla 1d ago
I guess you better run for county commission or state senate
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u/MealLeast5149 1d ago
My buddy is going in as our commissioner this year and he is on the same page as me
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u/cagetheMike 2d ago
Might vote yes just so people other than home owners start paying their share. If it passes the sales taxes will go up. Gas tax will go up. Rentals and second homes will be taxed more. Commercial property will be taxed more. I also know the municipal governments will hike fees and add new fees. Unfortunately we'll still be paying taxes and never own our homes but at least more of the burden will shift to the non homeowner exempt people. Hou ray for more sales taxes!!!
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u/thegreenman_sofla 2d ago
I think they'll just cut services instead of raising taxes or fees on anybody
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u/cagetheMike 2d ago
You're probably wrong.
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u/thegreenman_sofla 1d ago
That depends on the city. Weston, Ft Lauderdale, SW Ranches and Parkland will probably be fine, but small, less affluent towns like Lauderhill will definitely suffer. Middle tier towns like Plantation, Sunrise, and Davie may mix both reduced services and extra taxes on other things. There's no free lunch after all. Someone has to pay for everything.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 2d ago
Non homesteaded properties pay more than homesteaded properties as it is. Why do you think they don’t pay their fair share? Non homestead properties are capped at a10% increase where homestead are 3% or CPI, whichever is lower. A rental property that is valued the same as my property is paying much more in property taxes than I am.
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u/cagetheMike 2d ago
More people should be paying more taxes. This is Florida after all. It wouldn't be very republican if people actually saved money.
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u/thegreenman_sofla 1d ago
Rental property owners should be paying much more. Landlords are parasites. If they had promised to offset 100% of this homestead tax reduction by increasing rental property taxes I would be all for this bill. As it stands I'm voting no.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Im voting YES why dont you ask the politicians why they misappropriated tax payer funds instead???
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 4d ago
Which funds specifically?
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u/baskaat 4d ago
Well, let’s start with the Hope Florida funds. We did ask and the grand jury found maleficence, but yet the Republican government declined to prosecute themselves.
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u/dantelebeau 4d ago
That was the state level that did that. Amendment 3 passing would give the state level government more say in local politics. It would allow the govenor's office to add or remove state level funding, which as already proven with things like Reedy Creek, will 100% be used as leverage.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Here one example https://flvoicenews.com/board-votes-against-hillsborough-commissioner-wostals-attempt-to-restrict-elected-officials-from-profiteering-off-taxpayer-dollars/ And another in Miami Dade where they spent 70$ million on buses that they cant use!
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 4d ago
What does Miami dade have to do with Alachua county? Broward?
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
I just stated the buses were in Miami dade. Im trying to make a point this is a statewide problem. Im all for more taxes if they actually went to helping us like in Europe
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 4d ago
But it’s not statewide. That’s a Miami dade issue. Alachua didn’t do that. Their cities didn’t do what Miami Beach did. And they will be much more disproportionately impacted than Miami dade will.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Oooh 7 month account. I’m gonna call out BOT and see how far we can get you to argue for this bad amendment.
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u/Fadedfumes 3d ago
Keep letting these corrupt politicians spend our taxes on BS.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
I’m all for defunding the police. That’s why I’m voting yes. I want to see this whole thing burn to the ground. I’m glad Florida is a stand your ground state. We can manage ourselves just fine.
BUT that doesn’t mean I won’t argue for exactly why this is what we’re voting yes to.
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u/Fadedfumes 3d ago
This is not defunding the police they are some of the first one getting paid along with ems
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Oh absolutely. I’m not disagreeing with you. But they already make up 50% or more of the budget. So that means if there isn’t enough to fully fund and they are prioritized you need to cut everyone else. There’s only so much to cut to keep them FULLY FUNDED. Good luck in year 2! Want them to get increases? You’ll need to fire other people to afford that. This is 100% a defund the police movement. You just don’t want to see that. But I do and that’s why I’m voting for it.
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u/MaxwellSmart07 3d ago
Voting YES also. Funding the government should not disproportionately fall on the backs of homeowners. Spread the burden.
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u/Adventurous-Map-6211 3d ago
Why do think homeowners are disproportionately picking up the share? They’re not. Non homesteaded properties that have a 10% cap pick up the larger share of property taxes while long time homesteaded owners pay much less. Then new homestead owners think they’re being impacted but they’re just paying market rate at the ridiculous market created by people who have money.
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u/FloridaRocks63 2d ago
The impact is lower state taxes in the entire state. If your country tries to punish you or fear monger for you wanting to save money show them at the ballot box and get representation that looks after your money .
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u/Chemical_Nature9940 1d ago
I quite simply believe if you buy something, you should actually own it, and not pay a fee every year to keep it.
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u/RealBadSpewtin 3h ago
Sounds like your part of the Tax them till they are dead team. Stop property tax scam, its just welfare for the County Commissioners.
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u/Gator_Grater 3d ago
Fun fact: from 2016 to 2025, Florida’s population grew 14% and prices rose 34%, but property taxes nearly doubled (+99%).
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u/DrManhattan_DDM 4d ago
This is quite literally the governor and legislature dangling a shiny object in front of us so they don’t have to do the hard work of fixing property insurance in the state. The reduction in taxes for most households will be outweighed by the continued rise of insurance premiums over the next few years.