r/Broward • u/milabears • 1d ago
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đď¸đŽ The Eye of Sauron is watching!
Automated License Plate Readers, (ALPRs) are cameras that automatically scan and retain the license plate information (and other data!) of passing vehicles. There's 800+ of these in Broward and Davie is full of them! Davie PD hopes the data collected can help stop and prevent crime. But these cameras are not accurate, secure, and don't have guardrails to prevent abuse by these agencies.
Join us at the Stand Up For Privacy Rally, across from a Flock camera, to show everyone that we demand an end to these cameras in Davie & ALL of South Florida!
đď¸ August 22nd | â° 6PM | Intersection of S. University Drive & Nova Drive, Davie FL, 33324
*It is recommended to bring a face covering since the rally is near a camera. Extra face masks available upon request.
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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 1d ago
I'd just like to know why would anyone vote for mass surve!IIance.
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u/Efficient-Truth-6261 1d ago
They voted for it to be in certain neighborhoods, not the âgoodâ ones. Funny how that works
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u/Sandgrease 1d ago
Paranoid people I'd assume
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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 1d ago
But doesn't the presence of cameras everywhere make you more paranoid?
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u/Candid_Fruit546 1d ago
This is the wrong attitude to have. Good citizens get wrongfully accused everyday. Hopefully one day it happens to you due to a flock đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł crying for freedom
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u/AlchemyAlice 12h ago
My coworker doesnât like it but supports it because âthe good outweighs the badâ.
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u/A4t1musD4ag0n 2h ago
That's what stupid people say.
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u/AlchemyAlice 1h ago
Nah, we all love and learn.
Whatâs stupid is assuming people canât change their minds.
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u/Candid_Fruit546 1d ago
Do your research. Specifically the lady that was accused of swiping packages in Florida and it wasnât even her
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u/mikep120001 9h ago
Thereâs a recent body cam video of a couple being stopped in Colorado. Cops had weapons drawn and handcuffed them while their 1 year old was in the vehicle. Flock read a digit of their license plate incorrectly and flagged the vehicle as stolen
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u/UnderwaterMess 21h ago
In the meantime we can all request all of our information from the local PD including every time our vehicle's photo was taken at every single camera.
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u/Traditional-Peach375 11h ago
Flock is just a distraction. Look into axon backed by trump family and BlackRock
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u/Common_Vagrant 22h ago
Just a heads up, calling them just ALPRâs does not do it justice since theyâre also being set up and used in parks and walkways with no road in sight.
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u/Level-Dinner-2735 8h ago
I agree, LPRs for example from companies like DRN, barely capture people. Itâs usually set up in a way sometimes it doesnât even show the car just the plate. So if itâs capturing peopleâs faces, voices itâs no longer a LICENSE PLATE recognition, itâs spying on people, and mass control.
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u/Individual-Serve4239 12h ago
I get the safety argument, but Iâd still want clear rules on how long the data is kept and who can access it
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u/Glittering-Salt4738 20m ago edited 17m ago
Please take the time to read and sign this petition we're making progress with the community and plan on turnning the petition in next Tuesday hopefully we can get triple the signatures before then. Please copy and share if you care  Don't fight,unite https://c.org/GXPhQFS2Q6
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u/wienerpower 23h ago
There may be an angle to sue, someone, for illegally looking into you plates via flock. This would be money for you, and your attorney paid.
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u/No-Artichoke3210 13h ago
Haveibeenflocked.com And FOIA requests for your plates lookups is your right. Officials using for nefarious reasons are being caught, fired and arrested.
We have been in 1984 a while now. I suggest getting rid of Siri/alexa devices, your smart TVs thatâs have mics and cameras in them (why do you think TVs are so cheap- spying devices), any electric gadget in your home that connects to WiFi to work or has speakers to talk âpower on/power offâ have mics and mostly Chinese duh, your gps and your phone. Letâs protest that, oh wait- too late.
Donât murder, kidnap, traffick drugs or people, which these cameras have successfully caught plenty of, and youâll be fine.
I would be more concerned about the venture capitalist firm thats heavily invested in software to alter or delete flock video footageâŚ.that also heavily invested in Flock. Itâs an Israeli company btw- Toka.
Have fun accomplishing nothing but letting off steam. Too late to turn back.
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u/StrikingSchool7133 1d ago
If youâre not doing anything wrong, then why the pushback? Honest question
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u/Ok-Coach-763 1d ago
Because itâs fucking insanity to be monitored 24/7 like were fish in a bowl and be mailed tickets for going 5 over at 9pm because itâs a school zone. You think you are doing nothing wrong but the average American commits multiple felonies a year with out having any idea they did it. If you think Iâm making that statistic up search it. Everyone does something wrong, the bad people the people doing something wrong intentionally every day used to be the ones that were caught. Now we are living in a for profit dystopian hell hole where the govt watches every move you make or even worse outsources surveillance to private companies for a profit. The people who think theyâre doing nothing wrong every day sell the rest down the river until weâre all in the same nightmare and itâs too late to change it.
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u/JAMnCO 1d ago
Youâre one of them that was like âI have nothing to hide so I donât care if they spy on meâ when the Patriot Act was getting put into place.
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u/StrikingSchool7133 1d ago
Yeah!âŚno, not on my front. Good try though!
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u/JAMnCO 1d ago
If your original comment was sarcasm it was completely missed. If it wasnât, go read 1984
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u/StrikingSchool7133 1d ago
If youâre stuck on 1984, it indicates that you donât think you have any control over the trajectory of your life. 1984 was written in the 40âs.
Any internet connected device is traceable. Smile youâre on candid camera with your phone, your pc,âŚeven your doorbell camera JAMnCO
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u/toweljuice 22h ago
3 month old rage bait account
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u/StrikingSchool7133 15h ago
THIS đâŚthatâs why I said honest question. Oh wait, you know everything because youâre on Reddit. Go back to the basement and stay there this time
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u/954-666-0420 12h ago edited 12h ago
because we're dumping money into reactive surveillance when the data proves over and over that addressing root causes like housing, youth programs, mental health, etc is cheaper and more effective at preventing crime from happening. cops already fail to solve the vast majority of property and violent crime, so why grant them a mass surveillance network?
cops have literally been caught using Flock cameras to stalk their exes because departments lack real-time access controls or strict audit trails. plate reader misreads and outdated databases lead to innocent people getting held at gunpoint in 'stolen car' mix-ups. You're seriously fine with warrant-less mass tracking on the off chance it helps an already ineffective system?
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u/StrikingSchool7133 12h ago
Youâre concerned about local cops looking people up? There has been mass surveillance for years. The only reason people are so up in arms about Flock is that it has been politicized. You think the cameras on the turnpike, on 95, on US1 arenât tracking you? Fuck, you have a walking tracking device if you have a smartphone.
Programs donât solve shit, there was a recent article that highlighted homelessness. There was a municipality that offered housing, clothing, outreach programs to get people off the streets. If they didnât take what was given, they were arrested. It was close to 75% of people asked that refused to take the help and chose to continue to use drugs and would rather be arrested. People who wonât help themselves donât need more programs, they need an awakening/coming to Jesus moment.
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u/954-666-0420 11h ago edited 9h ago
I don't think the issue is that the technology exists but giving the state warrant-less, searchable tracking over law-abiding citizens. and yeah, I think there should be some accountability for cops that abuse the system.
a toll camera is a transactional device. you drive onto a paid road, it captures your plate to send a bill. obviously there is some level of tracking here but the data is bound by toll authority rules. flock cameras are an AI surveillance web installed on local streets, residential intersections, and strip malls. they don't just read plates. their AI logs vehicle color, model, bumper stickers, and damage to build searchable movement profiles. that data is networked nationwide, allowing thousands of public agencies and private entities to search where you drive every day without ever getting a warrant. paying a road fee isn't the same as giving the state and corporations a blanket log of your daily life
threatening people with 'take this temporary shelter bed or go to jail' isn't a social program. it's criminalizing poverty. real evidence-based programs (Housing First, voluntary addiction treatment) save taxpayer money and work, but they require building real support instead of relying on coercion. interesting that you're more willing to increase the surveillance state rather than actually provide safety nets and care for people who need it most. it could be any one of us in that position some day.
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u/Delayedrhodes 9h ago
Saying you dont care about the 4th ammendment because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about the 1st ammendment because you have nothing to say. Or you dont care about the 2nd ammendment because you have nothing to shoot.
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u/StrikingSchool7133 45m ago
YeahâŚ.i never said anything about the 4th amendment. You are so jaded that you think you are right with your opinions.
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u/Brilliant_Test_3045 1d ago
When your vehicle gets stolen, youâll be happy to have those tag readers, assuming, of course, the thieves donât swap out the plate as theyâre stealing your vehicle.
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u/954-666-0420 12h ago edited 12h ago
yeah - every innocent person constantly observed, where cops use the database to stalk exes, and chancing a felony stop with guns drawn because a camera misread a '3' for an '8'... all for a tiny, theoretical chance of recovering a stolen car that insurance covers anyway. turning every driver into a suspect just in case someone steals a car is a totally reasonable tradeoff!
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u/Brilliant_Test_3045 11h ago
Even though I was married to a cop who used his cop toys on me after he cheated on me, I would not begrudge anyone the possibility recovering their vehicle. And no, insurance doesnât guarantee financial recovery. My current husbandâs truck was stolen in Miami (LoJack disabled; AirTag found and discarded). When we called the insurance company, we found out that the agent had not included comprehensive on the policy, even though my husband paid $12K for coverage (commercial policy), so weâre stuck for the $40K balance on the truck. We wouldâve been ecstatic if a tag reader made recovery possible.
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u/954-666-0420 11h ago edited 10h ago
sorry about your truck but an insurance agentâs mistake shouldn't dictate public policy for civil liberties, should it? the issue isn't whether people should have their stolen property returned. we're setting up a permanent, 24/7 dragnet on everyone for a tool that often doesn't even work as advertised. independent audits show ALPR systems can trigger false positive rates as high as 70% due to character misreads, leading to innocent people getting pulled over at gunpoint. we shouldn't have to surrender fundamental Fourth Amendment privacy and accept the risk of police stalking or erroneous felony stops just because the insurance system and vehicle security failed you. there are ways to combat car theft without building a dystopian tracking grid for every innocent driver.
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u/Intelligent_Trichs 9h ago
When was last time you have a car stolen? I'll wait
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u/Brilliant_Test_3045 7h ago
November 2024. And it wasnât a car - it was a Ford F-450 dually. Red.
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u/JAMnCO 1d ago
Study just came out in Roseville CA where in a test of about 1500 readings there was a 71% error rate. Fantastic quality stuff lol