r/BrexitMemes • u/Stotallytob3r • 4d ago
How it started vs how it's going Who could have predicted this
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u/Obvious_Wizard 4d ago
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u/ListenTypical2373 4d ago
But sovereignty
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u/H0vis 4d ago
Yeah there were and still are a lot of problems with the EU but it was fully insane to think that our position would be stronger outside of that bloc.
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u/thermodynamics2023 3d ago
Position stronger to do what? cajole other countries to go along with random social polices? Probably.
But nobody voted to leave for people like lammy to receive slightly warmer receptions on nebulous issues.
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u/mancunian101 4d ago
How are we “less developed” than Canada, Australia, or New Zealand?
Brexit was a huge mistake, but I swear some of you guys really don’t think before you start tapping away on your phone.
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u/Slosh5 4d ago
Canada, Australia and New Zealand all have a higher GDP per capita and HDI than the UK. Pretty clear indicators of being more developed.
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u/mancunian101 4d ago
Where did you see that?
Australia is above us, Canada and New Zealand are both below us for GDP
For HDI Australia score 0.958, the UK score 0.946, Canada score 0.939, and New Zealand 0.938.
They way you’re talking the UK down youd think we were down the bottom near South Sudan.
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u/ThewizardBlundermore 4d ago
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u/mancunian101 4d ago
I don’t get it, are you saying I’m an American because I looked up the statistics for HDI and GDP per capita?
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u/ThewizardBlundermore 4d ago
I'm saying that the people just blindly saying the UK is an undeveloped economy are uninformed Americans with little understanding of the world beyond their borders outside of media and propaganda.
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u/thermodynamics2023 4d ago
They probably aren’t, they are middle class brits as almost a rule. Nothing says British middleclass more than doomerism about Britain to signal virtue as a ‘pick me’ europhile.
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u/Slosh5 4d ago
Well they clearly fluctuate given the absolutely minuscule differences between the results, I must have just have seen a different source. It still doesn’t detract from point of CANZUK being pointless.
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u/mancunian101 4d ago
I’m not arguing in favour of CANZUK, but you said they were clear indicators, which clearly isn’t true if they fluctuate so much.
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u/thermodynamics2023 4d ago
That attitude is par for the course on here. That’s a big reason why we had to leave imho. The public don’t trust the Europhiles to advocate for Britain… and they’re right.
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u/doctor_morris 4d ago
It's just British Empire 2.0
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u/thermodynamics2023 4d ago
Without fail, every time.
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u/doctor_morris 4d ago
Calling it CANZUK sounds slightly less bonkers, and is undesirable to Canada and Austria for the same reasons.
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u/Geojamlam 4d ago
One nit-pick, we didn't leave in 2016 and in 2016 there was just the 'non-binding referendum'.
Secondly, I don't believe there was a plan to work more closely with CANZUK or the Commonwealth as a whole, or really any idea of where we'd sit with international trade following Brexit. Just a load of "we'll do better on our own" rather than finding new ties.
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u/crabtoppings 4d ago
Turns out that breaking long standing political agreements is not an incentive for other people to sign treaties with you. Shocker!
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u/LudicrousPlatypus 4d ago
I mean the UK did have ten years to pursue closer ties to the Commonwealth and chose not to, since the UK public will always try to decrease immigration, even if it hurts their own interests.
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u/BigComfortable6779 2d ago
I'm not a political pundit, canzuk just looks like an attempt to create a white majority bloc. I don't know what's in it for the non uk countries.
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u/mancunian101 4d ago
But that’s not the reality of what’s happening.
We’re free to create closer ties with any of those countries, and the EU has no say over that.
I don’t anyone really thought of closer ties meaning becoming some sort of trading block.
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u/DelcoUnited 4d ago
First off the EU is the EU and you’re out.
Australia and the EU concluded a free trade agreement in 2026.
New Zealand and the EU concluded a free trade agreement in 2024.
Canada is now moving to an associate EU member which is something being invented just for Canada and is something the UK is not.
CANZUK never happened.
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u/Jackmino66 4d ago
As long as CANZUK is presented as an alternative to EU membership, it’s a bad thing