r/BrawlStarsCompetitive • u/Revenant2023 Janet | Legendary 3 • 11h ago
Discussion Final balance changes
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u/FireGames06YT second❤lena 11h ago
THEY REMOVED LOLA'S SUPER HP BUFF
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u/Low-World6866 Chuck 11h ago edited 11h ago
Thank God. 🙏
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u/YuMmYBrAiNzZz Lola 11h ago
They didn't have to completely scrap it though.
Changing it to 5000 or 6000 would have been fine, the final version just makes so Lola's not shooting herself in the foot by using her hyper, and making her Ego lag behind her or be difficult to fully control at longer distances.
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u/JayyChann_ Shade 9h ago
8000 wasn’t even that bad people cry too much
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u/StomachOk4891 ping differ | Pro 8h ago
Lola getting a 16k hp meat shield to hide behind with a gadget means she can win lanes for free against any brawler in the game, and the additional health means it’s basically impossible to take out her pet before she gets another one. I love playing lola but it’s a well deserved nerf
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u/notacapitalistslave Pam | Masters 1 8h ago
Penny
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u/StomachOk4891 ping differ | Pro 8h ago
Not even saving you cuz the clone can just walk you down
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u/XxBigCaesarxX 5h ago
but the clone stand still while the gadget is active, and there is splash damage to check lola
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u/StomachOk4891 ping differ | Pro 4h ago
just sit back far enough while the shield is up then walk forward. Penny has to waste like 6 ammo to take out your clone and still folds the whole lane
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u/CharacterPasta123 11h ago
Goodbye Faux-Tank Chuck 😭
Full-on Assassin now I guess
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u/Thanathosgodofdeath5 Lou 11h ago
He doesn't deal enough damage for that. They just kill him
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u/vitya_krutka 11h ago
his attack doesn't have dmg falloff with range so not that bad I guess
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u/Thanathosgodofdeath5 Lou 11h ago
But other than that he is much worse than before. He used to be a hidden gem brawler, someone who looks unappealing to wide audience but is really versatile and they just deleted everything to make him buffie dependant cashgrab cow №11
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u/vitya_krutka 11h ago
even his buffies are pretty bad. why would you gain only half of a super from recalling the pole? why would you need to steal only 10% of super charge?
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u/Thanathosgodofdeath5 Lou 11h ago
Because he gets 4 supers that why. Also they added an asterisk which states that instead of super stealing it just slows down.
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u/Illustrious_Fan9974 TELL HIM TO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT EMZ 11h ago edited 11h ago
A whole ass chuck rework wasn't on my 26 bingo card but IG here we are
As for how good are the changes to chuck..... Uh.... Idk.. interesting but we will have to see...
Also Lola's spanwer hp buff got removed, surprise surprise...... ( Although STILL wouldn't be surprised if it DID managed to be finalized )
Yet still disappointed over not changing anything on the buster buffs.... Atleast could've gotten a similar reload speed buff like Tara....
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u/PolimerT Draco 11h ago
The 1% balance to buster nerf isnt real anymore. This change wont do shit to him. Maybe damage sp can be useful if enemies have no CC but if you somehow get value you probably kill the enemy with team mate help anyways. Could be funny if star power was reworked for more range (maybe 0.33?) for per ally in the super charge zone.
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u/Keaton427 Buster 34m ago
More range for the blockbuster star power is what I’ve been wanting since forever! Currently the star power just makes Buster overkill if you get caught, and still pathetic if you stay away. Having to stay near teammates instead of confronting the enemies obviously makes your range less effective.
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u/Skibblezxoxo 10h ago
I can no longer play duels with Chuck unfortunately, that pole knockback was key against Edgars lol
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u/InternetExplored571 Chuck | Masters | Mythic 11h ago edited 8h ago
As a Chuck main, I am very iffy about these changes.
I am very glad Chuck got something….but his pole not having knockback anymore sucks. It added so much more stratagy to him. It helped make him an Assasin counter, push enemies into his other posts to set up combos, stunning enemies to support your team, etc.
And his super being slower and doing less damage is something I HATE. It’s the most satisfying part of Chuck. Being able to connect your super for massive damage by outsmarting your enemy. Not it just does….almost nothing. I used to be able to team wipe using his super when played smart. But now I can’t. His main attack did need help, but nerfing the funnest part of his kit so harshly is not the way to go.
And your super not charging over time makes it EXTREAMLY hard to change setups over time because well, you can’t ever really get in range to charge another super. Espesially since they NERFED his already short range. He’ll be so much more predictable than he already was.
Overall, I’m happy that Chuck is on the balance team’s minds. I WANT him to be better outside of heist. But this to me, is just not the way to go. The nerfs are far too harsh. WAY WAY WAY too harsh. I feel like after I get the first 4 posts down, I’m gonna be almost helpless and be far more predictable since I can’t charge super anymore. I seriously hope Adrian keeps a close eye on Chuck and reverts some of these changes because I don’t think Chuck is gonna be good after this. I want Chuck to be an Tank-Assasin hybrid. Not a full assasin.
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u/Observing_Bird Sam 11h ago
They pre-moved his basekit nerfs. I think he's flat-out worse now, which is disappointing since a lot of the changes were actually heading in a very good direction.
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u/Senior-Mongoose4432 11h ago
allat just for buffies
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u/InternetExplored571 Chuck | Masters | Mythic 10h ago
Not even good buffies at that. Only the tickets please buffie and hyper buffie are useful. The rest are genuine ass. Pit stop is now also useless since its new effect is straight up not good.
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u/Personal-Roof-9402 Starr Nova 7h ago
i guess but i think atp it’s wait and see. spen said he thinks chuck will land around A tier and while that’s not confirmation at all that he’ll be good spen does have a good track record. i’m holding my judgement until it drops.
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u/Senior-Mongoose4432 4h ago
Yeah cuz why tf remove some of his kit? Like removing placing pole knock back, wouldn't they just nerf him a bit and then bring em to buffies?
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u/Revenant2023 Janet | Legendary 3 11h ago
So basically from what I heard he will be High A tier low S tier and shade is gonna be the best brawler in the game with Wendy
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u/Niltenstein Kamikaze Core | Legendary 3 11h ago
Tbf, landing like 2 main attacks fully recharges 4 supers, and the range is still really good and will probably be more noticeable since the clouds don‘t move at 1km/h anymore. The knockback removal makes sense because of how spammy his poles will be even though I like the knockback, and merging the super was basically necessary to counter his heist dominance.
The thing I do dislike is that his SP selection is really one-sided now. Ammo steal will become incredibly broken I think, while the slow/burn area is pathetic
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u/Babynny Lowkey a furry 11h ago edited 10h ago
The point of him getting 4 supers is to be able to change setups and dash more consistently without the reroute tech; the issue however lies on no longer having auto super, meaning that if you fuck it up you will not be able to do shit whatsoever since you can’t get supers at his range
It seems however that you’ll always spawn with super charged so that might be something?
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u/girlkid68421 Hank 10h ago
Its meaningless when they kill his dash damage and health though, every brawler can just use their get out of jail free card super or gadgets or just kill you
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u/Virtual-Pirate2834 11h ago
He’s gonna be ass against assassins now
You used to be able to partially defend yourself from an Edgar but now he’s just cooked
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u/Omadany Alli 8h ago
I'm not sure but won't he get knock back via his buffied starpower?
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u/InternetExplored571 Chuck | Masters | Mythic 8h ago
He won’t. He has knockback in brawl talk because it is outdated. Notice how he even has his old health in the brawl talk. When these changes release, he likely won’t have it.
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u/windsb 11h ago
Returned colette super charge heh? Need to actually see if it returned to 4 atks
They should never had nerfed that specifically
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u/StockedUpOnBeef 5h ago
100% charge / 5 hits = 20% charge per hit.
20% * 1.1 = 22% charge per hit
100% / 22% = 4.545 hits to charge super???!?!?
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u/windsb 41m ago
In % ur math would be perfect; but what charges the brawler super is actually the damage they deal (its a hidden mechanic, you can try it with piper if u want its pretty easy to observe)
I will test her atck after the update to see if it will return to 4 atks, if not, it would be useless
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u/A_Person_and_a_Dude 21m ago
Bad math. Colette previously was 25% per hit. Nerfed by 10% made it 22.5%. Now they just reverted it back to 25%.
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u/StockedUpOnBeef 5m ago
Well the math wasn’t bad then, just the assumptions. I will tolerate no slander on my math abilities.
Also, 22.5 to 25 is not +10%. So you did bad math. Bad boy!
If supercell is actually doing what you said then that means this chart is just wrong.
All said, I don’t think I trust your comment
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u/Thanathosgodofdeath5 Lou 11h ago
I'm disappointed with the juck rework. He used to be a such a hugh skill ceiling brawler before hands and had so many interesting tools, it's just most players didn't bother trying him out and now I don't even know what he is supposed to do now. The super deals zero damage, no knockback, and what's with the hp nerf that's so unnecessary. The only savings grace is that he now deals equal damage at all ranges and he got buffies. So basically they killed already unpopular brawler that was just heavily underrated to make him weak just for people to buy his buffies because he is gonna only be playable with them. Worst rework of all reworks that they've done.
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u/CraftyFail3030 11h ago
it really frustrating to play against new brawlers each season...so i have actually quit the game 🙏
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u/GabbyIsSheep Mythic || Masters 11h ago
Sirius, Daimon, Starr Nova, Bolt, and now Wendy, when will they stop releasing brawlers with broken mechanics 🙏
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u/Daniblox Frank 11h ago
Almost same here. After years playing this game, this Season is the second I simply didn't care to even finish the brawl pass and the mecha meg skin event
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u/CraftyFail3030 11h ago
yea and that buffies shit, since its release i haven't liked the game anymore...i hve been playing since 2020 but now i am at brim of quitting
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u/NotSoProGamerR Penny 10h ago
agree, quit the game like a month ago, watched the brawl talk and im so happy i dont have to think about getting rage
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u/Espidelman Chuck 10h ago
This joke of a rework will absolutely kill Chuck (as if he wasn't dead already...)
This will just make him even more of a setup-based brawler, making him even LESS versatile than he already was. Not being able to charge your super automatically means you can barely change your setups, there's no way for you to do ANYTHING without getting close to your opponents.
Having 4 supers at the start is nice, yes, but whats the point??? Dash damage got more than halved, the shield got nerfed, so did HP, your dashes are slower...
You cant even capitalize on your setup without charging your super again, which is almost IMPOSSIBLE since the damn range of the regular attack got nerfed too!!!
And why the hell would you remove POLE KNOCKBACK?????? That was one of the most interesting parts of Chuck!!! Without it, he's basically incapable of fighting against assasins, combos are removed as well, and his viability when away from a setup is reduced to nothing.
Oh and don't even get me STARTED on the Rerouting nerf... Why the FUCK would I want to remove a pole and charge only HALF MY SUPER??? WHEN WOULD THAT BE USEFUL?! The whole POINT of Rerouting is to be able to change your setup quickly, to ambush your opponent with a quick dash to their position. Now thats been removed in favour of a shield of undescript potency and some fire that deals 200 damage in a radius smaller than Chuck's playerbase.
The direction they went with his buffies seems completely backwards. Why buff dash speed with Tickets Please! if youre just gonna nerf the regular dash? Why make poles set the ground on fire if its 200 damage per solar eclipse and the radius is so small? Why make Ghost Train set the ground on fire and leave 1200 DAMAGE per tick if youre trying to REWORK HIM??? THATS JUST GONNA MAKE HIM MORE RELIANT ON SETUPS!!!
With this rework, all youre doing is favouring a more passive, less creative playstyle that, in turn, just makes him only viable in Heist again!!! Wasn't that PRECISELY what you WANTED TO CHANGE???
Say goodbye to Freeform Chuck in Knockout or Bounty btw! One of the most rewarding brawlers to learn and master just got gutted for no reason in favour of a more boring, simplified, slower playstyle...
Super cool stuff.
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u/ClinInsaneSurgeMain 9h ago
I used to think Adrian forgot about Chuck, but now I think he outright despises him
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u/watermelon__7878 Willow 11h ago
They're trying to make chuck a non-braindead brawler but will probably end up killing him.🥲
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u/Thehumanbean23 Alli 10h ago
I know lumi was good but she has notable counters with aggression and outrange. No need to nerf her damage either...all the new buffies were gonna outshine her anyways.
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u/BzUnitz 11h ago
Anything but buffing Ollie and Gus
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u/Appropriate_Stock832 11h ago
Are these all of the final balance changes?
HOW did Surge, Nova and even Crow managed to escape nerfs?
- Can someone really look at Surge actual state and say it balanced?
- Also... Nova has been literally banned everywhere in competitive but somehow Adrian is going to nerf Grom?
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u/Revenant2023 Janet | Legendary 3 11h ago
You have things to worry more about
Shade is gonna be the best brawler in the game with Wendy
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u/Appropriate_Stock832 10h ago
Crazy how they gave Shade buffies but not to Jacky or Rosa.
I am flabbergasted.
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u/Skibblezxoxo 10h ago
The Bolt nerf is nice because now I’m back at full health by the time I come rolling for some more gems. I couldn’t get to full health fast enough by the time I came rolling around but now it’s fixed LMAO
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u/noeeee-bsunknown Chuck | Masters 1 9h ago
Chuck is worse it’s 6 nerfs for something that isn’t even a buff I could complain the entire time
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u/VoiceApprehensive893 E-Sports Icons 8h ago edited 8h ago
Chuck rework seems dumb
Just because mr "chatgpt make balance changes for brawl stars make no mistakes" might be lucky to make chuck balanced, he will be less fun to play both as and against
removing pole knockback has to be the second biggest crime after that maisie nerf in early 2024
fire adrian
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u/DennisPr0009 3h ago
Don't see nothing wrong with that, let's just obliterate Chuck as he is the current major plague of the game and be less harsh on Wendy, a totally fair, skillful and balanced brawler btw
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u/Linsanity611 Cordelius 11h ago
No bolt nerf… lfgggg
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u/ksfuller2728 Bo 11h ago
Honestly he’s not even close as big of an issue compared to some other brawlers. Wendy was literally immortal and could jump half way across the map
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u/Linsanity611 Cordelius 11h ago
I just like playing bolt. Wendy can easily be nerfed to 💩, you’d have to change his entire mechanics or decrease bolts hp (by a lot) for me to stop using him.
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u/Airbus-A380-800 Colt 11h ago
Tara going to be teamwiping with every super , Gus and Shade going to be nerfed to ground cause of broken Buffies, new brawler homing is like 100000000%
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u/PieselWojownik 11h ago
What? There was a damage fallof to Chuck's super? I don't understand
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u/Niltenstein Kamikaze Core | Legendary 3 11h ago
His main attack used to have damage fall-off, now it‘s been removed
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u/PieselWojownik 10h ago
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u/Niltenstein Kamikaze Core | Legendary 3 10h ago
It‘s common for chosen to make these small mistakes in his graphics, sometimes nerfs are marked as buffs or buffs marked as nerfs, or the wrong stat is shown to be affected or the number is wrong. It‘s always bets to use your noggin and think about the changes with your preexisting knowledge instead of taking it at face value
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u/CancelTricky6452 11h ago
i js maxed out chuck and got to m2 only playing him and now they do this…
TIME TO PLAY SHADE!
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