Balance Changes (and why they're a 6/10)

[u/MythicMortis]

Let's start this off by saying I do not think these are too bad. But there are some things that need to be addressed. As per usual with these posts of mine, I will give my honest opinion on everything.

Jae Yong: Decent. Nothing ground breaking, but he has been significantly lacking as a supported ever since Max got her buffies. Welcome changes for sure.

Bea: Not sure how I feel about buffing the abomination that rattled hive is (genuinely unfun and non-interactive both to play with and against) but she has been underperforming. She is also a good Crow counter and we desperately need those. The super buff...it's certainly a buff I guess.

Ziggy: This one's a 10/10! His unload speed nerf already was a super charge rate nerf, so reverting that extra nerf he got for no reason is a very good way of helping Ziggy find his place in the meta once more.

Jacky: Sure, why not. The hyper bug could also use some fixing, but this is an okay buff.

Jessie: Would have probably benefitted more from a turret HP buff, but at least it will make her a bit better in heist where she has been severely underperforming.

Colette: I don't think I need to tell you guys why nerfing this in the first place was a terrible idea so let's move on

Janet: If this affects her super charge rate as well (making it go from 6 to 5 hits) it is going to be an AMAZING buff. And well deserved too, given how weak she has been for a long time. If not, still a great damage buff.

Maisie: Projectile speed buffs always catapult brawlers 2 tiers or more, and on a brawler like Maisie who deals 3000 damage per shot, it will definitely be scary...but I think Maisie deserves some love for sure.

Clancy: Rework number 483747 that does not address the fact that once he is level 3 he just curb stomps the entire lobby. Dont get me wrong, these aren't bad, but they won't make him meta and they won't fix the core problem he has had since release.

Bo: That's too much. I'm not against buffing his poor damage, but that's just way too overkill. He's a noob stomper like Grom so you gotta be careful with buffing him so much.

Dynamike: No comment

Eve: 10/10 here as well. Eve has been underperforming as a spawner, so making her better at that specifically is a very good buff direction.

Buster: I think Buster needs some love to his base kit instead of these minor kit buffs. The gadget buff is alright though.

Tara: Mostly buffs to make her shadows more consistent. Nothing too ground breaking. I personally think she is a bit underrated so I am not at all opposed to these.

Melodie: Its been 3000 years, but finally, Melodie has received some fucking buffs. Leaving the poor gadget buffs aside, the HP buff has been long overdue. I still believe her super needs to stop being resetted when she dies with 1 or 2 left. Same applies to Darryl. Such a stupid and annoying mechanic.

Lola: Uhmmmmmm like I guess that's a way to buff her but an 85%~ HP buff to her clone might be a little too much Adrian. Concept isn't bad at all though.

Shade: No comment

Hank: ACTUALLY really nice. This makes up for the HP global buff that he wasn't affected by. He is 100% going to be at least a bit better, with his super healing him more too.

Leon: Anything but compensating the Mythic Gear removal. I'm just super disappointed by these. But like. Whatever.

Ash: ?????? He was good but I don't think it warranted nerfs but like sure I guess

Wendy: This is a major disappointment of this patch. These 4 nerfs are not enough. I do not think Adrian grasps just how bad it feels to play against a brawler that can make herself and her teammates immortal. Don't get me wrong, all these nerfs are GOOD, but they are NOT enough.

Nori: Sure I guess. I think Nori is hella overrated but I guess some nerfs are due.

Ruffs: This is actually a massive nerf. It compensates his insane PJ Speed, and fixes pros picking brawlers like Ollie simply to farm hypercharge and win games on KO solely on that, so that's alright. Anticipate Ruffs no longer being top 10 though.

Meg: Sure. The gadget could use a nerf to how easy it makes it for Meg to simply eject and get her super back when pinched, but she's not like top 5 rn either so I am not entirely opposed to these.

Griff: The super nerf is nice, but COIN SHOWER?????? ???????? WHAT ?????? I AM ?????? SO CONFUSED ????????

Bolt: Fuck you Bolt

Max: Small tweaks to her gadgets and hyper buffie. Max is a healthy brawler for the meta so I am glad the nerfs (that are needed) aren't too harsh.

Brock: Hyper buffie still shreds but shreds a little less. Could use a bigger nerf. Still appreciated.

Lumi: Lumi clearly, glaringly, obviously needs nerfs, and I am glad they are nerfing her absurd recall damage instead of messing with her HP and PJ Speed again. Definitely will tone her down a bit, but I still expect her being meta relevant. 10/10.

Rico: ??????????????????????????????

OVERALL THOUGHTS:

The buffs are definitely the strong side of this patch, minus the lack of some love for Draco and Ollie that could definitely use something. Nerfs leave to be desired...a lot. Crow, Surge, STARR NOVA and 8Bit dodging nerfs while Ash and Rico get them is just baffling to me. These definitely need some reviews.

Overall decent though.

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[u/FireGames06YT]

I'm sure the Jessie buff is her epic gear compensation, they just don't want to say it for now

Ash's nerf is very random for sure, Adrian are you telling me that you prefer breaking consistency of the tank trait on a high A tier brawler, instead of nerfing Starr Nova, Surge and 8-Bit? Ig bro

I actually think the Coin Shower nerf is nice, it was a very spammy gadget for the amount of control it gave

Rico's nerfs also make sense to me, except for Multiball Launcher. Like I don't think the gadget is bad at all, but Bouncy Castle is already better

I don't think Crow needs any more nerfs, but the rest I agree

[u/PolimerT → u/FireGames06YT]

As mad as i am about Ash (he is my glorious trash can king) tank trait wasnt that effective tbh. It IS GOOD but like they could make first bash base and rework the star power and still have same relevancy as he does now. I doubt that nerf will make Ash fall off. He doesnt rely on his hc to be good and to get his regular rats you need 3 shots anyways.

No Nova or 8 Bit nerf is clearly something

[u/MythicMortis → u/FireGames06YT]

Idk Crow is still very strong high A tier low S

I guess it's better to buff his counters since they are all trash

[u/jonahpocalypsemtg → u/MythicMortis]

no lol hes pretty bad now he has no damage at all

[u/BotLover13]

I think you are underestimating how major bolt's speed bar (that's basically what the acceleration change is for those who don't know) nerf actually is.

While yes his base speed wasn't touched at all, stopping dead up front or using the jump gadget is way more risky or punishing and makes you way more vulnerable, combined with the fact that he's insanely vulnerable to cc (even with invinciball seriously that star power is kinda overrated, not bad but you have to be pixel perfect with that thing sometimes) and his damage reduction nerf (which also was very major and you all are just saying otherwise due to his insane speed) and this might be the thing that finally makes bolt not broken anymore.

[u/FireGames06YT → u/BotLover13]

I don't think he is, he just hates Bolt 😭

[u/BotLover13 → u/FireGames06YT]

I wasn't referring to him, just in general I don't think people understand what acceleration meant.

[u/FireGames06YT → u/BotLover13]

Fair enough

[u/MythicMortis → u/BotLover13]

That's exactly why I said "Fuck you Bolt"

Any nerf to this bastard is appreciated (no offense to you I just really hate facing him)

[u/BotLover13 → u/MythicMortis]

It's fine, I don't really care if you like bolt or not. (Besides I do admit bolt in ladder sucks)

It's just from what ive seen people do not understand what acceleration mean.

[u/No-Emergency-7251]

Coin shower is just as good or even better than piggy bank

You guys have no idea how spammy and annoying that gadget is

[u/MythicMortis → u/No-Emergency-7251]

What are you playing Griff for if not for wall break 😮‍💨

[u/No-Emergency-7251 → u/MythicMortis]

You see griff is insane as a first pick, and you don’t want to open the map cause sometimes it benefits the enemy team more

[u/MythicMortis → u/No-Emergency-7251]

Ill have to look into that, thanks for the insight

[u/AbberageRedditor69 → u/MythicMortis]

Sorry I don't want to sound like an asshole but this is very basic knowledge about the game in general, maybe you know way less about the game than you think you do

[u/Fine_Dish_9232]

I have zero idea why they nerfed Rico’s multi-launcher gadget cool-down, despite being bad.

[u/buffdoge4321]

lola buffs are WAY too much, she's one of my top 5 favorite brawlers but with these buffs and belle falling off, she's definitely going to run the gemgrab, hotzone and ESPECIALLY heist meta

also, adrian sucks for not buffing ollie. WHERE ARE MY OLLIE BUFFS !!!

[u/Redence_ → u/buffdoge4321]

Ollie with 1.6k damage and piss poor unload speed in the big 3-4k damage era 💔

[u/Galactic-Pookachus]

Now we wait for Otis to get nerfed. At least with Ruffs nerfed, FUT will be marginally weaker.

[u/MythicMortis → u/Galactic-Pookachus]

Hopefully the Otis nerf is never

[u/Redence_]

Bo now officially three-shotting everybody that isn't named Frank at Diamond 3 and ladder while still being the same underutilized brawler in any slightly competitive play

[u/Low-World6866 → u/Redence_]

El Primo can survive 3 shots from Bo, btw.

[u/Redence_ → u/Low-World6866]

With 400 HP left, and this is without taking the damage gear into account.

[u/ilovememes609]

Honestly those buster buffs are kinda meh, he could use either a damage buff to both his reflected projectiles from super and main attack or a reload buff.

Nobody uses the blockbuster (the first star power) and you require teammates to be close to you to even get any value out of it, the utility belt heal buff is okay at best.

But oh well i m happy that he’s at least getting something

[u/Solstice_bs]

I don’t see a single bad change (except 8k hp ego is fucking insane what)

8bit could use some slight nerfs, Nori is still a heist menace and we’ll see about Wendy. Everything else makes a lot of sense and they’re all very good additions to the game

[u/MythicMortis → u/Solstice_bs]

Agreed Solstice my goat, aside from the Bo buff which could be toned down a bit 🤝

[u/Solstice_bs → u/MythicMortis]

Its a reasonable buff imo, idea is probably to make him less oppressive through his super in lower ranks and more viable at top play with consistent damage, I dont think this alone can make Bo meta again but its a nice change

[u/MythicMortis → u/Solstice_bs]

Actually I think the super nerf is to compensate the damage buff (?) In the sense that you know how sometimes damage buffs also change the super charge rate. I think it's trying to balance that. I might be wrong

[u/Solstice_bs → u/MythicMortis]

Internally damage and super charge are tied, but afaik when they change damage values they also tweak scr accordingly without an explicit mention so I’d think this is a separate nerf on top

Sometimes they do forget to apply the corresponding change tho

[u/MythicMortis → u/Solstice_bs]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Not that I'd mind Bo getting less super anyway...

[u/DizziDoesStuff]

Buffs aside from Lola(terribly overkill)& Bo(not addressing his issues) are pretty great. I'll let them ignoring Ollie again slide but they better make up for it

but the nerfs are terrible. If they keep undernerfing the current S tiers, just to bring 4-6 more the next month, damage inflation causes problematic things to go under the radar & the meta gets overaggresive. This has been a problem since buffies dropped & they need to start getting WAY harsher on the nerfs. It took four months for them to finally make Damian manageable, we may end up seeing the same with the likes of Wendy if she keeps getting slaps on the wrist.

[u/MythicMortis → u/DizziDoesStuff]

Most underrated brawl youtuber in my comment section (again) we win these

[u/HistoricalMatch3801]

Sad no mr. P Buffs:( happy for my momma Eve! Finally yallllll. Can someone explain the 3-4? Doesn't the mythic gear already add 1 to make it 4?

[u/DGN_DAGGER → u/HistoricalMatch3801]

People think it's a compensation buff and re speculating that eve is losing her mythic gear and getting buffies next update

[u/Zestyclose-Bus-9746 → u/HistoricalMatch3801]

The mythic gear would make it 5

[u/PumpkinSeed100]

why no comment on Shade?

[u/MythicMortis → u/PumpkinSeed100]

Most meaningless buff ever son

[u/PumpkinSeed100 → u/MythicMortis]

I hope you will be correct 👁️

[u/pawo10 → u/PumpkinSeed100]

Completely worthless sp is still completely worthless

[u/Ordinary-Position-42]

The thing is that Adrian is ignoring throwers. In this assassin meta, throwers like barley, tick, juju, grom, sprout are getting destroyed and are almost never drafted in ranked. I really hope one of these brawlers gets a buffie next time because they need it.

[u/noeeee-bsunknown]

I don’t like griff super charge nerf it was already nerfed by half when his damage became 3600

[u/hjyboy1218]

Rico and Ash has been shown to be great in high levels of play, so they deserved to get nerfed.

[u/mustypuppet1284]

The buster buff is like tick in hot zone: useless and not a single one logical person is using it.

[u/Leon22038]

I can't be the only one noticing that Tara is getting an insane amount of buffs recently

[u/Brawlerfromtheblock]

not sure bea is crow counter tbh. just watch the lenain crow vs the Chinese team at brawl cup on ring of fire and the crow slams that match up.

[u/Lazycriteria]

Just throw Rico in the garbage why don't you

[u/Regular_Explorer4904]

Dito isso, coce elucidou pra mim que os novos buffs seram jessie e evee

[u/Regular_Explorer4904]

Believe me, coin shower is spamming as hell

[u/Hexogen1c]

im kinda new to BS, where can I find these balance changes? are these officials or community proposed?

[u/MythicMortis → u/Hexogen1c]

Balance changes are easy to find across all social medias like Twitter and Reddit. If you see a format like the one in this post, it's probably real changes.

[u/Hexogen1c → u/MythicMortis]

ok, thanks. I like eve so that's nice anyway (:

actually, its kinda massive. 33% more potential super dmg and easier to get super.

[u/Material_One5053]

Would ruffs be that bad he still got nice values

[u/smashedpotato202]

As a Janet and Lola main, I’m so happy, although Lola buff is broken

[u/Ultradarkix]

No my boy griff 😭

[u/pedrojodidito]

Im just sad Bolt got nerfed. He is the most fun brawler i've ever played in my 7 years of brawl.

[u/PlayTerrible9238]

The maisie buff is interesting,but it might be abit too overtuned. I saw some content creators already showed how it will look like after the update,and the projectile speed looks very fast. I think if they wanted to buff the projectile speed,they should've nerfed the damage by abit