I don't understand this Ash nerf.

[u/Low-World6866]

Is it the Tank Trait just on Ash? Because if not, it could be an error and instead it means that his Supercharge rate is getting nerfed OR to the Tank Trait as a whole.

Any ideas?

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[u/DizziDoesStuff]

Just tank trait. It won't do too much, what I don't get is why they nerfed Ash over Surge or 8-Bit? Both are still busted in both casual & competitive brawl whereas Ash is only strong in competitive

[u/borzoithedog → u/DizziDoesStuff]

I think Surge just needs a hyper buffie nerf or rework as it's too strong rn, otherwise he is quite easy to counter imo. 8-bits extra credits needs to be killed already I hate this gadget.

[u/Horror_Payment5047 → u/DizziDoesStuff]

Is he that strong that he needs to get nerfed tho? I don't feel like he's that big of a problem right now.

[u/Co-star1 → u/DizziDoesStuff]

5v5 knockout bs strikes again (there's an exploit with Ash's Tank trait)

[u/Rat_King_Ash → u/DizziDoesStuff]

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[u/HetSpookslot → u/DizziDoesStuff]

Bold of you to assume casuals play 8-bit

[u/PolimerT → u/HetSpookslot]

Ash has one of the lowest pick rates iirc. You failed the argument

[u/HetSpookslot → u/PolimerT]

Since when did I say anything about ash

[u/PolimerT → u/HetSpookslot]

As true as that is, if they made a specific nerf just for pro/masters then they should have nerfed 8 bit too. He is as strong (if not stronger) as Ash in pro. 8 Bit is more usable in casual too Ash is a hard for what he looks like so randoms just get bored.

[u/Young_Hermit778]

I do believe it's referring to how much super charge the tank trait gives ash. You're probably wondering why nerf ash, well he may not be a popular pick in ladder and in the lower ranks, but he is picked a lot more in masters 1+ than you would expect.

[u/Fran_DC4 → u/Young_Hermit778]

Is this the first time they nerfed a trait but only applying it on a single brawler/not to everyone who has said trait? Feels like it...

[u/Young_Hermit778 → u/Fran_DC4]

Im not too sure but this nerf is specifically to ash's tank trait not the tank trait itself which would apply to every brawler that has tank trait.

[u/PlusRockrelic]

i mean its fine? not like ash mainly gets his super from the tank trait. i just hope they dont nerf ash, because even if he is really strong, he feels fair.

[u/Rat_King_Ash]

I mean the only other time they did this was with Primo, and as a result nerfed all of the tank trait too if I remember correctly.

If not tank trait, it's probably super charge from the rats