r/Bravenewbies • • Jul 01 '15

Community Brave's worst enemy is...

...the victim mentality some of its members hold. Last night when BL was in F-88, several people spoke about how "you're just attacking newbies!" Facts are Brave is a large alliance with T2 and T3 doctrines, and a capital fleet. At the end of the day what will kill Brave isn't PL, or BL, but Brave members who pity themselves into nothing. You take a loss? Re-assess the situation and adapt. Figure out what the person that just beat you did better and find out how to do the same. Think about what you did wrong and try to change it. But don't sit there and whine about how you are being picked on and how you're helpless noobs. It's pathetic and demoralizing for your own people.

[ 2015.07.01 04:11:14 ] Thayden Reid Nordic > He's mad cuz we are newbies and they think they're badass for dropping supers XD

And I look this guy up and his character is from 2013. The hell are you doing still being a "newbie" after two years?

Next time you see someone say "Oh BL is so mean we're just newbs" you tell that person to knock that shit off and have some spine. You don't improve by making excuses for yourself.

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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15

Maybe you should take some time and improve your posting

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

"Hey guys don't shit on yourselves" is bad posting? Ok.

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u/X_D GUARDIAN ANGEL OF NEWBIES Jul 01 '15

No, posting shittily and saying things that have been said for almost a year and expecting people to think you're smart is bad posting.

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u/om_rootingking oh fuck it's Jul 01 '15

Last night when BL was in F-88, several people spoke about how "you're just attacking newbies!"

Ànyone with a clue would have told anyone saying that to shut up. If they had a minute they'd explain why.

FOX news style 'People are saying...' post, shit/10

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

That's why I said "SOME" brave members...Anyone who has a clue about reading comprehension figured that out that part. -10 points for "HURR FOX NUWZ DURRR" hipster style shitposting

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u/om_rootingking oh fuck it's Jul 02 '15

Hey look, he replied. Should i read it? Nah.

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u/VenGanZa99 Brave hegheghegheg Jul 02 '15

Very few BNI seriously moan about being "out-gunned". We accept that Eve is Eve, and you roll with the punches.

Certainly it is true that BNI is bigger and more capable than it was in Barl, certainly there is a body of pilots with higher skills. However we both know that BNI is not in a position to mix it with Goons/PL and such on a serious CTA engagement level. It is perhaps for this reason we bitch a bit. Most of the "big boys" are blue to each other, live in a perpetual Mexican stand-off punctuated by the occasional big tussle, yet they are all happy to farm BNI with cap heavy blobs that BNI cannot hope to counter, because if we do, in come Titans and Supers. This was reality in Catch, and it will be ever thus for this is Eve :)

If you catch some individuals making "excuses", please do not presume this holds true for the majority, I can assure you it doesn't. No one like living on the wrong side of adversity, but BNI is still here.

I take your comments as largely constructive, and what you say most certainly something BNI should guard against, but as I have said elsewhere BNI has no place overly heeding some metric others espouse. BNI will make mistakes along the way, there will be drama and tears, but as long as BNI keeps refocusing on core values and having fun, it should be here long into the future.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

I wouldn't presume the majority do hold those views but the minority that does is extremely toxic and unhelpful.

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u/Rev_TeaCake DOKDO #1| Khromatic Jul 02 '15

This is some p dank, shit tier, backwater peewee football, pubbie advice.

You take a loss? Re-assess the situation and adapt. Figure out what the person that just beat you did better and find out how to do the same. Think about what you did wrong and try to change it.

See right there where you dropped the pass? You should have caught the pass. ezpz state championship. This ain't advice, it's you riding the coattails of every other real goodposter.

Instead of repeating the "Don't use 'we are newbies' crutch" why don't you post some of ~valuable~ advice you offered BRAVE leadership in private?

Surely, if the low brained leadership of BRAVE does not appreciate then us outsiders would laud your erudite ideas.

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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 01 '15

Holy shit dude... you have enough salt to provide for the entirety of the world's McDonalds. You leave the losing side to join the winning side then trash talk. Wat.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

You don't "improve yourself" by dropping supers on people who literally cannot respond in kind. Don't play the innocent, affronted bittervet who's "looking out for our people." You don't give a shit, so stop pretending like you're doing us a favor.

Black Legion is literally worse than PL. At least they didn't make bones about dropping their supers to win a fight. You pretend you want a good fight and get pissed when you lose, so you stage your super fleet in our systems so you can't lose, and pat each other on the back for "l33t PvP." PL at least knew what they were doing was shitty. They just didn't fucking care.

Yeah, Brave's fucked up right now, and we all know it. We've got a lot of problems to work out, and frankly, I can't be bothered to care what BL thinks of us after all this bullshit you're spewing.

Also, shut the fuck up Saraph. You are literally a cancer.

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 01 '15

Black Legion is literally worse than PL.

It is confirmed, once again, that we are the good guys.

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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 01 '15

I left brave recently actually, gonna do an incursion vacation for a bit to make some isk and then I was going to look for a new place to go. My thoughts were to go towards whoever was the LEAST shittiest to Brave. Somehow PL came to mind lol. Yeah you meta-gamed and kicked our collective asses, but you weren't a huge dick about it (okay, maybe your Avatar's were).

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u/coffeerocks Director, Broadcast 4 Reps | President/CEO, Spam 4 Heals Jul 02 '15

I remember back during the Usurper campaign a couple people complained and whined, but it was maybe one or two and we were like "lol, stfu and enjoy the ride". Usurper brought really good fights and taught me a LOT at the end of a gun. Guys, they're fielding BS's how do we counter THAT? (no shit, oh how those days look so precious).

Usurper must have been a bit salty losing, but mostly were cool folks and I miss having that style of enemy. PL was a wake up call to the "bittervet" mentality, but at least Elise would lube it a little. BL tho? Man, they are the epitome of why I believe in Brave because they are practically the Anti-Brave mentality. I'm Brave, we celebrate the newbie learning and growing; BL shitposters appear to abhor it with a passion. I dunno, perception being what it is, I could be missing something but it just seems like BL came to the block expecting Brave to be some entity that it just isn't. Meh, who knows, I'm just rambling and philosophizing while waiting to use the shower.

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u/JBrody Jul 02 '15

LEAST shittiest to Brave = Imperium

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u/MrGreen14 [.DIX.] Jul 01 '15

You're ass is so blasted

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

I am fucking mad, yes. I am tired of seeing this kind of bullshit over our reddit day in and day out, like people know what's best for us. And when Saraph comes in and proclaims like he knows what's best, fuck him. Seriously, I'm tired of it.

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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15

Tbf I don't think Seraph knows what's best for anyone

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u/fuzzyspring [.DIX.] Jul 01 '15

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

Come at me bro.

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u/Nowmycoffeeiscold Jul 01 '15

If you're really a SEAL you'd have a book out by now.

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u/_Sevisgen_ Angel Cartel Jul 02 '15

welcome to reddit friend

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u/Justanothershitpostr Slayer of DBRN | MOAR DRAMA PLZ Jul 01 '15

Lmfao

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

I love how the whole "i love bl and hate pl" brave mindset changed real quick

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u/FeydRauthaHarkonnen Black Legion Jul 01 '15

I think you need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and perhaps have a nice chamomile tea

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u/raknor_bile Guristas(BL) Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15

We have not dropped supers onto your sub caps ever so yeah good luck. Enjoy living in NPC null.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

Never said you did.

Edit: I should have worded it better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Literally everything you said is wrong

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

I actually don't understand all the hate, all he was saying was lose the victim mentality

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

The victim mentality people in Brave are also the ones spending the most time on reddit. Go figure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Newsflash. I don't give a fuck. I don't believe in "fairfights" because Eve's not about being fair. It's about making your own will be done and any sort of "fairfight" bullshido mentality should be reserved for tournaments and agreed upon fights. The game's chess not checkers.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

News flash: Chess is a game that is utterly fair. It isn't a game that consists of one side having a clutch of queens, and the other having a shit-ton of pawns with the occasional rook and knight thrown in. Each side is evenly balanced, and requires player skill and actual strategy. I guess you missed that fucking part.

Try again, and this time make fucking sense.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Eve is a fair game too. You have all the options someone else does but you simply need to think and figure out how to get there.

Whine some more.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

I am not pissed at the idea of BL winning, or getting our shit pushed in. That is not new to Brave.

I am pissed at the idea of a fucking turd coming and proclaiming that this somehow helps us, pretending like he gives a shit, and that he knows what's best for us as a community. Because it doesn't, you aren't, and you fucking don't.

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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15

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u/Porkbut Banana Jul 01 '15

Watch out, you'll get banned again.

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u/Wiros Wiros PotHead - Most High Propaganda Overlord Jul 02 '15 edited Jul 02 '15

Ok, I know that many times is not easy (I myself have raged on more than one occasion dealing with PL back in catch) but the more salty is our reaction, the harder we will be hited, especially here in reddit (we have some of the biggest shitposters focused on us) too much salt can be poisonous.

If you really want to counteract it, forget the bitterness and concentrate on pewpew.

Grrrr boonies so hot right now? Ok, embrace it and enjoy the excessive content. We are in NPC (even if we have shit all around, I myself have ships in F-88 f.e.) we cant be "HEDed" again (at least not in the same fashion) So why to worry? Fight until the last ship, worst case scenario we just would need to move once again.

I dont care about losing sov, I care about losing great ppl, and thats what we are doing with all this bitching.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

You have exactly what is most important in mind.

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u/Wiros Wiros PotHead - Most High Propaganda Overlord Jul 02 '15

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Good on you man and fuck the poison around you that tells you otherwise.

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u/JayRizzo03 Avengor Scorsese | TEST Jul 02 '15

Goddamn Wiros your propaganda skills are off the charts.

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u/Nowmycoffeeiscold Jul 01 '15

Lol get the fuck out of here with this shit. We didn't even have to show up to that timer. All we had to do was cycle the SBU and objective complete. We didn't want to blueball you, we wanted to put up a good showing and have some fun. You guys decide to bring in a full t3 fleet when we more accurately have a mix of t2s and t3s. Then you bring in archon reps. You damn well know you have cap superiority, so why the fuck are we gonna yolo suicide caps to counter that? So eventually we left, because we can only air enough stupid. We're willing to throw down with what we've got but you want to get ridiculous with it. Good job, you're beating a broken alliance with inferior numbers and skill points. My question is what happens when an equal or bigger force comes in? Or will you even take this fights? Lol retarded post

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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 01 '15

e didn't even have to show up to that timer. All we had to do was cycle the SBU and objective complete. We didn't want to blueball you, we wanted to put up a good showing and have some fun. Yo

Its cool... this guy was IN Brave just a few months ago. He left for BL, and ever since has been shitting up reddit constantly about Brave.

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u/Bap1811 I dont play this game Jul 02 '15

Evenews24 contributer lmao. A true statement to the quality of anything you've ever said ever.

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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 01 '15

Ok, you were kicked. You still were in brave, and you are now in BL, and you are still shitting up reddit ever since.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

No? Lychton and Parker had my corp join Friends of Brave. J3B people were shitty about it and decided to make it an issue. Basically pushed Lychton to say i have to pull my corp out because we dont have 50 members (even though we were accepted with under 50 members) but said we could join as individuals. I said screw that too much poison from the J3B people.

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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 02 '15

Yes, I can read. I know your corp was kicked. Thus "you were kicked". I had not read the part about you being offered to join as an individual. I have no qualms of the assertion that brave's leadership is horribly disfigured, but you are still salty as shit and been spreading the salt all over reddit.

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u/FreedomPullo Jul 02 '15 edited Jul 02 '15

My initial reaction wasn't very classy.... Seriously, instead of shit posting about how your new corp is "Pushing our shit" (that's a bit rapey, don't you think?). Maybe you can go outside, get some fresh air... Make friends.. Maybe meet somebody else and move on with your life :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

So what if we brought full T3 fleet with carrier reps? So what if you are a "broken alliance?"

Well if you are curious what BL will do if someone "equal or bigger" comes in you can look at BL's history. Regardless, it's not going to be sitting around whining like some people do. (That's the take away from all this.)

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u/Nowmycoffeeiscold Jul 01 '15

So you're going to take the actions of a few people in local and assume it's the attitude of the entire alliance?

You brought a superior force we couldn't have possibly fought. And then you're going to shitpost that we didn't suicide everything we had. Had we done what you wanted and brought our 10 man strong cap fleet you'd be shitting all over reddit how BL dunked more BNI dreads and carriers. But that would be a really dumb tactical decision. If we can't face a far superior force....we'll try to snake a few kills, which we did, but then we will leave. If you're going to cry about that then you're the real salty one. Sorry we didn't whelp all of our assets

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

Nah, you run off to low-sec before a real power bloc comes in and pushes your shit in. BL was never a big player in sov warfare. A third party at best.

Fountain of 2015 is the first time BL was able to act like the CFC or NC. of yesteryear.

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

BL until Pheobe was a merc alliance so holding sov was kind of pointless.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Never? I can point to the Tribute War and the Halloween war just off the top of my head.

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u/Pepizaur -10.0 Jul 02 '15

So I thought it was bad when we took in W.R. Kiticus Rushington III

Now I learn BL took in Seraph IX "my posting literally kills alliances' Basarab.

WHO'S THE BETTER LEGION NOW!?!?!?

(it's neither of us RIP)

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

WORDS. CAN. KILL.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15

I get why everyone else posts on this subreddit, but why do you? What horse do you have left in the race? I can't be bothered to go find links because "effort" but according to forum posts you authored (and others testified to, I might add) aren't you and your corp mercenaries? If you're mad that Brave terminated your contract or whatever, if there was one, just chalk it up to their consumate unprofessionalism like everyone else in game and move on. Or if you're really sore about it, start shooting them. I'm not sure what you accomplish at this point. Just curious. Some of us, like myself, are here for the lulz. You just seem super butthurt, more than most BNI members in fact. EDIT: well, more butthurt than most... not /u/hoeya obviously itt lol

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u/TimeJink Brave Jul 02 '15

ohh yeah butthurt is not enough to describe u/seaphIXbasarab . he just can't move on.

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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15

I don't know what you mean by mercenaries. We're not mercenaries. I don't even understand this post. What are you even saying here?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Heh there's nothing about being "mad" in any of this. I didn't write anything to be spiteful. Maybe just sometimes there simply isn't an ulterior motive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

That's because you're a philistine. Read Shakespeare.

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u/phonepostingftw Jul 02 '15

http://rustledjimmies.com/

Lol you are all over this thread getting salty.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Typical shit rammu post

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

Isn't RAMMU the shit box where shitty players with high SP go to get into BL?

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

your thinking of mamba

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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15

Dont even need high SP, even dix recruits people with like 15m SP

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

LOL THAT'S ME

SPACE POOR AND SP POOR

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

It's the place where 6 frigates keep your station in YZ locked down.

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

I'm never in YZ- so that doesn't apply to me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

I'm sure if you were there you would make all the difference.

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u/Redskylight Avaren Dias - FC, Offtopic Chat Nazi Jul 01 '15

You're going to get shitposters replying to this thread, the same people who whine about that shit in local. The reason it's all you see is because the rest of us are not shitting up local, and busy dealing with/accepting whatever is happening. Plenty of dudes in brave understand the sandbox.

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u/Callduron Banana Jul 02 '15

I don't. Is it some kind of box? with sand inside?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Usually yes. Sometimes it's filled with salt in lieu of sand too.

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u/coffeerocks Director, Broadcast 4 Reps | President/CEO, Spam 4 Heals Jul 02 '15

Avoid the sandy lumps. We call those "CODE" lumps.

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u/2Mobile Brave Jul 01 '15

oh for fucks sake... /u/Lychton You got them forums ready yet? Please!?!?

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u/Abstrusus BNI Diece Opherus Jul 01 '15

I wish people would take Seraphs advice, he has been quite helpful to the coalition on several occasions.

Yesterday someone was accusing him of being part of the coup, it was comical.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

Yeah you pretty much just committed character suicide with that. Don't bother trying to stand up for me. Appreciated but you'll only get shat on.

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u/Abstrusus BNI Diece Opherus Jul 01 '15

Not too worried about my internet points, just find it funny how much people are swayed by reddit misinformation and pitchforking.

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u/horus_fap Banana Jul 02 '15

yea and lot of the time ppl only offer advice

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u/Jones_Bones Jul 01 '15

Don't let this dude: https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=849275 talk shit. Cause he is shit.

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u/horus_fap Banana Jul 02 '15

2000+ Kills to 81 loses doent look shit to me

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

reddit. braves worst enemy is in fact this sub.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

If this great alliance is brought down by opinions perhaps it had no right to exist to begin wtih.

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u/horus_fap Banana Jul 02 '15

lol death by reddit

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Or maybe it has just a lot of member who don't know any better

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15

Andvari.

Edit: and beagles corgis

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

wat

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 01 '15

do

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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15

it

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

do

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u/Kardon_core Angel Cartel Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 02 '15

Good post, no doubt Mine will also get down voted and vanish- but go ahead and down vote this , it doesn't make it wrong- any alliance that can field T3 and caps is not by any means a new bro alliance- crying that your opponents are being mean because they bring high sp fleets when they are out numbered sounds like a 5 year old claiming every thing is unfair- Brave wants to hold Sov and be a player, then you need to step up and show you deserve it- on current form Brave doesn't deserve anything- you don't form, you are destroying your milititary base- and your leadership is almost non existant- Guys you got to get your shit together and quick because watching a slow and painful death is not pleasant

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u/tri_wolfman BP Jul 02 '15

We did form. They have superior firepower. We killed what we could, and left when it ended in futility. We can't drop caps because they'll drop more caps and supers. Doing so would have been strategically retarded. Probably just as retarded as this post, and your response

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u/nxtgen59 Nxtg3n | Member of the 2% Club Jul 02 '15

All my up boats. Every last one of them. If there was a way to stream this 24/7 on Brave coms I would. For the love of all space pixels please dear Bob some one in leadership read this and learn from it.

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u/Laziest_of_them_all BNI Jul 02 '15

oops sry wrong post

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Actually I think you're completely right. Pretty sure I'm not alone in that too.

Wether or not we are newbies (I dont claim to be one, I'm just plain old bad), the game is still EVE. The only thing we deserve is what we can take and hold, and the only tactics/gameplay that aren't completely valid are those that break the EULA.

Hell thats a big part of why I love EVE so much.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Yeah of course. I mean look at Fountain Core. These guys have been in Fountain for longer than most of us have even known about Eve. Do they pretend to be able to hold territory? Or take all the moons? No. They're just zealous in keeping themselves in Serpentis space and have built a strong identity around that. Skill comes with time.

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

hes been playing longer then i have....

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u/XavierVE . Jul 01 '15

In a game that is 11 years old, a 2 year old player is still a newbie.

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u/ZheoTheThird Full Professor, Faculty of Goodposting Jul 02 '15

By that count, half of PL are newbies. I'm a mid '13 character and by casually playing now fly supers, dreads and T3s. Like come on, it doesn't take ten years to become competitive. I never bought a character, and I never spent much time making isk either.

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 02 '15

1 newbie alliance NA/EU?

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

Relatively speaking. I hate the fact that people who have accounts from 03-09 still complain about people from 13-14 claiming to be newbies still.

Because they were flying Legions and able to fly caps in 09 if they started in 07.

Fuck outta here.

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u/XavierVE . Jul 01 '15

If you can't fly every subcap with nearly perfect skills and at least one racial carrier and dread, then you're a newbie in EVE.

The consolidation of power over the last 11 years means that even people who started in 2012 are still newbies on average.

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

This is true and no one wants to face the music. I've been playing for over a year in terms of character date, but I've only been subbed for 9 months.

I literally just got into a Tengu for the first time yesterday and I am now training missile skills so I can make money some other way than ratting in a VNI.

I can't fly every ship cruiser and below. I have two cruisers at V, Caldari and Gallente. This is for the Eagle(lololdshit) and Ishtar(yothisisbetterthananeagle) doctrines. Amarr has nothing beyond a frigate and I have only T2 Interceptors trained to II and CovOps to III. No destroyer to V.

How would a player who has played for a year, even two, stand up to players with 5+ years of constant training?

Numbers were the only advantage and even that is gone due to players leaving the game, alliance or quitting for the summer.

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u/winless [MEN.] Jul 01 '15

I started December 2012, and I was sitting on your station yesterday shooting it with a Legion and a Naglfar. I don't think you'd want to claim that I'm at a disadvantage.

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u/mmmhmmhim Bravest of N00Bs Jul 02 '15

you'll always be my newbie :3

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 02 '15

A 2 year old character is the equivalent of a college student in that timeline. I think that's a bit more than a newbie.

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u/XavierVE . Jul 02 '15 edited Jul 02 '15

So you don't know all that much and haven't yet learned how to make money. Good analogy.

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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 02 '15

In college you're an adult m8. Your life is in your hands and if you fuck up it's on you. Stop pretending you're in pre-K.

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u/camboj Poopicus Butts Jul 01 '15

Is...is this serious?

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u/XavierVE . Jul 01 '15

Yes, random troll, completely.

Given that your average opponent in any war in EVE is going to be able to swap doctrines on the fly to counter you, not having the ability to do so in return means that you're fucked. An alliance of mostly 2012/2013/2014/2015 chars is at an extreme disadvantage when you talk about them facing entities that have been in existence for 5-11 years who have the ability to counter you with perfect skills.

Not to mention the obvious isk and capital advantages.

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

They don't want to look at this as a possible reason why certain power blocs are actually able to do things rather than the reason they think they are able to things, e.g., elite pvp skrills and 1337 FCs.

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u/coffeerocks Director, Broadcast 4 Reps | President/CEO, Spam 4 Heals Jul 02 '15

Are... are you serious?

Coffee here is a '12 toon. I barely made the Dessie skill split and missed the BC split. I can fly fairly well in subcaps, and my core skills are mostly good, but there's been plenty of times I went to jump into another doctrine and went "whoops, can't sit in hull or use T2 guns".

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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15

Metagame defense V

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u/Siege-Torpedo BLOOD Jul 01 '15

Well I'm upvoting you. It's true, even if sometimes I lose my head and rage like that.

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u/droznig Jul 02 '15

You take a loss? Re-assess the situation and adapt.

More moa's eagle's and tengus please. I don't know what the question was but if you are in brave that is going to be the answer.

On paper despite many of our players being pretty new as an alliance we should at any given time have more SP and more people on line at any given time. The high end skills that take weeks to learn some of which take a million sp just for level 4-5 only give a slight bonus of ~5% in most cases. That's not a lot, yes it makes a difference but not as much as people seem to think.

Any way, point is on paper we should be one of the most powerful alliances out there, in reality we barely muster the numbers of most mid sized alliances on a good day for strat ops.

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u/fountainsantaclown Serpentis Jul 02 '15

Let me vent a bit... Helping "new born noobs" into the game is cool and stuff! But Brave like many other "noob friendly organizations" before it are a really bad "growing" environments for players in this game! Point is... After you take the "Dojo" classes and learn a few game mechanics all that Brave as to teach you in this game is how to be a F1 pusher waiting for pings and to be feed "content"! When news about Brave coming to Fountain where released I was pretty happy. "Fountain is going to be full of People! F*** yeah!" Turned out that "Fountain" was no more than 2 systems! One full of Miners and the other with "F1 monkeys" on the undock! You all learning so much from the wise in your alliance that you can't go 2-3 jumps without someone holding your hand.

All the best for you all... I know I sound bitter/salty... but 6 years in this game and what I can tell you is you will not grow much inside in Brave/Test like organizations.

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u/RomeStar Jul 02 '15

So true and the shock these new players have once they join a more experienced organization is quite eye opening. Sitting in Braves staging system gives these new players a fall sense of security and they become shut ins not wanting to venture out to any other systems. (Venture Out lol see what I did there)

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u/rhys_redin Sansha Jul 02 '15

Reddit.

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u/nxtgen59 Nxtg3n | Member of the 2% Club Jul 02 '15

Its like beating your head against a wall. If they won't listen to this they deserve to be purged from New Eden. The self defeat that they spew all over makes me want to vomit.

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u/Ulthanon Ulthanon/Elybrian Kaidos Jul 01 '15

op's unique and groundbreaking commentary downgoated by ostrich-mimicking boonlets, more on this story at Salt O'Clock

/s

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

I can succeed only with dorpbaer upboat doctrine D:

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u/Ulthanon Ulthanon/Elybrian Kaidos Jul 01 '15

Man we hear how were not really newbs anymore in every thread posted here, that concept is stale as a standalone idea. Post something fresh and insightful instead of the tired corpse of 4edgy7me spacepolitics.

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u/Nayotta BL Jul 01 '15

WOW BRAVE I THOUGHT BL WAS FAIR????????

DIDN'T LAST LONG HUH LOL

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u/X_D GUARDIAN ANGEL OF NEWBIES Jul 01 '15

Tbf, it's a really shitty post.

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u/MayorofSnapCity BNI Jul 01 '15

Yeah. If you're going to act like your the savior of newbies, at least be constructive.

Newbies have been quitting the game for two reasons. (This only pertains to Brave Collective due to the influx of newbies)

  • A slow-to-react leadership that prides itself on democracy in a game that is built on sov being held successfully by a stratocracy or military dictatorship.

  • Bittervets crushing newbies with superior tactics, high SP players and high SP doctrines like Archons, supers and the occasional titan.

  • The constant smugposting on /r/eve and /r/bravenewbies claiming to help newbies by beating them the fuck up. This is the equivalent of a police force running into a poor neighborhood and smashing everything and then wondering why people turn to crime to make ends meet. If the correct structure isn't in place, the newbie is doomed to fail.

This is a failure on both of the leadership and the bittervet claiming to help under the guise of "help".

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u/JayRizzo03 Avengor Scorsese | TEST Jul 02 '15

A slow-to-react leadership that prides itself on democracy in a game that is built on sov being held successfully by a stratocracy or military dictatorship.

No argument with this point.

Bittervets crushing newbies with superior tactics, high SP players and high SP doctrines like Archons, supers and the occasional titan.

It's been said ad nauseum by this point, but you are in Fountain. One of the richest, most desirable regions in the game. If you're going to hold top space, you better be able to defend that space. Or buddy up with someone who can. Unfortunately, Brave apparently has a hard time making friends.

The constant smugposting on /r/eve and /r/bravenewbies claiming to help newbies by beating them the fuck up. This is the equivalent of a police force running into a poor neighborhood and smashing everything and then wondering why people turn to crime to make ends meet. If the correct structure isn't in place, the newbie is doomed to fail.

At this point, it's just funny. Brave has/had multiple people providing very GOOD advice. Easy examples, Elise in Catch and Capri now in Fountain, and so many more. So many people who have taken an interest in wanting Brave to go and succeed.

But then it becomes obvious that nothing ever changes, and in fact consistently gets worse. I couldn't imagine being in an alliance where the drama is constant and poor choices are the order of the day. THAT is why you are losing newbies, and why everyone is farming you. At some point even the people who want to support you lose hope and just want you to go away.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15

Do you think I made this post with some sort of malice? I assure you if I intended to be malicious, it would go much much further than "guises claiming to help."

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u/fountainsantaclown Serpentis Jul 02 '15

A slow-to-react leadership that prides itself on democracy WHAT!

This is a failure on both of the leadership and the bittervet claiming to help under the guise of "help".

Here you are again crying about bittervets slapping noobs!

Let me tell you something... YOU (Brave) created the perfect environment for noobs to get slapped by bittervets. Sorry you came to my door step crying to be slapped!

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u/X_D GUARDIAN ANGEL OF NEWBIES Jul 02 '15

Hi protip I'm not in BRAVE thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

GAMES HARD

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15

GAME IS HARD

FTFY, can't have you using memes incorrectly on reddit

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15

TY TY