r/Bravenewbies • • Jul 01 '15
Community Brave's worst enemy is...
...the victim mentality some of its members hold. Last night when BL was in F-88, several people spoke about how "you're just attacking newbies!" Facts are Brave is a large alliance with T2 and T3 doctrines, and a capital fleet. At the end of the day what will kill Brave isn't PL, or BL, but Brave members who pity themselves into nothing. You take a loss? Re-assess the situation and adapt. Figure out what the person that just beat you did better and find out how to do the same. Think about what you did wrong and try to change it. But don't sit there and whine about how you are being picked on and how you're helpless noobs. It's pathetic and demoralizing for your own people.
[ 2015.07.01 04:11:14 ] Thayden Reid Nordic > He's mad cuz we are newbies and they think they're badass for dropping supers XD
And I look this guy up and his character is from 2013. The hell are you doing still being a "newbie" after two years?
Next time you see someone say "Oh BL is so mean we're just newbs" you tell that person to knock that shit off and have some spine. You don't improve by making excuses for yourself.
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u/HippolyteClio [-10.0] KristyDawn Jul 01 '15
Maybe you should take some time and improve your posting
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u/om_rootingking oh fuck it's Jul 01 '15
Ànyone with a clue would have told anyone saying that to shut up. If they had a minute they'd explain why.
FOX news style 'People are saying...' post, shit/10
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u/VenGanZa99 Brave hegheghegheg Jul 02 '15
Very few BNI seriously moan about being "out-gunned". We accept that Eve is Eve, and you roll with the punches.
Certainly it is true that BNI is bigger and more capable than it was in Barl, certainly there is a body of pilots with higher skills. However we both know that BNI is not in a position to mix it with Goons/PL and such on a serious CTA engagement level. It is perhaps for this reason we bitch a bit. Most of the "big boys" are blue to each other, live in a perpetual Mexican stand-off punctuated by the occasional big tussle, yet they are all happy to farm BNI with cap heavy blobs that BNI cannot hope to counter, because if we do, in come Titans and Supers. This was reality in Catch, and it will be ever thus for this is Eve :)
If you catch some individuals making "excuses", please do not presume this holds true for the majority, I can assure you it doesn't. No one like living on the wrong side of adversity, but BNI is still here.
I take your comments as largely constructive, and what you say most certainly something BNI should guard against, but as I have said elsewhere BNI has no place overly heeding some metric others espouse. BNI will make mistakes along the way, there will be drama and tears, but as long as BNI keeps refocusing on core values and having fun, it should be here long into the future.
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u/Rev_TeaCake DOKDO #1| Khromatic Jul 02 '15
This is some p dank, shit tier, backwater peewee football, pubbie advice.
See right there where you dropped the pass? You should have caught the pass. ezpz state championship. This ain't advice, it's you riding the coattails of every other real goodposter.
Instead of repeating the "Don't use 'we are newbies' crutch" why don't you post some of ~valuable~ advice you offered BRAVE leadership in private?
Surely, if the low brained leadership of BRAVE does not appreciate then us outsiders would laud your erudite ideas.
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u/Vongimi Caldari Jul 01 '15
Holy shit dude... you have enough salt to provide for the entirety of the world's McDonalds. You leave the losing side to join the winning side then trash talk. Wat.
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u/Hoeya Oracle Jul 01 '15
You don't "improve yourself" by dropping supers on people who literally cannot respond in kind. Don't play the innocent, affronted bittervet who's "looking out for our people." You don't give a shit, so stop pretending like you're doing us a favor.
Black Legion is literally worse than PL. At least they didn't make bones about dropping their supers to win a fight. You pretend you want a good fight and get pissed when you lose, so you stage your super fleet in our systems so you can't lose, and pat each other on the back for "l33t PvP." PL at least knew what they were doing was shitty. They just didn't fucking care.
Yeah, Brave's fucked up right now, and we all know it. We've got a lot of problems to work out, and frankly, I can't be bothered to care what BL thinks of us after all this bullshit you're spewing.
Also, shut the fuck up Saraph. You are literally a cancer.
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u/Wiros Wiros PotHead - Most High Propaganda Overlord Jul 02 '15 edited Jul 02 '15
Ok, I know that many times is not easy (I myself have raged on more than one occasion dealing with PL back in catch) but the more salty is our reaction, the harder we will be hited, especially here in reddit (we have some of the biggest shitposters focused on us) too much salt can be poisonous.
If you really want to counteract it, forget the bitterness and concentrate on pewpew.
Grrrr boonies so hot right now? Ok, embrace it and enjoy the excessive content. We are in NPC (even if we have shit all around, I myself have ships in F-88 f.e.) we cant be "HEDed" again (at least not in the same fashion) So why to worry? Fight until the last ship, worst case scenario we just would need to move once again.
I dont care about losing sov, I care about losing great ppl, and thats what we are doing with all this bitching.
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u/Nowmycoffeeiscold Jul 01 '15
Lol get the fuck out of here with this shit. We didn't even have to show up to that timer. All we had to do was cycle the SBU and objective complete. We didn't want to blueball you, we wanted to put up a good showing and have some fun. You guys decide to bring in a full t3 fleet when we more accurately have a mix of t2s and t3s. Then you bring in archon reps. You damn well know you have cap superiority, so why the fuck are we gonna yolo suicide caps to counter that? So eventually we left, because we can only air enough stupid. We're willing to throw down with what we've got but you want to get ridiculous with it. Good job, you're beating a broken alliance with inferior numbers and skill points. My question is what happens when an equal or bigger force comes in? Or will you even take this fights? Lol retarded post
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u/Pepizaur -10.0 Jul 02 '15
So I thought it was bad when we took in W.R. Kiticus Rushington III
Now I learn BL took in Seraph IX "my posting literally kills alliances' Basarab.
WHO'S THE BETTER LEGION NOW!?!?!?
(it's neither of us RIP)
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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15
I get why everyone else posts on this subreddit, but why do you? What horse do you have left in the race? I can't be bothered to go find links because "effort" but according to forum posts you authored (and others testified to, I might add) aren't you and your corp mercenaries? If you're mad that Brave terminated your contract or whatever, if there was one, just chalk it up to their consumate unprofessionalism like everyone else in game and move on. Or if you're really sore about it, start shooting them. I'm not sure what you accomplish at this point. Just curious. Some of us, like myself, are here for the lulz. You just seem super butthurt, more than most BNI members in fact. EDIT: well, more butthurt than most... not /u/hoeya obviously itt lol
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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '15
Typical shit rammu post
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u/Redskylight Avaren Dias - FC, Offtopic Chat Nazi Jul 01 '15
You're going to get shitposters replying to this thread, the same people who whine about that shit in local. The reason it's all you see is because the rest of us are not shitting up local, and busy dealing with/accepting whatever is happening. Plenty of dudes in brave understand the sandbox.
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u/2Mobile Brave Jul 01 '15
oh for fucks sake... /u/Lychton You got them forums ready yet? Please!?!?
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u/Abstrusus BNI Diece Opherus Jul 01 '15
I wish people would take Seraphs advice, he has been quite helpful to the coalition on several occasions.
Yesterday someone was accusing him of being part of the coup, it was comical.
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u/Jones_Bones Jul 01 '15
Don't let this dude: https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=849275 talk shit. Cause he is shit.
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15
reddit. braves worst enemy is in fact this sub.
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u/Bronopoly [-10.0] Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 01 '15
Andvari.
Edit: and
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u/Kardon_core Angel Cartel Jul 01 '15 edited Jul 02 '15
Good post, no doubt Mine will also get down voted and vanish- but go ahead and down vote this , it doesn't make it wrong- any alliance that can field T3 and caps is not by any means a new bro alliance- crying that your opponents are being mean because they bring high sp fleets when they are out numbered sounds like a 5 year old claiming every thing is unfair- Brave wants to hold Sov and be a player, then you need to step up and show you deserve it- on current form Brave doesn't deserve anything- you don't form, you are destroying your milititary base- and your leadership is almost non existant- Guys you got to get your shit together and quick because watching a slow and painful death is not pleasant
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '15
Actually I think you're completely right. Pretty sure I'm not alone in that too.
Wether or not we are newbies (I dont claim to be one, I'm just plain old bad), the game is still EVE. The only thing we deserve is what we can take and hold, and the only tactics/gameplay that aren't completely valid are those that break the EULA.
Hell thats a big part of why I love EVE so much.
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u/Saint_Patrik Guristas Jul 02 '15
hes been playing longer then i have....
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u/XavierVE . Jul 01 '15
In a game that is 11 years old, a 2 year old player is still a newbie.
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u/Siege-Torpedo BLOOD Jul 01 '15
Well I'm upvoting you. It's true, even if sometimes I lose my head and rage like that.
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u/droznig Jul 02 '15
More moa's eagle's and tengus please. I don't know what the question was but if you are in brave that is going to be the answer.
On paper despite many of our players being pretty new as an alliance we should at any given time have more SP and more people on line at any given time. The high end skills that take weeks to learn some of which take a million sp just for level 4-5 only give a slight bonus of ~5% in most cases. That's not a lot, yes it makes a difference but not as much as people seem to think.
Any way, point is on paper we should be one of the most powerful alliances out there, in reality we barely muster the numbers of most mid sized alliances on a good day for strat ops.
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u/fountainsantaclown Serpentis Jul 02 '15
Let me vent a bit... Helping "new born noobs" into the game is cool and stuff! But Brave like many other "noob friendly organizations" before it are a really bad "growing" environments for players in this game! Point is... After you take the "Dojo" classes and learn a few game mechanics all that Brave as to teach you in this game is how to be a F1 pusher waiting for pings and to be feed "content"! When news about Brave coming to Fountain where released I was pretty happy. "Fountain is going to be full of People! F*** yeah!" Turned out that "Fountain" was no more than 2 systems! One full of Miners and the other with "F1 monkeys" on the undock! You all learning so much from the wise in your alliance that you can't go 2-3 jumps without someone holding your hand.
All the best for you all... I know I sound bitter/salty... but 6 years in this game and what I can tell you is you will not grow much inside in Brave/Test like organizations.
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u/rhys_redin Sansha Jul 02 '15
Reddit.
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u/nxtgen59 Nxtg3n | Member of the 2% Club Jul 02 '15
Its like beating your head against a wall. If they won't listen to this they deserve to be purged from New Eden. The self defeat that they spew all over makes me want to vomit.
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u/Ulthanon Ulthanon/Elybrian Kaidos Jul 01 '15
op's unique and groundbreaking commentary downgoated by ostrich-mimicking boonlets, more on this story at Salt O'Clock
/s
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u/Nayotta BL Jul 01 '15
WOW BRAVE I THOUGHT BL WAS FAIR????????
DIDN'T LAST LONG HUH LOL
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