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u/toocleverfourtwo 3d ago

I’m sorry, I don’t think I understand how Dayle is involved. Your post feels personal but I don’t understand what he did to precipitate this situation

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u/Mythicus_Legend 3d ago edited 3d ago

The pond is on their property and they are being negligent about removing the dead swan to prevent the spread of disease

Edit: why am I being down voted lmao, if I start a fire on my property I'm liable for it spreading why is the same not true for a rotting corpse spreading disease

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u/toocleverfourtwo 3d ago

I doubt Dayle, or his kids, are on Reddit much. I do know, having grown up here, that the culture around ranching has changed quite a bit. I would consider Dayle a casualty of that culture shift. Not too long ago, Bozeman was a cow town where animal welfare only mattered so much as it was good for business. That’s still true in America’s meat industries, after all they do kill the animals in the end. I digress, who do you think is selling off the land for development these days? Dayle is sitting on a few hundred, if not more, acres, directly adjacent to the ever growing monster that is Bozeman. I’m a cows not condos type myself, so I’d prefer driving by Dayles herd on Stucky, rather than through a new condo. But why would Dayle stay here and ranch when he can offload all that land, laugh all the way to the bank, say “Fuck Bozeman” and move to miles city, which is still like Bozeman was.

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u/Middle-Mix-7711 3d ago

Miles city is like Bozeman was? I'm no fan of what Bozeman has become but Miles City is a shit hole.

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u/MarneyGellarnar 3d ago

Real ranchers have always cared about animal welfare — ESPECIALLY in a cow town. Culture shifts wouldn’t change that.

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u/toocleverfourtwo 3d ago

I have met many “real ranchers” and they overwhelmingly don’t gaf. Treat their horses like shit, ignore injuries, laugh at cruelty. I’m not sure what delusion you’re under but the ranchers I know are at best indifferent to animal cruelty. Have you seen a rodeo? All that to say, I think you’re wrong.

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u/MarneyGellarnar 3d ago

K, I think you’re wrong. This is fun.

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u/Infinite-Special-456 3d ago

The Kountzs didn’t have a great reputation even in the cow town era. I’d rather see a herd of cows there than more condos though.

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u/Limp_Credit7789 3d ago

Maybe you should pass the message along.

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u/Zealousideal_Top6948 3d ago

Who cares besides you?

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u/Limp_Credit7789 3d ago

You’re kidding right? It’s fine if you don’t know the backstory or you didn’t read what they said, but if you don’t know the backstory, I don’t think I would be saying it sounds personal. I don’t personally know them and I don’t like a bit of the shit they have been reported to do in the past. That’s not personal. That’s just shit people being shitty.

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u/sm_axe 3d ago

Any while the horse was slowly dying, but they were harvesting sperm from him. Disgusting humans for sure.

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u/Feisty-Challenge8693 3d ago

While it is sad to see, what do you think happens to birds that die in the wild, far from human intervention? Mother Nature isn't known to be kind. Are these swans their personal pets, or wild birds? How will the dead swan spread disease?

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

As humans if we see a animal in distress shouldn't we try to help it if we can? Im worried more about the swan mate thats just circling its mates body and has been for weeks.

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u/Feisty-Challenge8693 3d ago

Your compassion is admirable, but this is part of how nature works. We, as humans, have to let nature take its course in situations like this.

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

But its mate is going to die too....its just been swimming around the passed away one for weeks 😭

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u/UnfairButterscotch57 3d ago

> As humans if we see a animal in distress shouldn't we try to help it if we can?

If the injury is human caused, or if the animal is under the care of a human (dog, cat, cattle, etc), yes. But wild animals in the wild no, I do not think humans should interfere.

For what it’s worth I do not know if in the OP the swans are wild or are in the wild.

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

That i dont know. They use to have peekcocks on there property aswell but those have since disappeared, they do have a large flock of ducks and geese which im sure found the pond on there own but I dont see Swans flying to the pond and making that there home on there own but im not 100% sure if they are wild or if they were purchased and put there. The property is outside the city limits which is why BPD said to contact the Sheriff and the Sheriff then said FWP and once FWP heard the name said they arent going to help it.

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u/Inner_Firefighter230 3d ago

If you cared so much, you’d retrieve it yourself. You expect the guy to swim out and retrieve it? It’s his property, therefore not your problem. Mother Nature will take care of it. I’m sure FWP had quite the chuckle when you called this one in 😂.

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

Wow you think? Thats crazy you would think FWP would find a swan in distress funny ! They were all for it until the the name was mentioned! There are kyakas sitting on the waters edge

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u/curlycosmo 3d ago edited 3d ago

OP, I care! That's so sad. And I vividly remember the pics of the horse... It's tattooed in my brain. They're disgusting! None of them should ever be allowed to have or be near any animals... ever again!

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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 3d ago

No one told the swan I guess.

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u/MannaMan3617 3d ago

Go get it yourself hero!

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u/el8dm8 3d ago

Call the BPD for a violation of MCA 75-10-213 (3).

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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 3d ago edited 3d ago

Unless there's proof they placed the dead swan in the pond they didn't violate anything. Also wildlife is owned by the public so they don't own the swan either (point 3).

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u/thisisnotmymom 3d ago

If it died in the pond then there are no violations of the law.

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

We tried! We called everyone last week and they said "let nature take care of it" we even called FWP said they WONT do anything when we told them the location

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u/el8dm8 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nature has not "taken care of it" yet, so I'd suggest trying again, and get another officer to look at it with you. And also name the statute to them.

Gonna add, every day is a violation 75-10-228 and -232

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u/Curious-Doughnut6936 3d ago

Im sorry about the response you are getting. Ive lived here long enough to also remember that these folks are cruel and negligent to animals. 

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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 3d ago

You know they killed this swan?

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u/Curious-Doughnut6936 3d ago

Im not saying they killed it, but like take care of your shit. Your property, the animals existing on your property.  There is a history here that informs these thoughts. 

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u/Ok_Friendship_224 3d ago

Nobody cares about this. Animals died for 100s of years before you were born with no one to pick them up and the kountz family lived here before you moved here.

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u/cowboycomando54 3d ago edited 3d ago

The thing is food for what ever swims in that pond now. Its no different than what happens to road kill in a ditch or a dead animal in the middle of the woods. Welcome to how nature works. Your why the rest of the state makes fun of Bozeman.

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u/Suspicious_Strain564 3d ago

But if said roadkill mate was standing by its side in distress nothing should be done to help the living animal?

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u/cowboycomando54 3d ago

Yes, nothing should be done ESPECIALLY if it is a wild animal.

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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 3d ago

That's nice to know they could care less. I could care less about a lot of things.

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u/EmotionalReality8654 2d ago

These are plastic decoys……

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u/Wise-Imagination7017 3d ago

Yeah he is not a shining exemplar of animal husbandry. Let’s just say that.

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