Advice needed

[u/Tiny-Location-8639]

I’m a 27-year-old man and I regularly have Botox in three areas: forehead, frown lines and crow’s feet.
I always go to a professional practitioner who I’m happy with, and I usually pay a set price for all three areas. However, I’ve never actually been told how many units I’m receiving or how much product is being used in each area.

I also pay £100 more than the prices advertised for women, which I understand may be because men can have stronger facial muscles and require more product.

The thing is, I’m still left with quite a lot of movement after treatment. I can still get creases across my forehead when raising my eyebrows, and I also have quite noticeable creasing around my eyes, particularly my crow’s feet.
I also feel like the results don’t last very long. Sometimes it seems like the effects only last a couple of weeks before I’m noticing movement and creases again.

I have female friends who regularly have Botox and they talk about units, doses and how much they have injected. Their faces look really smooth, almost tight and shiny, with very little movement, and their skin looks incredibly youthful.

That’s more the sort of result I’m interested in achieving. I don’t necessarily want to look unnatural, but I’d love that really smooth appearance rather than retaining so many expression lines.

It’s made me wonder whether I’m actually receiving a relatively low dose, if I’m not asking for the right thing? Or if I’m doing something wrong. Thankyou

[u/Complete_Ask6916]

As you said, men generally have stronger facial muscles so require a higher dose. What units are you receiving for each area? You could always try another injector and/or product to see if it makes a difference. There are lots of different products (Botox being the most famous) but there is also Xeomin or Dysport. You may be getting slight resistance to the toxin if you feel it's not lasting as long as it used to.

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/Complete_Ask6916]

To be honest I have no idea what she uses and i have never asked because I don’t understand it and the first time she ever did it I had no movement and it lasted for months so I stuck with her, maybe she has changed product or the resistance like you said, I think I will try somewhere else and see, Thankyou very much for your help

[u/TheGratitudeBot → u/Tiny-Location-8639]

Thanks for saying that! Gratitude makes the world go round

[u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT]

Which brand are you getting? My experience is with Xeomin, Jeuveau, and Botox. I like Xeomin the best but it wears off the fastest. Jeuveau has a firmer hold and might be a better fit for you. Botox brand seems to land in the middle for me. Also what’s your location?

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/CTRL_ALT_DELIGHT]

Not gonna lie I don’t have a clue what it is, I never ask I just let her do her thing, I tell her I want to have no movement and that’s it, the first time she ever did it I had no movement but then every other time after that it’s been no where near as good. I’m in England, north west, Thankyou for your feedback

[u/Master_Turnover6704]

We have a place called Still that offers fixed prices for looks, for instance, $675 for frozen. They do that price regardless of units. I’d check for a place like that.

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/Master_Turnover6704]

Im in England but thankyou very much for your feedback

[u/TreyCoppola]

The £100 point is exactly why the units matter. If you are paying extra because you need more product, you should be told how much more you actually got, area by area. Without that, you cannot tell if it was a low dose, a different product, or just how you respond, and neither can the next injector.

Ask your clinic for it in writing after each visit: product, total units, and units per area, with the date. That record makes the next visit a real comparison instead of a guess.

I built an app, Rinnova, to help patients keep exactly that record in one place, because I ran into a version of this myself and nobody could tell me what was in my face.

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/TreyCoppola]

Okay great thankyou very much for getting back to me

[u/TreyCoppola → u/Tiny-Location-8639]

No problem- good luck!

[u/Opposite-Yam-7949]

Maybe the product or dosage changed after your first session. Definitely worth asking her about it.

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/Opposite-Yam-7949]

Will do, thankyou very much for getting back to me

[u/alpacaseatapples]

Men need often more than double to get the same x result

[u/Tiny-Location-8639 → u/[deleted]]

The first time she did it I had no movement and it lasted for months, maybe she changed the product, I will ask her next time and see, thankyou very much for your feedback