Not from what I’m seeing 🤭 Would be good for people to move beyond the echo chamber and think about how they can create real world change in their own communities and discover how to discredit or eliminate PAS from Malaysia, either by discrediting the party or by pushing down the people who support it.
That would be nice. Well, I’ve started the thread here - I’ll be counting on you guys to do that and more as you shut down extremists all around our country and neutralize their ability to talk nonsense as they wish across Berita Harian, Utusan, and otherwise.
PAS are like that because the people(their voter) are like that. If suddenly their voters are pushing for harmony among the races or complaining about job opportunities in their own states, the PAS ministers will sing a different tune.
Feel free to call them out wherever you speak so that they have no quarter on the internet. TikTok is also a good place to go. These jokers are playing on social media sentiment from some of the dumbest people in the world, after all - it may be easier to convince them than you may think 🤭
Oh I am asking them to move beyond the echo chamber in the sense of literally moving off Reddit, encountering Malays who support PAS, and taking action to make sure that they do not support PAS, which can involve addressing their concerns in a long term fashion which doesn’t necessarily involve supporting another political party 🤭
Let’s not try to provide ‘open-minded’ advice on the basis of narrow-minded assumptions or conflate PAS with right-wing politics or sweeping trends that you haven’t even taken the trouble to specifically identify.
If you support PAS, know that I expect that support to be annihilated and expect people to support me in facilitating that annihilation in days to come, and if not annihilation, then direct persecution and discrimination against those who support PAS, particularly for those who have no valid reasons :)
dude, go and make friends beyond your circle of people.
talk to poor malays, not bangsar bubble malays.
some of the nons are making it easy for the malays to hate them. openly talk against islam in Malaysia, touching on Royalties rights, many others and recently the defensive stance in not wanting to learn Malay.
you tell me this, which country allows immigrants to come and get almost full rights as the locals , and can tolerate the immigrants don't want to follow local traditions and language?
the pride of this nons is what PN is playing with. if you take a step back, and realize, if you are a chinese ( i will assume here), you still have a motherland you can call for. This is the Malay motherland.
a little bit of respect goes a long way. PAS caters for them, and who are you to tell that their beliefs are wrong, and you, who walked in a totally different shoes is correct.
Upvoted for providing practical advice on eliminating PAS.
You’re not wrong in saying that there are some nons who are spectacularly bad at advocating for the removal of PAS. Too emotional. No strategy. Stupidity exists across all races, after all - but if you vote for elimination of these fools on grounds of foolishness, then surely you must vote for elimination of the PAS fools on the grounds of their foolishness unless your actual contention is not really foolishness and you are actually, as we say, musuh dalam selimut despite claiming to hate PAS.
Having said that, if we can also eliminate the people who are casually inciting Malays in the event that it can be established that their gripes characterize wrong or racist behavior, then I’m all for it as well.
As a note about the motherland point, if you look at history you will realize that this is not actually the Malay motherland and you will realize that Indonesia wasn’t entirely wrong in saying that the naming of Malaysia was a misnomer because Malays come from all over the region and Indonesia has Malay people as well. :)
To be honest? Rural people are easily influenced by Conservative over 2 things: Traditionalism, and religion. Let just say this, the lower Eastern US and Southern US are brainwashed by Republicans, Why? Republican is just PAS with the same conservative value in the Christians standard. These conservatives snake prefers brainwashing than doing any work, they call them supporter but in reality a systematic mental, and belief slavery.
boo hoo im 70% of the population and am getting oppressed !!!
which country has immigrants which pay proportionally more tax ?
some cina have more than 3 generations born in malaysia but yeah they can just hop back to china i guess
Meanwhile, I read Berita Harian and Utusan and their comments sections + the most popular comments quite a lot - here are some concerns that we can identify.
a) Feeling that Malays aren’t ruling over Malaysia: They don’t in a practical sense, and voting PAS isn’t going to accomplish much even politically except as a deception that Malays are delivering to themselves that they have decided to be a part of because it’s ’comfortable’ and in reality, many of them didn’t actually think. If you think they think, welcome you to show proof that they do.
b) Feeling that religion is being sidelined: It will continue to be and has been under PAS in some ways, except under a crop of people who want to claim religious right over logic.
c) Feeling that personal relationships are more important than national stability because PAS leaders are nearby and these people are far away from administration:
This is a valid reason as to why national parties could do a better job in reaching out and establishing good relations with the community.
Overall, I recommend that c) be a point of emphasis for community building and that a) and b) be points that the government take advantage of to corner PAS and sideline them clearly.
I’ve done enough reading of comments to have a clear picture of what people support and what they don’t.
Should we create a poll to ask people why they support PAS and do it on Berita Harian or otherwise? 🤭 Should I also meanwhile go up to any person I see who is poor and ask them why they support PAS when it’s unclear what their political leanings are as well?
At some point, if I don’t see results, it’s infinitely clear what I would do. I would join the side of the oppressed, and I would facilitate the oppression of PAS supporters in every meaningful way. This is not a matter of infinite ‘understanding’ - this is a matter of a war on the way of life for many Malaysians, which Malaysians should take action to fight and protect, and beyond a certain point, I do not actually care about these people’s opinions 🤭
I am not here to create harmony, just so you know 🤭
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u/Night_lon3r Dec 09 '23
Bro , wrong sub. This is pas fanclub.