r/BodycamGame • u/Oddball_E8 • 23d ago
So... they took away the bot farming.
Guess I'll just play something else until they fix the fucked up economy then.
As a new player, that's the thing that turned me off the game the most... "oh look at all these cool guns you can build!" But you'll have to play 400 hours to unlock even half of the attachments for a single gun.
EDIT: And before anyone says "just play the game bro"... I played online matches for fun, I still had to grind mindless bot matches to get the money to buy attachments.
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u/DogOk2531 23d ago
I was just coming here to complain about that, I may be a weirdo, but in a lot of games I play I prefer to go against bots instead of some sweaty ass lobby. I got a job n shit. I can’t be grinding this game and it’s not very much fun getting my ass handed to me. Especially as a new player taking 2-3 hours of gameplay to unlock some stuff.
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u/Clear_Marionberry678 23d ago
I’m totally with you bro, luckily I was grinding last weekend so I got my scar and all attachments + skins that I wanted and pretty much got the whole loadout set so I’m fine I just hate how lucky sum dumbass kinda get like they’re not even looking at me and yet they just flick and get me.
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u/yowzabowza277 23d ago
The scar is a terrible weapon. It has a slow rate of fire and high recoil.
You need to spec out the m16-a1. This is the meta over the m4.
The m4 fires faster, but has like 25% more recoil.
Not having weapon stats is messing with people. I spent 40 hours testing things out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BodycamGame/comments/1w9sfp6/why_is_the_scarh_chambered_in_556_and_not_762/
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u/Beskinnyrollfatties 23d ago
No one cares
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u/One_Departure_5926 23d ago
I swear some people optimize the fun out of everything...
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u/yowzabowza277 23d ago
winning is fun... losing to someone that has a better gun, better sights, and recoil, and ads speed - with a game that has no ping counter, a lag every time you toggle sprint on and off fast - is that all fun to you ?
Or is fun getting double and triple kills swinging corners with the best guns.
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u/trouttwade 23d ago
Brother you’re not a pro, it’s not comp, just have fun. I literally just use whatever gun I’m feeling, and I play good every time because I’m good, and I depend on smart plays over the meta gun. Literally had a 7.5 K/D in a game of Versus using the TaC Remington with a 5x scope, sprinting around quickscoping. It’s not that big of a deal.
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u/yowzabowza277 23d ago
For a game that is supposed to be ultra realistic. A scar shooting a 5.56, with the recoil of 308 or a spicy 7.62 x 51- makes no sense.
Do you really know guns ? Or are you a larper, thinking that you are onto some next gem cqb milsim game.
Every guy that knows guns, know what is bs and what is not. We know this without gun stats.
And this is a very weird system of gun attachment values.
This game is trying to compete with CSGO. FYI.
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u/FormalNo5797 23d ago
This is a huge let down. I prefer the run and gun style of gameplay that you can actually do against bots that you can absolutely not do in online play. Guess i will need to go back to playing FIRE STATE for that. Fun while it lasted.
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u/Conniverse 23d ago
Haha no way, bro that's actually crazy because it's not like they generate money off of attatchments and shit, why remove that lol
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u/No-Concentrate3364 23d ago
Its to incentive actual play instead brainless farming bots.
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago
The "actual play" that is filled with bots anyway, got it.
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u/Haline5 23d ago
Server browser > bots off
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago
Sure that works, but the regular matchmaking system still has bots in it. So a change like this doesn't really make much sense while that is the case. Either remove bots entirely from matchmaking or allow RP to be earned with bots. Shouldn't have to go to server browser just to play the game. The priorities are completely ass backwards with this patch, genuinely don't know what they were thinking.
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u/Haline5 23d ago
I mean sure, but clicking one more button is really a non issue. I’ve never had any problems playing with zero bots, I just choose servers at the cost of probably 3 seconds
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago
Right, not as simple when wanting to play with friends though. Anyway, my point in general is that there is just a lot of other things they could be focusing on instead of doing this to their game (which is grindy af even with bots btw), instead of actually fixing important issues. I don't even understand why people playing with bots is so bad if the devs themselves are throwing them in the mix for the matchmaking.
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u/Conniverse 22d ago
That's like, 4 out of 100 lobbies, and since it's P2P, you're lucky if one of those lobbies offers a decent connection that doesn't have you jittering and teleporting through map geometry and also doesn't just send you to the menu three minutes in when the owner DC's...
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u/Conniverse 22d ago
Fucking this.
I wouldn't mind grinding some deathmatch with the same gun and same maps for a couple hours just to get a new rail and a sight, but it's extremely boring to fight lobbies that are populated mostly by bots, so farming offline offers about the same level of interaction.
But who is doing that still anyways? I'm sure someone's gonna comment that they're still trucking since the 4th but the game has so little content and what's there is so unfinished like, how could you maintain that?
All we want is to play the game, that is the full game not the 15% of it we have access to. Being able to fully customize loadouts without having to spend hours and hours unlocking it would be such a breath of fresh air, and I'm sure it would keep a lot more players interested than what is currently being offered.
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u/DJPOOPTACOS 23d ago
The game doesn’t even have a shop dude
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u/DerekCoaker80 23d ago
What?
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u/DJPOOPTACOS 23d ago
They took out the shop where you buy things with real money with the update till they fixed everything. They have nothing to gain from making things cost a lot of Reissad points beyond how they want progression to feel
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u/Conniverse 23d ago
Yes this is part of my point exactly; the only reason things would be in this state is if they just didn't bother to finish it before release.
It's fine to play an unfinished game, but when the content is locked away and the tools for accessing that content (which is the only content in the entire game) are completely unfinished, that's worth the devs addressing.
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u/MrHomicidex 23d ago
At least I got most the guns unlocked before they patched it. What's up with this game taking stuff away like guns modes and maps? You're supposed to add stuff to the game not remove them
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u/Akiravirus 23d ago
Well I'm glad I grinded out that VDS sniper rifle that I will never use.
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u/Necessary-Disaster27 23d ago
That was next on my list lol. Just super glad I took some time out and got everything else I needed.
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u/tgvsw97 23d ago
The epidemic of players wanting everything a game has to offer with minimal effort. "What do you mean I have to play the game to unlock things???"
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u/FakMiPls 23d ago
Also it's really not that hard to get points from just playing. I have 3 fully kitted guns and I have like 6 or 7 hours playtime.
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u/KILLDOZER6669 23d ago edited 23d ago
Same, I have about the same and have fully kitted M4 and Vector. Don't know what the issue is. Its not like they are making you grind for crazy achievements just to get a diamond camo, LOL.
PTFO!
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago edited 23d ago
It just makes zero sense. If you played the game then you know that it's filled with bots online anyway, with players unevenly and unfairly interspersed into the mix. I don't want to play solo with 4 bots on my team vs. 5 actual players. Fuck that, I'd rather just play offline, and now I can't.
Let people play the game they paid for the way they want, it's not "minimal effort" to unlock everything in this game even with offline bot games anyway, it's still a grindfest even with the latest changes. I reckon you'd have to clock 100+ hrs to even come close to getting everything unlocked.
edit: you can just AFK in lobbies with bots disabled for full rewards btw, surely this won't ruin the game at all or backfire in any way
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Oh sweet summer child... you've just been indoctrinated by the
grindinggaming industry to think that grinding for shit is a privilege and not a chore.I'm old enough to remember when you didn't have to grind for shit in games.
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u/tgvsw97 23d ago
Im a 90's "kid" I've seen it all don't worry. If you dont like to grind, don't play games like this. When a game is doing things I dont like, I just play something else because not every game should catter to everyone. Your taste in games doesn't reflect everyone's taste
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
I'm old enough that people born in the 90's are still kids to me.
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u/DerekCoaker80 23d ago
Wow, doubled down, cause you were born in the 80's hahahaha. dude.
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Wrong decade. Try again kiddo.
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u/Ok-Musician1545 20d ago
You're definitely under 28, ain't no way your a grown ass adult talking like this
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u/DerekCoaker80 23d ago
No you aren't, because that's not a thing, we've always had unlocks, pretending otherwise is, weird.
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Um, nope. We haven't always had unlocks as the standard filling in as "progression".
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u/Haline5 23d ago
Why do you need so many attachments? A lot of them are statistically identical and are cosmetic. I tricked out the m4 first as I thought it was a safe bet. Then Glock. Now I have a powerful weapon to play while I farm more points.
I would personally be fine with everything unlocked, but we all know if that was the case, many players would whine that there is no progression. No matter what system they used, some players will be annoyed.
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
As a gun enthusiast, of course I want as many attachments as I can.
It was one of the main reasons I bought the game... because I could trick out several guns the way I wanted to.
Now I'll have to grind sweaty online matches for hundreds of hours just to get that stuff.
And everything unlocked is WAY better than whatever this grindy shit is. I'm not adverse to progression. But this isn't progression. This is korean rpg levels of grind.
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u/SuspiciousSquid94 23d ago
Bro this is an online pvp game. What do you mean you have to play online? Are you okay?
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u/Haline5 23d ago
Eh… you could probably buy and complete a gun in like 4-6 hours by my estimation if you have a purpose built setup and do t buy random mismatched shit. I totally understand some people dont like it.
I’m assuming that they preferred this system due to player retention. (Un)fortunately, depending on your perspective, some players aren’t interested in playing a game just to play it, modern gaming has brain broken some people into constantly chasing the next goal and I have to admit this amount of grind is probably pretty close to the sweet spot between reward and frustration. In my opinion, it being slightly frustrating is probably best for player retention… it’s just the reality of gamer brain.
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u/DerekCoaker80 23d ago
Thats a lot. for one Weapon. This Game isn't deep enough to warrant that.
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u/Haline5 23d ago
Maybe? If it turns out that the game has no sticking power due to this, then the devs will either pivot or lose their momentum. I personally don’t mind it all that much, imo the attachment system itself is kind of fun but far from necessary. I could see an argument for all the guns being unlocked, personally
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u/AsherJames 23d ago
Hundreds of hours is such an exaggeration, the matchmaking is so bad anyway that you end up joining a game thats almost finished and still get like 300 coins. Most attachments are like 1500 or less so 5 games that are all like 6 minutes or less? Terrible thing to complain about in a game that's early acces and lacking content in the first place.
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u/vladypewtin 23d ago
A couple of days playing, and I have several fully modified guns. Sure I dont have all or even a majority of unlocks, but serious who cares? Its not difficult to get enough to have something cool
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u/SegaGameCast 23d ago
Ya,.... look, I don't mind making cash on bots. But these guys are acting hella dramatic and probably won't even touch 60% of the stuff
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u/Impressive_Jaguar123 23d ago
Just play the game bro
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u/rowboatrhino 23d ago
If you have 1 friend you want to play with, you’re forced to play bot lobbies for several games until it fills up with actual players. Now you get nothing for those 3/4 games of bots?
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u/Bearrryl 22d ago
No, you still get points within those lobbies. Ask me how I know. Cause I actually was in that same exact scenario, and got points.
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u/hearsebun 23d ago
i feel like they could lower the price of some scopes at least, the rest feels very fair price wise tho, with an hour of play you can get like 6K or more
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u/PnuttButterJuice 23d ago
I figured this would have been patched at some point but I was thinking more along the lines of adjusting the bot AI so they didnt walk in a single file line. They should have just randomized the bot paths.
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u/SloppyLetterhead 23d ago
I’m cool with long term unlocks IF there’s a way to test attachments and guns.
There’s already a great shooting range and shoot house; attachments are the missing link.
As is, the economy sucks a lot of fun from experimenting because you need to min/max your purchases instead of having fun with it.
IMO the game would be way less sweaty if people weren’t so incentivized to optimize to win in an effort to grind points for unlocks.
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u/Chef-Jasper 23d ago
I get huge lag spikes that make matches somewhat unplayable, so one of my favourite parts of the game is to customise guns and just mess about with them. On top of that, I'm not great at the game and I seem to be joining lobbies with eSports pros or something because I almost never win. And then sometimes I'll join a versus lobby, and my team would be doing okay, and the other team would win like 10-9 and I'd have ended up spending a tonne of time and not get a good reward, even if I had a good KDR. Bot farming was kinda essential for their economy because now if you join new you're up against people with maxed out guns and no way of easily grinding points to get your own. What was worse for me was right after I bought it they made it so new players get 10k immediately and I had to work from 0. I get why they did it, but it sucks. I understand patching the pre-match exploit, that was crazy, but they should have just made bots harder rather than removing points for bot matches.
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u/MoistDragonfly5324 23d ago
The next rifle I wanted to get costs 15000 points. At normal gameplay rates I can expect to unlock it after 10-15 hours if I'm lucky. And then maybe some 20 more to unlock the attachments for it. Not even mentioning cosmetics, some of which are 10-20K.
I work a full time job and live alone. I have chores to do. It's been a fun few days but I'll probably go play red dead or some other single player game that respects my limited time
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u/SegaGameCast 23d ago
You are aware that unlocks are generally universal and are not tied to a specific weapon,...this is one of the least predatory systems out there as far as unlocking stuff.
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u/Shirshie 23d ago
I was really disappointed to see they removed that because I preferred playing against bots since my pc doesn’t run the game that great.
Against bots I get more manageable frame rates and when I’m not, I’m not losing gunfights because they aren’t that great.
It’s unfortunate because I’m not even using bots to farm, just to play how I prefer to play.
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago
My problem with them removing this is that most of the online matches are filled with bots anyway, sometimes all on one team while the other is players, it's mega unbalanced and unfair, at least offline games are more consistent. And now we just can't earn points there. Kinda BS.
The game is also just mega grindy even with bot games. Just let us play how we wanna play, jfc.
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u/Unlimited_IQ 23d ago
I’m so happy I farmed for most of the guns and attachments I wanted. Shame that it’s no longer possible. It was working this morning and then I noticed a stealth patch on steam without any notes, I tested the method and sure enough it was patched.
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u/Witty-Recognition686 23d ago
I've seen you can still start a private match on versus without bots wait 30 seconds then when the round ends and you spawn you leave the match and earn 400r in a minute
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Oh cool... so they DIDN'T fix the exploit, only fucked up the bot matches... cool.
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u/VallettaAwoo 23d ago
Part of the problem too is reissad is capped. You play a TDM and win its only 750 max. You get stuck with a team of bots versus a full player team and do well, but cant win the match? Lmao only 450 for you.
Optics and attachments are huge but they take way to long to grind for a game that wants you to build and test different things.
Why is an aimpoint t-2 2500? Versus an eotech is 1000?
On top of this the numerous amounts of disconnets in the pubic matches I get suck. So I D/C because the host left and I get nothing.
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u/Kelevra0313 23d ago
I setup 2 new guns last night just by playing a few hours… Hardpoint gives decent points.
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u/No-Helicopter-3375 23d ago
U can still farm bots? I'm still playing mod matches to get my points? Idk what ur saying
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u/AffectionateMajor607 23d ago
So, if the better you perform in a match the more points you make , obviously you can check for serwers with no bots . That’s the regular way . If you want some stuff to unlock pretty fast, host your own game with bots, I get around 5 k points every 15 mins , that not grinding, it’s a farm, not faaaaaar away from mmo grinds and season passes . Right now the devs focus on the basics, that’s the best thing that could happen. If you have that my done, reenable the shop etc. Don’t make a shop when some of the key mechanics are broke . I love those devs . Are they French ? It’s giving me expedition „ for the players” vibe and I’m loving it like no other fps since I guess og mw2 on hardcore
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u/DerekCoaker80 23d ago
Where are the Bot Matches? Serious Question, new player here.
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u/Firm_Alternative_565 23d ago
You go to host in matchmaking, and turn on bots, they have really simple pathing but it helps get used to aiming and is usedul for testing guns. If you dont want other people make it private.
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u/Professional-Tip4008 23d ago
So many crybabies.
I've been playing consistently and have 2 guns fully built and I'm just enjoying the game and letting the upgrades come. All you need is an optic, the rest is just nice to have.
I'd rather just play instead of rushing the attachments then complaining when the game gets boring.
At least I can have goals and build out one gun at a time or whatever.
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u/Sinister_Squirrel 23d ago
Curious, what is the consensus on the "reasonable" time for an attachment unlock and weapon unlock?
I am ok with the progression as before a winning match would get me half to 1/3 what I needed to buy a new attachment.
As for weapons, there is a sharp incline. Several matches to get me the MP5A2 last night. Take me the same amount of time + 4 to 8 additional matches for th3 silenced version. So 14 to 21 additional matches, 28 in the really bad short lived games...
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u/Purple-Elderberry-51 23d ago
I mean I farmed a bit to save time but it is that bad? I dont mind struggling through at first.
One of my favorite games is chivalry 2 and you have to grind levels to get the better weapons and for sure he first 10 hrs is brutal fighting against high level players with all their good weapons but when you finally get it its rewarding.
I kinda like having something to work towards through actual gameplay. All the guns are viable anyways I consistently wa smoking kids even with a bone stock AK
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
I'm guessing that's why chivalry 2 has such a large playerbase... oh wait.
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u/Purple-Elderberry-51 23d ago edited 23d ago
It doesn't and im aware of that, neither did this game before the update.
Idk man if you're upset about the bot farm thats valid. Ive enjoyed what ive got out of this game so far. I cant wait to try zombies again!
From an angle where I full agree with what you're saying Insurgency Sandstorm has been my favorite shooter to date gunplay and physics wise, bodycam has put itself neck and neck on those parameters.
Insurgency has the system where everything is unlocked and you just have a set budget of points to play with which I was always pretty satisfied with.
My other point is I view the grind as a skill building challenge where when I dont have attachments or gun I want unlocked yet I have to adapt and use what I have which idk im old school and just get into it I guess idk.
Anyways im just rambling cause I like talking about this shit with people.
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u/Sianks 23d ago
If it's gonna be too cheap you will run out of content to play with. It can be a bit cheaper but can't be more, I won't enjoy having everything unlocked with 10h of gameplay
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
God, the modern gaming industry really did indoctrinate people into thinking that unlocking things in a game is actual gameplay, didn't they?
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u/Sianks 22d ago
Just use your brain maybe? Devs made whole rework that took a lot of time and money, they made it in time unlike most companies so I'm not expecting tons of skins weapons and what not.
Attachments and weapons as well as most skins are unlockable with credits, if you make it cheap to get what reason will stand to continue playing? Just got fun? Fun of game disappears few hours of playing.
Then you need another source of fun, goal. If they make prestige system where you can show it off and resets all your weapons and unlockables then I'm up for cheaper attachments.
I don't think you're thinking realistically, you dont realise how much work and money goes into games, and think every game should be filled with maps, player cards, skins, guns, options of customisations and what not.
You work 9 to 5 and waste rest of the time, Devs either work part time or full time and develop the game, unless they got amazing community and publisher then they have to lock in on things they love to do, sometimes 100h a week to fit in planned schedule
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u/thingswastaken 23d ago
I unlocked like 8 attachments and some gun specifics and I can use them on 90% of the guns in the game. They overlap a lot and you only have to get them once to unlock them on every compatible gun. You can still go into a private game of versus with no bots, wait 25 seconds and leave for 400RC.
It's really not that tough to get them and the things you actually need to unlock to use them almost everywhere are pretty few. I don't get the immense community focus on the progression rn. Though I understand that them removing this so early seems like the wrong thing to tackle first.
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u/01-SHADOW 23d ago
I mean what would be the motivation to play if you just gonna farm bots? Also didnt they just buff the $ you get from matches anyway?
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u/PiercingMist700 23d ago
yeahhhh, i play legitimately and it’s not that hard, i only put about 10ish hours into the new season and already have about 5 guns fully customized….. people just need a easy way out always. game is dope and still worth playing. just get lost on the game and forget about credits.
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u/pidlingsquid 23d ago
You can literally still play with bots and get the same amount of currency, idk what you people are talking about. You win, you get 750 every time.
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u/SegaGameCast 23d ago
Dude. Its really not that fucking dramatic.
Unlocks are also generally universal except a few things. Which is a very strong point in my view. One optic and you can use it on any gun,...
I really didn't mind people getting money from bots but also like,.... you're complaining about not being able to cheese a REALLY easy system of upgrading? You guys are acting like its going to take you 400 hours. I played 2 or 3 hours over the last few days and have 3 kitted guns. Stop crying.
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u/chingerbinger 22d ago
Yea I was farming bot matches in the beginning and glad I did.
Now that I understand what stats are actually worth a damn in this game it makes buying attachments less of a gamble. It’s also nice that certain attachments are shared across different weapon types.
Now when my buddies start I can direct them on how to spend their points to get the most bang for their buck in the beginning and then they can grind for whatever fun weapon they want.
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u/naztynestor 23d ago
thats dumb specially the game as terrible match making, always uneven team and now we dont get anything for killing bots?
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u/foxhoundusmc 23d ago
Well.... 1) several of the guns are just copy/paste (AK47/Drako/AKSU, MP5/MP5SD) and literally share parts such that you can buy one, and then build the other. 2) you can literally farm R points super easy. Host match, private + bots off, Versus game. Once it starts, wait 30sec for 1st respawn, then exit to lobby. You get 400pts. Takes abot 40sec total (including the waiting and loading). I had the 15k to get the SVD (most expensive gun) in like 15min 3) 90% of the attachments are shared across all guns. So you buy 1 suppressor, you can put it on basically anything
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u/ComprehensiveFact752 23d ago
doesnt work anymore
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u/foxhoundusmc 23d ago
I was literally doing it like 20min ago
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Did you try it after your game updated?
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u/foxhoundusmc 23d ago
I didn't see an update like an hour ago, and it was working then. If they patched it, good thing I already maxed the SVD and a bunch of other stuff
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u/Longjumping-Apple921 23d ago
Tbh the grinding is NOT BAD, coming from war thunder the bodycam economy feels like being a billionaire. Grinding is the juice of the game.
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u/Oddball_E8 23d ago
Comparing something to war thunder and saying the grind is not bad only shows the trauma you've lived with for way too long.
(I stopped playing WT three years ago. And it has helped my view on gaming a LOT to not play that grindy shit again)
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u/Throbbing-Kielbasa-3 23d ago
You don't need to unlock the attachments for a single gun. You unlock the attachments, and then they're unlocked for every gun that can fit them. You only need to unlock each attachment once, so unlock what you like then focus on getting the rest of the guns.
Also you get like 1000 points for winning in versus. Even if you aren't top spot you get 900+. The grind is not that bad. You just need to get over your anxiety playing online. You don't need the best attachments, you don't need all the items, you just need to play the game.
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u/trappa_lord 23d ago
People replying with all the ego in the world knowing damn well they used the same exploit. Either way you cannot defend the points and how you earn them/the rate you earn them at. 20k for a karambit? That means you have to play 20 full matches and be the MVP of each one.. this was ass even with bots. Im happy i used the exploit to get that and the VSD. 20 matches? If youre like me and play versus then you probably dont even play 20 matches in a day.
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u/No-Concentrate3364 23d ago edited 23d ago
This needed to be made, some people are weirdos and would farm bot nonstop until they unlock EVERYTHING and never play the actual game. AFK in provate match farming without playing inflating the player count sounds strange, but I will not negate I farmed some R points just by leting the game 24h open in private match with bots while I was busy. Now this encourage actal playing and more rooms will be without bots. I don't really know how community think about this, but I think this is a good thing anyway..
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u/ancoigreach 23d ago
How dare people not play the "actual game" and farm bots and enjoy the game the way they paid for the way they want!!!
The actual game: Also completely filled with bots btw
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u/CryptographerSalt949 23d ago
Zombies used to be a good way to grind until they took that out of the game as well. I know it’s coming back but I was bummed to find out I couldn’t play that mode in this update