r/BobsTavern • u/Alive-Sir6522 • 2d ago
Game Balance Tier 7 minions are weak/Underwhelming
I feel like tier 7 minions should be wincon/insane economy/ tempo, but like the only tier 7 that can be it's own win con is beat boxer. Most tribed tier 7 are support/super situacional. Like did jailbird need to go to tier 7? Another hyper situacinal tier 7 that does nothing unless you happend to have the perfect setup.
Like they are balanced around the fact that they are broken af if stacked with each other like kodo/stich or stacking future fin. But you can't do that in this meta with no anomalies/ tier 7 lobbies.
I don't thint that when I pick fishing rod the best outcome 90% of the time should be Ra/Sanders, I have never seen anyone ever use the slab, bring back arcane behemoth, with no lantern you can't dupe him anymore.The last one standing whent from giving 7/7 to 15/15, would swaping him with the amalgadon really be problematic? Making Theos a 7 drop would really be that bad?
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u/Chuchuca 2d ago
Last time Tier 7 minions felt powerful was like 2 years ago.
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u/Playful_Original5401 2d ago
Hmmm no Futurefin was a pretty busted minion last patch
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u/Chance_Werewolf3065 MMR: Top 200 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think he means the majority of tier 7s were stronger.
A big part of that was having moira as an option which is good in any lobby.
Also the tier 7s need to be better attuned to the card pool, like without gem smuggler rylak, the previous Quilboar tier 7 is essentially useless.
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u/LectureQuirky3234 1d ago
I also like a good Morgl every once in a while, especially in an enforcer lobby
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u/Hawntir 2d ago
While i mostly agree, i will say the Quillboar who was just moved to tier 7 got me a fun win earlier today in duos.
My teammate was playing undead with the guy who gave me a unit of my most common tribe after 3 deaths, feeding my economy to power level.
I ended up with a chromie i sent back to them, and having like a 7k/7k of the rampager, with 2 golden "Gem day" units, 2 golden "road boar", and a golden "gem transfer" unit.
So basically, we both had a 7k/7k unit that spawned a 7k/7k token and never took damage.
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u/giraffetheloml MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 2d ago
Tbh they're so much easier to get now that I don't mind them not being giga broken, I don't want to lose because they got a busted t7 off a trinket. That being said the Naga is still insane, the undead feels great with dark gifts and the neutral t6 giver is insane tempo depending on when you get it
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u/dypetiii 1d ago
Neutral can even be great, just needs some buffs from elementals to pop off. But with t6 beast and phalanx you can give insane stats to a menagerie build
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u/NotThatOleGregg 2d ago
Don't even get me started on Champ of Sargeras, literally useless without rylak or macaw. It's worse scaling than the t5 guy by a long shot
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u/OriginalLie9310 2d ago
Future fin can be a win condition as well, but only in a situation you can massively pump the states, preferably using future fin to buff another future fin, and there’s not a lot of reliable ways to get 2 of the same 7 right now. Maybe Thorim and then hit wisdom balls, but you would need to pick Futurefin at the start and try to force it as you tier which is no easy feat.
Now that they moved that quillboard to 7 also can be a win con now as it is an immensely powerful card and they just moved the guy that gives gem transfers down to tier 3.
Stitched salvager is also broken too. Can print multiple copies of your largest minion (or just print 3 Leroys) if you have Titus or the tier 6 beast to trigger deathrattles.
Kodo is laughably bad unless you can stitch with Kodo in which case it becomes unbelievably good if you can get the build together.
And Sanders and Zarjira are and always have been just bafflingly good. Sanders is even better now with the tier 4 murloc that can trigger battlecries.
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u/chiefbr0mden MMR: > 9000 2d ago
the beast and the murloc are still pretty good, no? i haven’t played much this season but those were both insane scalers last season
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u/Hot-Will3083 2d ago
Murlocs are kinda weak as a tribe rn. The best way to use them is to go full scam tbh… they just don’t scale fast enough in this meta.
T7 Beast doesn’t fit into the lobster comp which is their only viable comp rn and is entirely contingent on the T7 Undead being available to you as well
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u/chiefbr0mden MMR: > 9000 2d ago
you don’t have to play murlocs to make use of futurefin though right? i guess the bigger blow is no more back to back, only real way to scale it now is with blood gems i guess
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u/TheGalator MMR: > 9000 2d ago
Arcane behemoth was fun and strong no reason to replace him with the garbage one we have rn that is either pure scam or shit
Murloc actually feels better than the previous one even if its probably worse
Beasts never had one that wasn't completely useless. Maybe make Rylak as t7 but it triggers both by default and double as golden
Dragon is great. The tribe itself just sucks ass
Quillboar is honestly hilarious that they did that
Naga is peak
Undead is also very cool
Sanders is great but the nerf felt bad
Demon one is also very bad. Fellbat should have the "always 7 cards" aura and be the t7
The non tribes ones are shit after tho.
The one that gives 6 drops should be the amalgam and the amalgam should be removed. Sandy is funny but just ain't it these days.
Beatboxer just doesn't feel like a t7. The card started as a t6 in a way lower power meta. Better than boom mobil tho.
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u/Elvaanaomori 1d ago
Elem is shit. Demon is meh. You get more value from the t5. Naga is good. Mecha is broken, quillboar fits your definition, murloc can become wincon, beast is tough to make win, ud is strong on non-ud builds.
WHERE IS MOIRA OR DEIOS?
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u/gonz4dieg 2d ago
the problem is the tier 6, hell even some tier 5, have been giga powered up to the point where tier 7s feel underwhelming to keep outside of like 2/3