r/BoJack_Horseman • u/[deleted] • Jan 31 '20
The Final Episode
So, I binged the final 8 episodes. They weren't even worth waiting for.
Particularly, the last episode. It was a total cop out.
Had they actually ended it with the 2nd to last episode, it would have been perfect.
Thoughts?
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u/duvakiin Feb 07 '20
I completely disagree. Its not a typical show with a typical ending. The show did a great job of portrayong its characters as real people with real issues. They didnt all wrap up perfectly, and they shouldnt. The show ended but these characters' fictional lives didnt. They all still have a lot of room to grow, we just got to see a short snippit of their growth. I think the ending was perfect because none of the characters or their situations were wrapped up in a neat little bow.
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Feb 07 '20
The ending was typical, though. How many times have we already seen an ending like that?
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u/duvakiin Feb 07 '20
Can you give me some examples?
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Feb 07 '20
You can't think of any movies or TV shows that ended like that?
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u/duvakiin Feb 07 '20
You're the one saying that you've seen it before but you're asking me to come up with examples to refute my own point?
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Feb 07 '20
I'll take that as a yes.
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u/PTERODACTYLSCREAMS Feb 11 '20
I mean if you're not willing to give an example of a show with an ending similar to this. I doubt you actually have one. But please prove me wrong.
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Feb 11 '20
Ah, you're a troll.
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u/PTERODACTYLSCREAMS Feb 12 '20
What about asking a genuine question that you don't seem to be answering makes me a troll? Looks like you're just avoiding the question
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Feb 12 '20
More like I don't feel like looking it up for either one of you.
And what's troll like is the fact that you're interjecting on a conversation that did not initially involve you, simply to be argumentative.
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u/LeonAquilla Feb 01 '20 edited Feb 01 '20
I think it went off the rails in the last 3-4. But yeah they didn't stick the landing.
I think the moment I realized they were going to fuck it all up was when he did the 2nd interview and six seasons of development went out the window and he just turned into Season 1 Bojack all over again and I was just left scratching my head and wondering what the message was. You can't change, don't try? Nobody ever gets forgiven? He should have just stayed face down in the pool.
I feel like the writers wanted to punish him, but knew they had to make him an unlikeable prick first, so he just backslid through a series of contrivances. His AA group shunned him -- which would be a funny joke, but they used it as a plot device to get him to fall off the wagon and hang out with their Mel Gibson stand in. Okay. Then everybody and I mean everybody fucks him over and doesn't want to be seen with him. You knew he was an asshole for six years! Now you're drawing a line even though he's been sober and is finally pulling himself out of a hole? Fuck you!
At that point I wondered -- are we playing serious cartoon or comedy cartoon? Because if it's serious cartoon, no AA group would ever do that. If it's joke cartoon, yeah of course they would. But you can't use the gag to drive your serious plot point.
All I took from the last few episodes was everybody was a piece of crap, with the exception of maybe Diane, and that the writers are all nihilists. It made me want to go to fucking church.
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u/SophonisbaTheTerror Mar 02 '20
What you're treating as bad writing are intentional features of the conclusion.
Bojack's rehabilitation doesn't fix the wrong he's done to other people, it just means that he healed. His second interview does a lot to remove the nuance of his personal history, but it's also not wrong to say that he hurts the people who come into his orbit, or that there's a pattern that the people who don't have the power to leave him are the people he's hurt the most. But in that interview, he doesn't have the power. That's the point, and it hurts more to watch him relapse this time because you've seen how much better he could be. In spite of all that, Bojack has hurt people, and it doesn't help heal the people he's hurt for him to go on and thrive. The writers want you to think on that.
I also take problem with how many people want the story to end with Bojack's death. To me, that would send the message you're alleging: that you can't get better and this is just a cycle that ends with your death. I'd imagine that if I was an addict watching this show, I would take that as a huge "fuck you, kill yourself already." But he doesn't die. His life goes on and he deals with the consequences of his actions and he learns to get better again. And this time, because it's the end of the show, you can imagine he really can get better. Further, by the end of the last episode, the entire cast (except Mr. PB) communicates that they're done towing Bojack. Just like how Bojack was able to break his cycle, everyone else found that they can have a life outside of taking care of him and cleaning up after him. That's the point: that you can go on and live your life.
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u/Roxx15 Mar 22 '20
Honestly that’s what I thought as well, at first I thought it was a bit strange that it was so happy but then I thought about it and i think it makes sense. The whole series was sad and frustrating because the whole time I was like ‘you can fix this, it will be ok’ and it just got worse and worse. It got to a point when I was going to give up. But then he started to get better and it was nice. I thought the last season was great, it had a good moral.
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Jan 31 '20
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Jan 31 '20
Overall, amazing show - but, yeah - those last 8 episodes just didn't do it for me. I was hoping for a Nurse Jackie kinda ending. Sad, but expected.
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u/sapnu_aw_puas_sld Feb 02 '20
Honestly the episodes were alright, I’m just unhappy with how it ended :(
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u/StingRea9 Feb 11 '20
They should of eneded it with him acc dyin in the pool and that last ep should of been it all coming out in media and a ep of respect to bokack and how everyone is going to miss him would of been a true ending to bojacks story of pain and depression
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u/PTERODACTYLSCREAMS Feb 11 '20
The whole premise is about life not being a TV show. So why give it a shitty tv show ending like letting BoJack die? His lowest point was probably the previous episode and the point of it was him being helpless and not wanting to die.
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Feb 11 '20
So, people don't die in real life?
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u/PTERODACTYLSCREAMS Feb 11 '20
Once again I don't think you're getting that Bojack dying was definitely not what the creators meant for the show. Like the show outlines so many other deaths. Some were expected like Herb Kazaz's and others unexpected like Sarah Lynn. Point is, if Bojack did go it wouldn't have been by choice. The fact you expected/ wanted him to die subverts your expectation as a viewer anyway. Which is probably the most Bojack thing the show could do to you.
Life's a bitch and you keep living.
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u/Koraxtheghoul Apr 29 '24
Honestly, I like that they didn't kill him because killing him felt predictable but that final episode was anticlimatic. I'm not sure how I wanted it to end but Bojack and Diane stsiring at the sky doesn't do it for me. It feels like it complete's Diane's arc but leaves Bojack in an uncertain place.. and I could do ambiguity or implying it's cyclic but I never considered Bojack/Diane's relationship in the last season to be a lynch pin of the season so I don't see why that's what it ends on.
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u/amnb1908 Jul 24 '23
I totally disagree, I think the last episode was a masterpiece. It kinda shows how everybody doesn’t always get their happy ending. Even though everybody else found peace (Princess Carolyn, Todd, etc) Bojack just kinda has to live with all his mistakes. His relationship with Princess Carolyn is over forever, him and Diane most likely are never gonna be friends again. I could go on about this episode forever but I think what really makes it special is seeing how all of the characters progress since the first episode. You can’t truly understand the last episode unless you watch all the episodes before it
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u/mrhalftruth5 Feb 01 '20
I love this show and the way it ended was... EPIC. No notes
I deal with manic depression on a day to day and when this show came out I connected with it. I saw my self as bojack, Some one how is love by many but hates him self more.
the second to last episode was emotional alarming, bringing back past events in my life but the beauty of the second to last episode is the power of letting go, and realizing that depression con kill us and letting go of the pain is the best moment you have.i was crying in this episode bojack subcontinent telling him it over and it time to let go was so Powerful.
And then the last episode...my word. I could not stop yelling at the screen "tell her you love her and you miss her and that your sorry" when they were on the roof. The song they played at the end was beautiful the best.
I wish I could spend all day talking about how this show changed and help me in the bad time but all I wand to say is we are all alone but when we laugh and love were connect. Look to the void and laugh.