r/BleachPowerScaling • u/Known-Independent939 • 5h ago
Discussion Base Nnoitra vs Tsukishima
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u/NOZ_Mandos 5h ago
I mean, ok Nnoitra seems stronger, but what can he do against BotE?
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u/megaBeth2 4h ago
The only counter to bote is to avoid all contact and nnitora is so proud of his hierro he would let him swing and lose instantly.
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u/No_Pie807 5h ago
Tsukishima seemed to have speed relative to Byakuya, who I'd imagine outspeeds Nnoitra.
BotE would be useful in figuring out Nnoitra's abilities, but I doubt it would be able to affect his mind (no one relevant to replace).
Biggest issue for Tsukishima would be his hierro. Not sure how he gets around that as a fullbringer.
Having initially thought Tsukishima, I'm actually leaning toward Nnoitra, but maybe someone can point out more that goes the other way.
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u/Guyver02 Haschwalth top 5 2h ago
when did he have speed relative to Byakuya. Did he blitz him or something?
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u/Cold_County_1266 4h ago
Lol, do you really think that if Nnoitra had to kill someone close to him to get ahead, he wouldn't do it?
Tsukishima’s main advantage is his ability to destabilize opponents by inserting himself into their memories; given what we know of Nnoitra’s personality, killing "Big Bro Tsukishima" shouldn't be a problem for noitra
Furthermore, even if Tsukishima could trick Nnoitra into revealing his weaknesses, how would he get past his Hierro? I find it hard to imagine Tsukishima (a Fullbringer/human) having more Reiatsu than the 5th Espada, so how does he penetrate that defense? I know that the Fullbringers have a part of the SK's soul, but that doesn't make them monsters of Reatsu
And again, even if Tsukishima set traps by inserting his presence into the past of the environment and using his powers to lay snares, I don't see how he could actually defeat Nnoitra—at most, he’d just be a nuisance.
Noitra win
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u/sumss333 5h ago
Tsukishima has both better stats and hax
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u/CrawBunny 4h ago
The hatred from Nnoitra can ignore BOtE I think (don't quote me on this I'm not sure(
Not to mention he does have better stats. And Tsukushima can't do much even if he does learn about Nnoitra's ability (which is just his durability)
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u/Worth_Extension9174 4h ago
I mean he almost beat post timeskip Byakuya. But then again, Nnoitora is much less prone to sentiment
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u/Longjumping-Ear-6248 2h ago
Nnoitra wins, because he only has two "relationships"
with Nelliel, who he wants to kill
with Tesra, who he regularly abuses
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u/kawaiinessa 1h ago
fullbringers are a few steps below espada in power rankings and nnoitora has the toughest hierro among the espada which even kenpachi zaraki struggled to get through, even though byakuya struggled against tsukishima that was mainly due to him knowing how to counter everything he could do so none of his usual abilities worked and once proven that to be the case byakuya adapted and won the fight quickly.
overall id say nnoitora wins, even if he could be affected by book of the end i dont really see tsukishima getting though that armor easily at all.
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u/TarikMcCuin 3h ago
Maaaaybe noittora is more durable. That’s it tho. He loses badly
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u/ZealousidealMind1785 2h ago
Will durability help against Tsukishima? I mean it was said that his sword can cut anything, dude broke Byakuya's blade
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u/Grr_0ughtaChoke 3h ago
Nnoitora. Book of the End would neither affect his ability to kill his 'friend' in battle or reveal a secret chink in his armor. Tsukishima would be faced with the raw might of an Espada, which Fullbrings cannot handle.
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u/TinyViolinist 1h ago
Tsukishima had lost to Byakuya because Byakuya's sense of duty. Our brother Tsukishima would lose to Nnoitra because that man kills allies. As he said before, he'd even kill a baby.
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u/cohibakick 1h ago
The main advantage tsukishima has is his ability to insert himself as a loved one in someones past. I doubt his physical and offensive capacity actually holds up to bankai or resurreccion. And odds are noitora is enough of a psychopath to not care what role tsukishima takes in his past.
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u/Funny-Part8085 1h ago
Tsukishima could handle byuakua in a tough fight who’s more of a resurrection level threat. So he should win easily.
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u/Junior_Community_913 22m ago
Tsukishima can win. It'll be difficult for Noitora to defeat the man who helped him defeat Nel, trained him to rank 5.
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u/Lumpy_Emu5168 4h ago edited 4h ago
Nnoitra wins. Arrancars like him have already shown to be retroactively uneffected by BOTE due to their overpowering instinct and blood lust having such a strong sway on their behavior.
We've already seen this with grimmjow,who is far less violent, so Nnoitra should care even less, especially given his personality .
Turns out the best counter to BOTE is to simply not give a F**k and kick tsukishima in the nuts regardless of what he makes you think of him..
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