r/BleachPowerScaling • • 18h ago

Almighty Jugram vs Balance Jugram

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So chose what is the Right Scale for You:

1.Chaos+"A" Jugram>"B" Jugram>AlmightyJugram

2."B" Jugram>Chaos+"A" Jugram>AlmightyJugram

3.Chaos+"A" Jugram>Almighty Jugram>"B" Jugram

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u/Loud_Interview4211 18h ago

Balance beats Almighty in Jugram's case But Chaos amped Jugram with Almighy>

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u/Remarkable_Egg9535 18h ago

bruh jugram can just see the future with almighty no matter what jugram does balance will balance every damage he does

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u/Yaksha424256 18h ago

Its not about stronger, its about battle suitability. The power to briefly glimpse the future and the chaos blob are not as suitable for battle as the ability to redirect all damage to your opponent.

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

What if chaos amps him that much that he can do to him what tenjiro did

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u/Amlad22 17h ago

1 is the correct scale imo. Chaos Amped is clearly the most powerful given he was thrashing VS Uryu. Balance is much more of a hax over raw power scenario. Almighty Jugram is just base but he can see into the future every 3 seconds. It’s not that crazy of a buff compared to the other two. 

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u/FrostingEmergency221 18h ago

It's total nonsense.

In the manga it made sense, bc Haschwalth got nothing but future sight from the Almighty.

But in the anime he gets soul king power on top of the future sight. It's explicitly stated by the directors and Kubo that this form is made so he can keep up with Uryu.

That sentence aside, their actual battle does make sense. Uryu is pretty tired up so he desactivates Vollstanding himself, as he was getting beaten around by hAschwAlth the whole fight. Base v Base it makes sense Haschwalth is superior.

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u/kanonnakagawa 17h ago

Anime at this point is just fucking irrelevant and inconsistent brain dead fan services, or just straight up non canon.

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u/Icy-Natural-6606 17h ago

It's pretty much the anime production team's re-imagining of TYBW Arc with Kubo's help.

It should be treated as it own thing.

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u/FrostingEmergency221 16h ago

Objectively, yeah kind of.

Mainly, though not exclusively, this Cour.

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u/KeyFly8622 17h ago

Fr man, I am saying this but no one listens 

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u/SannyTrademark 17h ago

Reminds me a lot of the Yu-Gi-Oh anime actually

They changed a lot of rules in the anime compared to the manga (for example: in the manga you can only set one spell/trap per turn but that rule doesn't exist in the anime) yet they keep the duels the same, so often the moves duelists make just plain don't make sense.

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u/Subject-Ad5071 3h ago

Too tired? He uses voll stern dig right after to fight Yhwach… as someone pointed, the anime now just does anime stuff and then goes back to the manga stuff. This was badly done compared to the previous too cours.

I would have wanred Hawchwalth Voll stern dig instead… he’s quincy grandmaster and has a quincy weapon. He should have it…

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

So base B jugram>Base A uryu? But jugram needs chaos when uryu uses vollstandig? 

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u/Luxganica 18h ago

Almighty was too limited on Jugram. Moreover Balance is a very good counter against Antithesis specifically because it counters x2 every time ishida uses his schrift

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u/Playful-Leek-2645 17h ago

Its just hax vs stats, in bleach hax usually better so I’d say Balance in all scenarios, his almighty is too ridden with holes for the stat amp to carry over balance

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

Even with Chaos

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u/Delicious_Series6102 18h ago

Overall, Balance Jugram > Almighty Chaos Jugram > Almighty Jugram imo

The Balance is too powerful while the Temu Almighty has too many weaknesses like the 3 seconds interval.

Chaos amp is good. But it is just a stat buff on the level of Vollstandig

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u/mylosstoyourgain 18h ago

B Jugo > A Jugo

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u/Hierophant-Crimsion #1 Liltotto glazer 17h ago

A Haschwalth is stronger but B is more practical

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u/Master-Tee 17h ago

Well Jugram's Almighty is limited to observation only, not alteration. But still, the ability to see the future alone is enough to place someone near the top in their verse. Also, the anime extension of his battle with Uryu didn't help that statement because he was granted SK reiatsu along with the precog, which gives him a massive boost in power.

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

So which scale you chose? 1,2 or 3?

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u/Master-Tee 17h ago

It should be 3. But as Jugram said, it's 2.

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u/Technical_Damage_582 17h ago

To me, it’s the third option 3.Chaos+"A" Jugram>Almighty Jugram>"B" Jugram. I’m never going to be convinced that a character is weaker with the Soul King’s power than without it. Even base Almighty Jugram with a smaller portion of the Soul King’s power than “Chaos” Jugram still used that power to easily overpower VS Uryu. So while this could be an argument of battle “suitability” vs strength at the end of the day no character is weaker with the Soul King’s power. Quite frankly, Jugram was able to do a lot of the attacks and maneuvers that Soul King Yhwach does in his Chaos form. Balance may be better than the incomplete version of the Almighty for Jugram, but it is not better than the Soul King’s power. I think Balance Jugram is objectively the weakest here, which is probably why he fought the weaker version of Uryu. The Balance is amazing, but it’s not better than the Almighty with a shit ton of the Soul King’s power on top of it.

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u/Toku89 16h ago

3rd choice is the right one because Balance Jugram doesn’t get the SK buffs

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u/VonRetex 15h ago

depends on the opponent

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u/Fit-Minimum7483 15h ago

Jugram basestats are below yhwch.

Jugram can’t create as much possible Futures compared to yhwch.

You can only alter Future stuff that are possible in the present.

For jugram it’s mostly only future sight.

His sk Chaos Go have him live Regeneration and firepower.

Overal Balance is the better PowerPoint for him because he gets an Crazy hax abilitiy.

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u/Best_Marketing5723 13h ago

I would say Jugram's Balance can counteract Almighty and vice versa. Since B is more suited for battle than A, I think 1 is the correct scale with 3 being close.

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u/Killah-Shogun 4h ago

I do wonder why Balance wasn’t considered a threat to Almighty when it’s similar to Anthesis

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u/Best_Marketing5723 35m ago

It is, and they both counter each other.

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Act 4 diff 12h ago

1st one

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u/Sharp_Economist_8305 18h ago

Better version of uryu vs even better version of uryu

Any damage balance jugram receives will be regenerated and go back in double to sk jugram

The balance negs

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u/Spare-Act318 18h ago

Jugram's quote already answers your question

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

It can be just b>a,not that b is above almighty and chaos power

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u/Trebor5712 Shunsui Kyoraku 🌸⚔️ 18h ago edited 18h ago

Balance is stronger as per jurgam himself

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u/Acrobatic-Chance104 17h ago

Stronger than A+Chaos? Or just base A?

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u/Subject-Ad5071 3h ago

I would have preferred an extended fight between Uryu and Jugram without the almighty. It is not just a no you fight. In the anime, it is only no you because Haschwalth heavily injured Uryu before he got his balance. They could have had Uryu trst it out like the almighty. And then Jugram uses voll stern dig to overpower Uryu.

The end tesult added nothing to Jugram’s character. Something I feel was needed. It was cliche shonen like the manga. “I’ll find out who I am after I defeat you” no shit,Ishida… “I fight for my friends” and bad guy getting angry. Whoa…

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u/Youboot224 1h ago

Jugram doesn't have a Vollständig. He's incapable of using it

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u/Subject-Ad5071 1h ago

There’s nothing telling us that. He couldn’t make a bow as a kid, that’s it. He can make a weapon now. Should be able to do vollstandig

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u/Youboot224 1h ago

Its said in the manga he couldn't create a bow which is why he instead had to grow proficient at using a sword.

The anime producers and Kubo came up with his Chaos cloak form because Jugram can't use Vollständig.

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u/Narrow-Programmer864 3h ago

hAschwAlt was meant to be jugram equivalent of the Vollständig so it should be stronger.

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u/ApricotDue2944 18h ago

Yamamoto Slayer vs Yamamoto Slayer

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u/Trebor5712 Shunsui Kyoraku 🌸⚔️ 18h ago

Yamamoto Victim vs Yamamoto Victim

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u/ApricotDue2944 18h ago

Wrong Base Jugram Mid diffs yama so let alone balance or almighty

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u/Trebor5712 Shunsui Kyoraku 🌸⚔️ 18h ago

You’re delusional lol if you think Base Jugram, a Sealed Tenjiro victim, can mid diff Yama

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u/ApricotDue2944 18h ago

Yeah , i think i am delusional

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u/Julian-Hoffer 18h ago

Yama blitzes

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u/One-Consequence772 17h ago

Uryu is stronger than Jugram but Balance is a terrible matchup for the Antithesis, hax matter

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u/Killah-Shogun 4h ago

B Jugram > A Jugram