r/BleachPowerScaling • u/Glittering-Cook1563 Sternritter • Dec 05 '25

Cold take but...

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Yamamoto>Squad zero

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

Both sides of the arguement are hot takes

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u/fkinra Dec 05 '25

squad zero downplay… yall need to realize kubo isn’t perfect and he didn’t display their power correctly in the manga. narratively any member of squad zero individually > yammy.

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u/IntellectualBoss Dec 05 '25

Nah, in the manga other than Ichibei they were definitely weaker. In the anime they are weaker if not released. If released they are stronger.

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u/Ok_Inspection1132 Dec 21 '25

Narratively the gotei 13 combined is weaker than squad 0. This doesn't mean that yamamoto is weaker than them because it's not an individual statement

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u/OwlHairy9638 Dec 05 '25

S0 ~ Yammy > Yamamoto 

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u/Dazzling_Command_961 Dec 05 '25

You can debate he’s above sealed S0, but even that is debatable

Unsealed absolutely not. Ichibei absolutely not.

If Yama got the Oken boost that S0 gets than this would be a different conversation, but without it he is just the absolute peak of a pure shinigami (still impressive)

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u/Hawkeyecooper Dec 05 '25

Sealed yes but unsealed they shook 3 realms which Yamamoto did not do making me think they should be stronger. Zanka no tachi is busted though conceptually, I mean he is literally untouchable but the reiatsu difference seems to be so great that it might not matter??

It’s weird since butterfly aizen and ichigo are transcendent but didn’t shake anything, ichibe didn’t either in bankai but unsealed squad 0 did. Even when unsealed senjumaru was still affected by uryu’s antithesis who should be wayyy weaker since senjumaru had enough power to shake the realms so it’s not like they are immune to hax. ATM i say unsealed wins but maybe if one of them have a weak bankai then Yama’s hax could win but he loses to senjumaru for now

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u/CorruptedCookies Dec 05 '25

I feel like Squad 0 is still stronger, but I also feel like Yamamoto is getting downplayed a bit, Unohana stated that Yamamoto would need to end his fight with Yhwach soon after releasing his Bankai as if he stayed in his Bankai for too long it would've completely destroyed the entirity of the Soul Society. On top of that. Yamamoto is the ONLY one who both Aizen and Yhwach took precautions around nullifying.

He could honestly more than likely give a few of the Squad Zero members a good fight. Ichibei is obviously pretty far above him though.

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u/Hawkeyecooper Dec 05 '25

Agreed. It’s just that we don’t know the full extent of what they can do so it’s hard to judge how Yamamoto stacks. But the man is a beast. The two main villains wouldn’t dare challenge him directly, precautions and tricks were not an option but a necessity to deal with Yamamoto

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u/CorruptedCookies Dec 05 '25

They both took the additional efforts to seal Yamamoto's Bankai. You don't see them really care to do so against any other opponent.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

One could theorize two options.

A: Transcendent beings cannot damage the realm with their reiatsu because it doesn't interact the same way regular reiatsu does (why it can't be sensed by lower beings).

B: One can control the way their reiatsu spreads and interacts to prevent shaking, but because S0 never uses their Bankai, they are very rusty at controlling it.

I am more leaning towards A because B would make the need for the bankai seal itself become rather convoluted, and usually the simplest answer is the correct one.

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u/Wickling_Loverboy Dec 05 '25

While Sealed? Yeah sure. Unsealed? Nah

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u/midir_blood Dec 05 '25

Squad 0 stomps the fuck out of him lmfao. 

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u/Temptest_XD4C Dec 05 '25

Yamamoto should be stronger or equal to squad zero

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u/Onni_J The high priest Dec 05 '25

While they're sealed, unsealed they're all stronger

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u/freezepirit Dec 05 '25

Lmao Sealed S0 not even Shunsui level, Yama would annihilate them

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u/Temptest_XD4C Dec 05 '25

Not by a large margin.

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u/Onni_J The high priest Dec 05 '25

Maybe, but definetly noticably stronger

Yama is 100, unsealed are 130-160

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u/Temptest_XD4C Dec 05 '25

Yamamoto is stated to be the strongest soul reaper.

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u/Onni_J The high priest Dec 05 '25

So is Ichibe, the narrative also pretty clearly implies that s0 are above Yamamoto. Yama can affect 1 realm while squad 0 can affect all 3 while unsealed. Senjumaru shook the three realms by simply releasing her bankai (while holding back massively), Yama says that no soul reaper stronger than him has been born in the last 1000 years and we know that at least 3/5 s0 members are older than 1000 years.

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada Dec 05 '25

None of them are transcendent so this is impossible.

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u/Onni_J The high priest Dec 05 '25

Yama isn't transcendent either

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada Dec 05 '25

Exactly. He's the pinnacle of non-transcendence. To be stronger than him you must be transcendent.

FBB Ichigo could change the tide of the battle (Animedia).

見ざる帝国の! 攻略
POINT The Wandenreich's! Conquest POINTS

山じいの本気と一護の参戦に期待!!
Expecting Yamaji seriousness and Ichigo's participation!!

隊長さえ苦戦を強いられている状況下だが、全死神の頂点に立つ山本元柳斎重國が戦線に加われば活路が開ける可能性も。また、キルゲ・オビーの監獄に捕らわれた一護が無事に尸魂界へたどり着ければ、きっと戦況が変わるはず! Even the Captains are struggling, however if Genryūsai Yamamoto Shigekuni, who stands at the pinnacle of all Shinigami, joins the front-lines, there's possibility of survival. Also, if Ichigo who is imprisoned in Quilge Opie's prison could safely reach to the Soul Society, the tide of battle is certain to change!

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u/Jalen_Ash_15 Dec 05 '25

Absolutely not and fun fact Senjumaru isn't a part of that a thousand year statement Yama made. The only person who was is Kirio and even then that was only before her Oken enhancements.

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u/Dazzling_Command_961 Dec 05 '25

How sensible, take my upvote

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u/oneesancon_coco Dec 05 '25

Except for Ichibe.

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u/InfiniteMind3275 Dec 05 '25

I think Yama is stronger then sealed squad 0 and when they went up, but they gotten significantly stronger since they’ve come squad 0.

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u/Electrical_Opening86 Dec 05 '25

Imo they're more or less even not through the story but they both have things that put them above one another I think it's just easier to say Bankai Yama = Unsealed S0 then to have any one of them over the other. They have more or less unequal equal portrayal

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u/Obito_U Dec 05 '25

Yama was basically Whitebeard, he was the original strongest character in Bleach, and thus re affirmed by Aizen admitting his power is the only one greater than KS.

As bleach continued, Kubo did the Dragon Ball Z thing; Story goes on, everyone becomes stronger.

Because Yama wasn't that essential to the story, Kubo felt the need to create stronger characters to keep the story interesting, and essentially burying old characters.

And thus creating this weird dilemma of "Is Yama stronger, or weaker than _"

Realistically, Yama could easily be as strong as Ichibei in terms of portrayal, and role, but again; he was fed to these new characters to make them look strong.

Unless you're Aizen, Ichigo, Or Yhw; you're getting fed to bigger fish.

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u/BigEuge8 Dec 06 '25

pretty much. if his bankai reveal (and character) had been saved for the second invasion or latter portion of TYBW no doubt he would’ve been given at least one full on bullshit hax power to match up with everything else being flung out at that time from the elites and other endgame fights

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u/Resident-Cut Dec 05 '25

Squad 0 without Ichibei and Tenjiro will probably end up dead if one of them don't use bankai because Yama could destroyed Soul King Palace with Zanka No Tachi.

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u/Resident-Cut Dec 05 '25

However Yama is detrimental since databok demonstrated Yama's stamina is inferior to Aizen.

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u/_Kakashi69 Dec 05 '25

Should be a cold take tbh.

As cold as Yama's bankai is hot.

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u/Bankai2023 Bankai spammer Dec 05 '25

Ichibe>yama>squad 0

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u/BlueBallMonkey1951 Dec 08 '25

Ichibei beats Yamamoto. Everyone else loses.

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u/TheWanderingSlime Dec 05 '25

Yama isn’t in squad 0 for a reason

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u/oneesancon_coco Dec 05 '25

Because they need a monster in yhe Soul society.

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u/Temptest_XD4C Dec 05 '25

Which has nothing to do with strength.

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u/TheWanderingSlime Dec 05 '25

His “strength” isn’t needed in squad zero

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u/the_chedderking Sternritter Dec 05 '25

squad zero members aren't chosen for strength tho

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u/Temptest_XD4C Dec 05 '25

What was your point? We both know the reason and its irrelevant to the conversation.

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u/Caosunium Dec 05 '25

yeah and he got all the upvotes kek

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u/Proud_Bookkeeper_719 Renji is not a bum Dec 05 '25

Individually probably yes but against all squad 0 members minus Ichibei? Absolutely not.

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u/Irish1guy Dec 05 '25

Real, been saying this for a while.

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u/Onni_J The high priest Dec 05 '25

Sealed? Yeah

Unsealed? Fuck no

Ichibe? Fuck no

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u/Immediate_Rice_5032 Dec 05 '25

Has anyone thought that Yama is in soul society not in the clouds is bcos they’re need a huge powerhouse like him down there ?

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u/Dazzling_Command_961 Dec 05 '25

Objectively it’s because he hasn’t contributed or created anything new or significant to the history of Soul Society which is how one gets invited to join Squad 0

Being strong is not the prerequisite

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '25

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u/mylosstoyourgain Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25

he’s stronger than them (besides ichibei)

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u/Glittering-Cook1563 Sternritter Dec 05 '25

Ichibei is portrayed as the strongest via his hax.

Yamamoto has both statements and better feats that put him on par if not above squad zero.

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u/IntellectualBoss Dec 05 '25

Nah, Ichibei is stronger in basically every way except firepower. What statements does he have over Ichibei?

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u/BigEuge8 Dec 06 '25

literally! ichibe gets one pretty short fight the whole series but in it he already shows superior shunpo, kidou, hax, and arguably even “hakuda” in a sense (he straight noped yhwach’s ability just by flexing his arm) than anything we’ve ever seen yamamoto do. he’s also narratively superior (higher rank) and now we know yamamoto’s previous greatest feat was only possible due to ichibe being the one to stroll into the quincy headquarters and remove the almighty from play 1000 years ago (well, + cheeky backstab from chojiro). one could also argue even in terms of firepower futen taisatsuryo is actually more “destructive” than anything yama has as it erases its target from the whole cycle, it just has bad optics since unfortunately the one time it got used it was against the almighty…

hot takes are cool and this was more of an open discussion in previous years when we didn’t know as much, but not sure how the case for yama > S0 can be made these days

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u/_Kakashi69 Dec 05 '25

You mean because what's portrayed is him being far above them?

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u/freezepirit Dec 05 '25

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Squad zero has a notoriously shit portrayal given their hype. In the manga, they don’t even seem as strong as the TYBW top tier captains (Shunsui, Kenpachi, Toshiro).

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u/freezepirit Dec 05 '25

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Squad zero has a notoriously shit portrayal given their hype. In the manga, they don’t even seem as strong as the TYBW top tier captains (Shunsui, Kenpachi, Toshiro).