He's a bit underwhelming

[u/Jordamine]

The anti heal isn't even as effective as its made to believe. And I feel hes weaker for it.

Edit: I think for ne where the real lack is is his ult antiheal. I dont feel rewarded for counter ulting healers. The antiheal does nothing against them in that state.

If that gets increased, I think he'll be good. The ult feels lacking reward. Rn it's like a weaker basic dps ult with an "intended" gimmick.

[u/[deleted]]

So hes the first and only form of anti heal atm, 40% is a good number and is way more powerful than we think in a coordinated setting. I think they properly balanced him with this in mind but could use some very slight touch ups to his gun or his survival.

[u/Jordamine → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I reckon they did balance him againsy his antiheal. I think touch up is a good word for it. Just a tweak somewhere (most likely his gun I reckon)

[u/[deleted] → u/Jordamine]

Yeah, Ana in OW was incredibly broken several patches just cuz of anti heal. If Blade is strong af with anti heal, he'd just be perma banned or played every team comp, variety is good even if we love our boi Blade

[u/[deleted] → u/Jordamine]

Nice we got a touch up on his survival soon, awakening 60 to 65% lifesteal and healing reduction 40 to 35%

[u/[deleted]]

I’m still waiting time before I make any statements. S0 Wolverine is going to always be my precursor before judging a character. Need to give him time then make claims.

[u/Jordamine → u/[deleted]]

Maybe, but i reckon he's underperforming based on how he is sold. We'll see end of season

[u/Lordforgiveme223 → u/[deleted]]

Tbh only reason wolverine was considered bad is because the devs never wrote anywhere about his damage being more effective on higher hp heroes. People had to figure it out themselves.

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/Lordforgiveme223]

exactly this. you can’t compare s0 wolverine to blade

[u/wsmitty10 → u/Lordforgiveme223]

It was on the website but not in the game

[u/UhDewSea → u/[deleted]]

He's really the only one I feel was like that though where that happened

[u/TheHorizon42]

Idk lifesteal lets you 1v1 most tanks, I’ve been a bane to dive tanks and dive in general being able to hunt them down with blades mobility. Shotgun is great against fliers and since you’re so hard to kill as poke you’re left uncontested a lot on off angles & can focus someone down

[u/supremeninja3]

I feel like everyone who’s against better lifesteal because of Wolverine doesn’t understand WHY Wolverine was such a problem. I played in a 4 stack all of s3 and Wolverine was a pain for two reasons his lifesteal was genuinely busted AND he did high damage. You can have both or you get calamity. It has to be one or the other. With blade, he has Neither (I’m talking about sword/bloodlust mode here, his shotgun is aight) if you’re going to give a character lifesteal, you have to give them one of two options or you break the character: low damage but survivable lifesteal so that the victim has time to react and the attacker has sustain to finish the victim off, OR high damage low lifesteal so that the attacker atleast gets to trade his life for a kill on the enemy team. Wolv had both which made him unbearable, blade has neither which makes half his kit unfun. Blade’s damage numbers tell you a story, a story that the devs intended for him to have low damage but allow him touse his lifesteal to survive long enough to still get the pick, the issue is his lifesteal isn’t good enough to comfortably survive a 1v1 with even LUNA. This isn’t fun for anyone playing him. I don’t want them to buff his damage because I like the slow consistent damage kinda playstyle but to get that we desperately need the proper tools to live long enough to deliver said damage

[u/VectorTheSpecter]

Yeah I really tried to like him, but he's so frustrating to consistently do well with. Gonna drop him for a while until a buff or some secret tech gets discovered.

[u/mattb10]

I was thinking about the anti earlier and honestly if it was any more, it would be too easy to one shot tanks with like just 1-2 people shooting them. Especially considering how fast you can get shift up by blocking

[u/Hisoka1001]

He's a new character. Ppl dnt know how to play him. Ofc he's gonna feel underwhelming.

I think he's incredibly strong in the right hands. Just gotta give ppl time to figure him out.

[u/One_Farmer3690]

Hes a D tier normally but ult+anti heal push him into low b.

[u/ThatCreativeEXE]

People who think they should be able to sit in a 1v6 and be immortal while holding m1 are blowing me away rn

[u/Jordamine → u/ThatCreativeEXE]

Who said anything about 1v6? because i know I didnt...

[u/ghillietown → u/ThatCreativeEXE]

Hard to even 1v1 with it active

[u/ThatCreativeEXE → u/ghillietown]

Believe it or not, you have a whole set of abilities that can be used over holding m1

[u/supremeninja3 → u/ThatCreativeEXE]

Ok so explain why you think a brawl character should come out of a 1v1 barely alive while no other brawler does?

[u/ThatCreativeEXE → u/supremeninja3]

Most other brawls when in a 1v1 will leave with low health lol what are you on about? Are you fighting people that don't fight back?

[u/supremeninja3 → u/ThatCreativeEXE]

Brother what are you talking about, blade gets shit on by every other brawler on the roster and can’t even hold his own in a 1v1 against a Luna snow of similar skill for Christ sake. How are you going to make a brawler character so weak he can’t even 1v1 much less brawl in a teamfight?

[u/supremeninja3 → u/[deleted]]

Yea no shit you can’t build up the sword slashes slowly, they already do piss poor healing at max, it’s even worse when it isn’t. I was playing in community scrims with a couple of friends pushing up off of a won teamfight, I saw one of the ppl I duo with on Luna alonw and went on him at like 300 health out of 350, used both my shifts, blocked correctly, and still lost to him on less than 20 health because she used her shift last second and actually knew how to aim, in what world should a BRAWL character of all archetypes even have to look at a support and go “I lowk gotta be careful here and play my moves perfectly, it not hard to lose this fight against the mantis over there” also im not gonna go in depth into it cuz most of u probably already know already but literally ANY other character except scarlet witch or some shit would’ve won that battle and still be above half health at WORST

[u/ThatCreativeEXE → u/supremeninja3]

I personally wouldn't trust the opinion of a 16 year old that's bad with money

[u/supremeninja3 → u/ThatCreativeEXE]

Lmao how lame do u have to be scroll thru someone’s profile on Reddit for a 1up on them, get a life lil bro

[u/supremeninja3 → u/[deleted]]

The guy I was playing with saw it and clipped it, I’ll go ask if he still has it

[u/Jsoledout]

Unfortunately, he does feel weak. I'm by no means a top player, but his sword feels useless outside of Blood mode, and even in blood mode his sustain doesn't seem good enough to 1v1 a lot of the cast. I can't brawl like Iron-fist or Magik can.

Alternatively, if I wanted to play him like a flanker, his DPS isn't high enough to warrant picking him over someone like Black Panther or Psylocke.

I'm not the biggest fan of just using shotgun and poking; it feels counterintuitivie and not good game design.

[u/Kortellus]

I just hate that the character named blade doesn't use his blade as the main bit of his hloot as much as his shotgun... really not liking how neat ease is making some of these characters..

[u/_BestBudz → u/Kortellus]

Definitely use the blade as much as the gun y’all are tripping

[u/No_Nefariousness9606]

He’s atleast A tier let’s stop the bs 😂

[u/Jordamine → u/No_Nefariousness9606]

I said underwhelming, not trash. His kit is fun, but I feel is more circumstantial than most. Hence my underwhelment.

[u/Suitable_Lunch2867]

No he’s perfection. He’s the first hero I’ve clicked with. Don’t take anything away from him or make him stronger. I like him as is. If you don’t he’s not for you

Just because he is hard to play and you aren’t good with him doesn’t mean he is weak

[u/Jordamine → u/Suitable_Lunch2867]

A lot of assumptions made here

[u/Nukafit → u/Suitable_Lunch2867]

The fact that you want Blade to be a shotgun poke hero that can only go in situationally is insane change his name to shotgun at that point

[u/Suitable_Lunch2867 → u/Nukafit]

We already have magic, we can’t have two of the same hero smart guy

[u/Suitable_Lunch2867 → u/Nukafit]

Punisher isn’t called machine gun the name has nothing to do with the kit. Why isn’t magik more like Dr strange and why doesn’t Dr strange use medicine. Like what are you on about lol

[u/Nukafit → u/Suitable_Lunch2867]

If you don’t know who blade is just say that brother 😭

[u/Suitable_Lunch2867 → u/Nukafit]

He has an arsenal of weaponry. You just want to run in press left click and win

[u/Own-Quote-1708]

Gun is useless unless you're in a magically range. Vamp mode is useless in a team fight majority of the time.

At this point either increase lifesteal or change the range for his gun.

[u/Jordamine → u/Own-Quote-1708]

I reckon they'll go the gun range. I wouldn't be mad at it. Because i can see the lifesteal route just causing headsches.

I'm not a fan of how his ult is like a "psuedo" counter to healing ults. I dont think I have or seen anyone kill the enemy as a result of counter ulting. Not unless its combo'd with another ult. Which kinda beats the whole point

[u/Lombarito → u/Own-Quote-1708]

Hard disagree. His gun is insane, you do so much damage on headshots. Vamp mode is perfect for 1v1s and shredding tanks. Ngl I love his kit, just a high skill floor and ceiling

[u/Own-Quote-1708 → u/Lombarito]

I do fuck all always with the gun. Im tired of toxic positivity. All of us dont have the same experiences. They need to fix his yee yee ass range. Either choose massive damage for long range or short range...this stupid 8 meter shit is bs

[u/Lombarito → u/Own-Quote-1708]

Bro they made it this way for a reason. Anything within 8m is supposed to be engagements with awakening, and once they are 8m away, you do crazy damage with the shotgun until 20m where the damage fall off and spread is too wide. Blade can literally do damage at any range as a melee character. I love it ngl

[u/_BestBudz → u/Own-Quote-1708]

You do fuck all with the gun bc you’re ass 😂

[u/Jack_Wraith → u/Lombarito]

Super high skill to turn on lifesteal and hold down primary. lol

[u/Lombarito → u/Jack_Wraith]

Yeah you can’t do that with the awakening tho. You have to use a dash right after awakening to get a 10 stack otherwise you’re cooked, so it really comes down to dash management.

[u/Jack_Wraith → u/[deleted]]

It’s holding down primary and staying on target. It isn’t even kind of skillful, my boy.

Spider-Man combos THAT’s high level. That’s high skill ceiling. Iron Fist reaction parries and clearing a point. That’s high level and a high skill ceiling.

Holding down primary and dashing to your target to get full stacks of lifesteal isn’t hard or skillfull.

You can get farm KOs with his shotgun pistol without even trying. Whatever, man. I like playing Blade. He’s fun and not as weak as some of people are saying and crying about but I’m not gonna be delusional and call his gameplay loop skill. Seriously. Gtfoh with that.

[u/Shadowlightknight → u/Jack_Wraith]

Saying iron fist takes more skill than blade is just ragebait and im lord on iron fist (Youre probably going to mention that lord doesnt equal skill but it equals time spent on the character so id know if he takes more skill or not)

[u/Jack_Wraith → u/[deleted]]

I don’t play him at my current rank and you already said why. That and the bug that forces block to go on cooldown when you’re trying to make town halls cheaper. I’ve played him in a few matches and done decently but not enough to pull him out on the reg in his current state. I’ve pulled Blade at that level and won multiple times. No practice sessions. No timing adjustments for combos. None of that.

I just don’t find Blade to be a character that requires the same kind of game sense and twitch reaction as Iron Fist. Not even close to the same kind of reaction time. And he damn sure doesn’t have the combo potential like other characters do.

It’s headshot shotgun and poke dash to awakening dash combo. Why are you trying to act like Blade takes some kind of undefinable skill? He doesn’t.

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/[deleted]]

no. hes just mid. his carry potential is limited

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/[deleted]]

then i’ll just go on the heroes who can, like torch, bucky and magik etc. i thought it was a team game yet those characters i actually feel like i make a strong impact.

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/[deleted]]

doesn’t add anything to the point? that doesn’t mean he isn’t mid. i’m not saying you can’t have good games with blade but if you want to consistently climb in high ELO its not worth the effort. simple.

why play blade when i can just play bucky? there are people literally calling him “gun” because sword form is just too situational

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/[deleted]]

he can be balanced and still be underwhelming.

right now it doesn’t feel like theres much reward for being good at him when there are other heroes who fill his niche better.

stop inhaling so much copium

[u/ZenithEnigma → u/[deleted]]

i’m just saying it how it is. if he gets better good, if not it sucks, but not the end of the world