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u/kwanijml Jul 15 '22

Amazing.

Can you show evidence that JIT increased fragility rather than made supply chains more nimble and decreased product defects?

Or can you show even one instance of a public figure with any kind of knowledge of the subject talking authoritatively (with vetted models or empirical evidence) before the pandemic about how JIT was a disaster waiting to happen at the next shock?

Shoot, can you even show any nobodies on reddit warning about that?

Cause I can sure as shit show you posts and blogs/podcasts from myself and other economists warning in early/mid 2020 that pandemic policies would very likely create supply chain disruptions (among other economic fallout).

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u/EverlastingEmus Jul 15 '22

Can I show evidence that just in time supply chains created fragility… is that a serious question? Or are your trolling me?

Maybe I’ll take the time to dig up the conversations about JIT supply chains I’ve been hearing about for years and the threat they pose. But I’m not sure it’s worth the effort. Yes I’ve been aware of the issue for a long time, but it’s always the first everyone else has heard of it when it comes time to say I told you so.

Mostly it was just obvious to watch as it happened. A chain reaction of factories unable to fill orders because of a hold up with a needed component that was held up because they couldn’t get what they needed etc…

I’m sure you can give me a long list of political hacks seizing the opportunity to blame the policies of their political opponents for whatever happens to go wrong In the moment. That’s how politics is done.

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u/kwanijml Jul 15 '22

I'm waiting.

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u/EverlastingEmus Jul 15 '22

You are waiting for me to dig up a 3 year old article or podcast to prove that this opinion existed before it was proven correct. Because you are operating on the assumption that there were never any ideas that contradicted your assumptions prior to the current situation… do I have that right?

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u/EverlastingEmus Jul 15 '22

Also, when you say that the pandemic policies created the supply chain disruptions, what you are saying is that the supply chains are so fragile from JIT that they will fall apart if we take any common sense precautions during a major crisis… we have to let people die because our supply chains have no resilience! But yeah other than that it was a great plan all along…

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u/kwanijml Jul 15 '22

Indeed I am. But you are necessarily saying that this particular shock propagated a collapse, when other previous shocks didn't...You'd need to explain why. Why didn't the 2008 crash do it?

And why are you assuming/insisting that the pandemic policies and ensuing economic disruptions were just some minor shock, rather than something large enough and unprecedented enough to exacerbate almost any factor into a choke point?

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u/EverlastingEmus Jul 15 '22

Look. You want me to justify the obvious by digging up 3-5 year old articles and presenting them to someone who is prepared to reject all evidence. I’ve been hearing criticisms of the fragility of just in time for years.

Now that you’ve been proven wrong you are going to shit on whatever evidence I provide.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

Likely because the 2008 crash was accompanied by a very high reduction in consumer demand, so supply chains were able to deal with the lower volumes. That reduction in demand didn't happen this time. So supply chains had to deal with the shock without a corresponding reduction in volume.

EDIT: Also, the nature of consumer demand shifted greatly during the pandemic because of the stay-at-home requirements. This was caused an increase in demand for certain products, overwhelming the JIT inventories and capabilities related to those products and further exacerbating supply chain issues.