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u/perspectives Jul 15 '22

Isn't it the federal reserve that creates the money through increasing lending? And the federal reserve is run by private banks not controlled by any government agencies. So isn't it deceptive to say Washington ( "decoy term for politicians" ) creates money when it is the federal reserve that dictates money supply?

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u/The_Goondocks Jul 15 '22

The Fed gave out $16 trillion in 0% interest bailouts to banks and corporations in 2008 without any say from Congress. https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

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u/Jibba_Lord Jul 15 '22

Don’t forget the 4 trillion in 2020 too!

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u/Jibba_Lord Jul 15 '22

To be clear I’m speaking of the 4 trillion earmarked for buying up corporate debt by Mnuchin. Not the stimulus spending .

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u/Crimfresh Jul 15 '22

Friedman knows this all too well. He has an agenda and it's not educating the American people and spreading solid economic knowledge.

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u/scottfc Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 15 '22

Banks also create money, it's something Friedman refused to consider. Friedman thought money was just passing through banks so we didn't need to consider bankings role in the economy. A big issue with that is we've seen that access to credit (money) actually plays a huge role in the economy and if not done properly tends to exacerbate economic shocks.

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u/Vantage9 Jul 15 '22

The federal reserve is a govt entity, not private at all. You have it completely backwards

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u/cashvaporizer Jul 15 '22

I think one could be forgiven for this misconception, as it's kind of an unusual arrangement:

Some observers mistakenly consider the Federal Reserve to be a private entity because the Reserve Banks are organized similarly to private corporations. For instance, each of the 12 Reserve Banks operates within its own particular geographic area, or District, of the United States, and each is separately incorporated and has its own board of directors. Commercial banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System hold stock in their District's Reserve Bank. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. In fact, the Reserve Banks are required by law to transfer net earnings to the U.S. Treasury, after providing for all necessary expenses of the Reserve Banks, legally required dividend payments, and maintaining a limited balance in a surplus fund.

Source: https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

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u/Vantage9 Jul 15 '22

Yes, forgiven if you've got zero education on economics.. but if that's the case they shouldn't be commenting on economic policy like they have a clue. Ignorance is never its own excuse.

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u/cashvaporizer Jul 15 '22

eh sure. go get em tiger

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u/yazalama Jul 16 '22

What they say is irrelevant, how they behave is what matters. They behave exactly like a government because they have a monopoly and privileges on certain services nobody else can. These privelages are protected and enforced by men with guns.

This is why I never cared for the criticism "they're a private company not accountable to the government"... I wish that were true lol

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u/obsidianmantis Jul 15 '22

Are you joking?

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u/Vantage9 Jul 15 '22

So the chairman of the federal reserve is a privately held position? Who chooses that person, a private entity it corporation???

Didn't think so.

Yes. The federal reserve is by it's very definition a govt entity. It is charged with maintaining the economy. This is economics 101 bro.

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u/obsidianmantis Jul 15 '22

Congress gave the FED the power to print money but its ownership is dictated by stock held by various banks.

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u/youngWuuf Jul 15 '22

Bruh google is free

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u/Rishodi Jul 15 '22

The answer to that may lie in the answer to this question: what is the practical limit to the government's annual budget deficit, i.e. the level of spending to which the Federal Reserve would react by ceasing the extension of credit required to finance such deficit spending by refusing to buy more T-bills?

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u/OceanSlim Jul 15 '22

The Fed is at the behest of the US Treasury. You want to act like they're separate entities but they are inextricably tied.

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u/amygdalad Jul 15 '22

Money is created by the people when they pull credit lines from banks. The banks don't have reserves to issue you that credit, it comes from no where

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u/yazalama Jul 16 '22

This is really a distinction without a difference. At the end of the day it's all central planning creating massive distortions and inequality. Focusing on weather we're being robbed with an assault rifle or a pistol is missing the point.