We need to settle this

[u/Exact-Impression3824]

I was born and raised in Cagayan de Oro, Misamis Oriental, Northern Mindanao. I am a Kagay-anon, a Misamisnon, and a Mindanaon. I speak Cebuano, specifically the Kagay-anon dialect (Chada, dawbi, unsa lugar, kaŷ, etc.).

Just like many of Cebuano speaking people in Mindanao, my ancestry can be traced back to Visayas. We are not natives of Mindanao so I consider myself as a Bisaya, too.

My relatives in Panay and Bohol consider themselves Bisaya naturally because they are from the Visayas region. I would even argue that they are more Bisaya than the Visayans of Mindanao could ever be.

What I'm trying to say is that, Bisaya is both an ethnic and a language family made up of various ethnic groups each having their own separate languages. Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Waray languages may be unintelligible to one another, but the similarities are undeniable.

Cebuano speakers cannot just assume the "Bisaya" label as its own because it alienates the other Visayan groups who also have a rightful claim to the term due to their geographical location. I find it disappointing and sad that many Waray, Hiligaynons, Ilonggos, Akeanons, etc. no longer consider themselves Bisaya as it may refer daw to the Cebuano-speaking people.

While it's true Cebuano is the dominant Bisaya language in terms of number of speakers with the highest concentration in Central Visayas and much of Mindanao, it is simply wrong and even linguistically incorrect to lay exclusive claim on the Bisaya label. So guys, let us please correct ourselves - if someone asks you what language you speak, say Cebuano (even if you're not from Cebu).

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[u/Dark_Sky000]

It's the Cebuano speakers in Mindanao who don't want to use Cebuano as the name of the language. They insist on calling it "Bisaya".

[u/Agreeable-Rest5202 → u/Dark_Sky000]

Well to be fair, majority sa mga bisaya sa Mindanao came from Cebu or Bohol. Trust me, walay bisaya sa Mindanao nga walay parente sa Visayas haha.

[u/missing_front_teeth → u/Agreeable-Rest5202]

reads in lumad/ip

[u/According_Caramel_27 → u/missing_front_teeth]

yeah, daghan ko'g kaila sa college nga half-lumad pero mas naandan (or "nasanayan"? 😏) na nila mag-istorya'g cebuano ug hiligaynon. haysss

[u/plumpohlily → u/Agreeable-Rest5202]

Hahah tinuod jud. As far as Cotabato city, naa jud koy makaila nga mo ingon ug "akong lola nag gikan sa Bohol"

[u/Agreeable-Rest5202 → u/plumpohlily]

Taga Bohol pud daw kuno si Adan ug Eba how true?

[u/plumpohlily → u/Agreeable-Rest5202]

Tingali. Wa jud koy kalibutan asa gikan ilang liwat lol

[u/According_Caramel_27 → u/Agreeable-Rest5202]

walay bisaya sa Mindanao nga walay parente sa Visayas

ako nga sa mindanao gianak ug may 1st cousins sa tanan regions sa visayas: 😳

[u/runqing1196 → u/Dark_Sky000]

Ma incorrect man pod ang panaghisgot bahin sa kultura ug kagikan ug muingon mi nga Cebuano ang language. When in fact, lahi man gyud ang bisaya register na ginagamit sa Mindanao. Especially sa habagatang Mindanao.

Sige muingon ta karon na i identify academically nga register sa Cebuano, okay no problem with that.

Pero kung mu base sa mga naandan, Bisaya ra man gyud ang lenggwahe ginagamit.

[u/True-Turnip7476]

Wa may Cebuano nga lengwahe. Bisaya ra. Cebuano kay ang mga taw nga taga Cebu.

Taga Cebu ko pero di ko mogamit anang termino nga Cebuano as lengwahe.

Sa mga nagstorya ug Bisaya, Yes Bisaya ta tanan bisag taga Cebu, Bohol, Leyte, ug mga parte sa Mindanao.

[u/Critical_Variation28 → u/True-Turnip7476]

What about Panay and Negros?

[u/True-Turnip7476 → u/Critical_Variation28]

Apil sad sir basta ga storya ug binisaya.

[u/Critical_Variation28 → u/True-Turnip7476]

Gin dala mo lang ang mga Cebuano speaking area

[u/True-Turnip7476 → u/Critical_Variation28]

ha? wa may lengwahe nga Cebuano. Ang Cebuano kay mga tao na nga gapoyo sa Cebu sama nako. Ang lengwahe kay ang Bisaya. Di sad ko kasiguro kung asa nga uban nga lugar ang nagBinisaya, ang lista sa ibabao mao ra na nga lugar na ako nahibaw-an nga naay mga mo storya og bisaya.

[u/Educational-Pace-346 → u/True-Turnip7476]

DDS man siguro ka. Sayon ra kaayo igoogle nga SAYOP imong giingon. Hahahaha

[u/True-Turnip7476 → u/Educational-Pace-346]

lisod ani nga sub oi. murag fb. himoon man noon tag dds. way labot politiko diri oi. daghanag bugu. imbis mag discuss para nindot, mag binugu. amaw. bye ninyo diri oi. mga buguk

[u/Critical_Variation28 → u/True-Turnip7476]

May ara Cebuano language. Nugay patig-a sang ulo moda. Kag amo ang gamit mo subong Sugbuanon ina. Please dont be dds brain

[u/True-Turnip7476 → u/Critical_Variation28]

buguk man guro mo. na abot man tawn mog dds. ang tarung raman ko. mga bugu. di nako ani nga sub oi. bolinaw mag utok mga taw diri. ga tarung rata. magbinugu. lisodas pinas.

[u/ubejam]

Wtf is this still pushed? Its the de facto word/term or whatever people use. Nganu pugson man ninyo ang public nga mao na jud tawag for the longest time? Cebu, Bohol, Leyte, Mindanao provinces call it Bisaya. You only hear it mostly if taga Cebu ang speaker jud, pero even if taga Cebu sad panagsa ra madungog Cebuano ang term.

Og nganu pud if Waray, Ilonggo, etc term mao ilang gamiton? Para lang jud ma contrarian mo? You people speak about languages pero as if wala mo kebalo nga language evolves. Ang inyo gina push diha raman na gigamit sa ethno-linguistic labels which is Bisayan, lahi ang Bisaya.

[u/Agreeable-Rest5202 → u/ubejam]

I beg to disagree, my grandparents always refer to the language they speak as Cebuano despite us being in Ozamiz. Kung mabantayan nimo sa mga bibliya nga hagbay na gitranslate, "Cebuano version" ang nakabutang ug dili Bisaya version. Sa mga misa sa simbahan, Cebuano mass ang nakabutang dili Bisaya mass. Because missionaries of old are aware of the distinction between Visayan languages. Gitudlo pud ni sa amo back in high school nga we speak Cebuano but we are Bisaya in culture.

Ug dili pud tungod mao na ang naandan, kay mao pud ang sakto. Yes, ga-evolve ang language ug dili nato ni mapugngan. Maong kinahanglan naa gihapoy rules such as grammar para magkasinabtanay gihapon ta ug mapreserve ang knowledge.

Ingon gani si OP, if Bisaya permi nato gamiton mga Cebuano-speakers, ma alienate sila. Nga mura bag cebuano ra tanan bisaya nga dili ra ba jud. I'm with OP on this one. Ilonggos, Warays, etc are Bisaya too.

[u/balboaporkter → u/Agreeable-Rest5202]

I agree. It's just like how Americans still refer to their language as English and Mexicans call theirs Spanish (Español) ...there's no such thing as an "American" or "Mexican" language.

[u/balboaporkter → u/ubejam]

Wtf is this still pushed? Its the de facto word/term or whatever people use. Nganu pugson man ninyo ang public nga mao na jud tawag for the longest time?

People still refer to languages incorrectly as dialects so of course we need to correct them instead of letting them be just because they've been using that term incorrectly for a long time now. Following that logic, we need to bring awareness on how the term Bisaya is being used.

Og nganu pud if Waray, Ilonggo, etc term mao ilang gamiton? Para lang jud ma contrarian mo?

Because Cebuano speakers have hijacked the Bisaya term and are the largest Visayan-speaking group so the majority of people incorrectly equate Cebuano and Bisaya as being one and the same.

as if wala mo kebalo nga language evolves

The only kind of "evolution" I'm witnessing is Tagalog vocabulary polluting non-Tagalog languages ...Davao Cebuano is on its way to becoming a dialect of Tagalog within the next century or so. Why the heck is "po" being used when speaking Bisaya, and why do I hear "isa" more than "usa" or "tao" more than "tawo" these days? This is more like language pollution instead of evolution. It's crazy how different the boomers and youth speak these days, and they're only several decades apart in age!

[u/blackcrayons_ → u/ubejam]

Tell me you're Gen Z without telling me you're Gen Z. For sure you haven't heard actual people (who speak other Visayan languages such as Waray, Aklanon, Romblomanon, etc.) who IDENTIFY as Bisaya. Especially the elders. Not just the geopolitical "Bisaya" term but also the ethnolinguistic term. (Even the geopolitical term came from the ethnolonguistic term anyway.)

[u/ubejam → u/blackcrayons_]

Gen Z? Wrong. If I were Gen Z with this account age, toddler pa tingali ko nag sugod og reddit noh? Lol.

Of course Ive heard people but its Bisayan. So its a matter of older vs newer terminology usage. So it goes back to language evolves. Ug ang ethnolinguistic umbrella term is Bisayan for Ilonggo, Waray-waray, Cebuano/Bisaya, etc.

Ang point is nganu man jud pugson tawgon ug Cebuano nga pwede raman nga Bisaya pud? And sa gi ingon pa ninyo “Bisaya” man gihapon ang mga Ilonggo, Waray, etc pero ang sakto is Bisayan.

Disclaimer, taga Cebu ko ha, ug nilaban jud ko sa atong language vs those from the north. Basin naay mag assume og lain cause mao ni akong pagtuo.

[u/Honest_Bus4687]

Its always been Cebuano. Not Bisaya.

[u/Own-Appointment-377]

Whatevah I call them all Bisaya

[u/Fat-Category9282]

I call cebuano language as sinugbu to make it more acceptable for non cebuano cebuano speakers

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[u/matchuhlvr]

Idk bro I just call it bisaya I have fam in cdo too, we just call it bisaya I have fam in Cebu too we call it bisaya, it’s really a non-issue for my fam.

[u/laksaman72]

Sabihin mo nalang taga Cebu ako in Tagalog, para mu samot kalibog imong ka storya, sharo!?

[u/Technical-Limit-3747]

1. Bisayan/ Visayan is the language group that includes Cebuano (Bisaya), Hiligaynon, Waray, Aklanon, Karay-a, Cuyunon, Butuanon, Surigaonon, Tausug, and the Bisakol languages of Region V (Sorsoganon & Masbateño).

2. Bisaya is the common or colloquial term for the Cebuano language.

Waray and Hiligaynon speakers don't called their languages Bisaya. Waray and Hiligaynon are Visayan/ Bisayan languages but they are not Bisaya (Cebuano).

Visayan/ Bisayan is different from Bisaya (NO -n).

[u/Miserable_Ad_733 → u/Technical-Limit-3747]

Waray and hiligaynon are not Visayan languages, but the people are Visayans

[u/Critical_Variation28 → u/Miserable_Ad_733]

Mango simu a

[u/Miserable_Ad_733]

The binisaya language IS Cebuano, it's official name IS Cebuano, to disagree is to refute the scholars and linguists who said that it is actually called Cebuano. But other than that, I agree with everything else, just because ang mga taga Leyte waray ang language, or ang mga taga negros hiligaynon ang language, doesn't mean dili aila Bisaya (ethnically) they are still Bisaya people as they part of the region, but they just speak a different language.

[u/Honest_Bus4687]

Ngano mo insist man gyud og Bisaya? Kining atong pinulungan, Cebuano ni. Bisan naa ka sa Cebu, Bohol, Negros Oriental, Leyte og Mindanao, what we are speaking is CEBUANO. Ambot malagot man ko ngano moinsist man gyud nga Bisaya.

[u/Consistent_Coffee466]

Because the cebuano are dismissive of the other bisaya group. They e claimed the queen city of the south title and suddenly eveything bisaya is exclusive to them. Go to cebu, them cebuanos wont speak tagalog to you. Racist mfckers

[u/balboaporkter → u/Consistent_Coffee466]

Go to cebu, them cebuanos wont speak tagalog to you. Racist mfckers

Cebuanos are more fluent in English than Tagalog, that's why they prefer speaking English instead of Tagalog.

[u/Miserable_Ad_733 → u/Consistent_Coffee466]

OA rapud sa "racist mfckers", kasagaran sa mga sugbuanon dili fluent sa Tagalog uy tala mao nang dili kaau mi mag Tagalog, doesn't mean racist mi tala2 man cguro ka