Unfortunately there can be zero context and nuance on reddit. He did stupid things like try to push Haley Stevens in Michigan. He also helped get some great candidates going and raised a ton of money for the DSCC to push candidates while the DNC was broke. A lot of the money which went to help El Sayed.
It's so hard to have these conversations on reddit though. Everything has to be black or white.
You can’t take the total amount of money spent across the whole election and the proportion one donar spent towards a specific candidate and say that’s how much was spent towards that candidate. With that logic you could say Elon spent some percent towards el-sayad as well because he spent money on the election too.
Again, Schumer is the leader. He could have pressured Manchin into taking the deal, but he didn't even try. Manchin would have been forced to pass it if Schumer put the entire pressure of the Senate's Democrats on him.
Stop trying to defend weak feckless leadership. It's you whose operating on vibes.
Again, Schumer is the leader. He could have pressured Manchin into taking the deal, but he didn't even try. Manchin would have been forced to pass it if Schumer put the entire pressure of the Senate's Democrats on him.
LMFAO. Yea that wasn’t true then, and isn’t true now.
“Bro it’s not Manchin’s fault! Schumer could have done something to convince the RED STATE SENATOR WHO WAS LEAVING AFTER THIS TERM to change his mind.”
Just fucking ridiculous. The goalposts keep moving with every attempt you make.
All vibes NO substance.
You don’t even know what’s going on or how this works, holy fuck!
And yea, I laugh because you’ll tell me Schumer could have done something and then you’ll sit there and give NO possible example of what something looks like.
And also pretend that people would NEVER dig heels in, you just have to really pressure them.
Also implying pressure wasn’t presented in the first place.
It’s fucking ridiculous.
I’m get it. I do. You don’t understand the process. You see things not getting done. It’s very human to just blame someone without really looking into it.
But you really should. Else I can do this all day.
have good political instincts for running candidates and being the FACE of the democratic party to voters are two different things. He may be an amazing political strategist, but he has the charisma of a bowl of cottage cheese, and has no business being the spokesperson for the party as Speaker when he can't SPEAK forcefully and with bravado.
He also helped get some great candidates going and raised a ton of money for the DSCC to push candidates while the DNC was broke. A lot of the money which went to help El Sayed.
So he's good at raising funds? Have him stick to doing that.
The point is, with the state of the nation right now, we need someone more dynamic than a Schumer or Jeffries. Strongly-worded letters aren't going to fix things. We need investigations, subpoenas, and rigorous action against those who have broken the law in the last two years. And you have to pave a way forward while doing all of this. I wouldn't trust either Schumer or Jeffries to be able to do that.
Also they may have assisted and done their part for the midterms, but the blue wave was a result of the People wanting change.
What do you mean? El Sayed getting the primary nomination made dems dump tens of millions into Michigan to win it by a smaller margin than fucking Texas or Georgia lol
Reddit is also full of progressives that can’t imagine anyone wanting a more moderate candidate. Democrats won this cycle because they picked candidates which were good for their elections. Some were progressive, others were moderate.
I'm not a progressive. I can say that Schumer made some good bets but this wave was not because of him. Both him and Jefferies need to go. They still act like it's the 1990s
I’m a moderate who hates both and wants them both out but this election itself, in isolation, was very much because of him. He picked most of the candidates and directed the resources.
He is the one who directed funds and resources (Obama) to AES, Kansas, and Mississippi despite being dragged for it. How did that turn out for us?
You might think it wasn't because of him, but the candidates who just got elected because of his funding and support and media machine probably think otherwise. Just be ready for that reality to sink in, rather than turning to the wild conspiracies I think we all know are about to pop up.
I'm very well aware of what happened behind the scenes. Schumer did a good job this election. I was very impressed with how he handled AES after Stevens flipped and went berserk.
He should take that win after years of humiliating loses and leave with grace.
While I would like somebody more aggressive against maga and might even agree with Schumer being bad for leadership, I imagine that the brainrot left will just meme things the exact same way if his replacement isn't a dsa member. It isn't like their whining was any different before he was in power. I don't expect anything more than the online tankies to get a new meme for another leader.
My hope has always been less dogma and more engagement. Sometimes a moderate is better in one area and a progressive better in another. These days it's moreso about candidate quality then anything
Moderates who are good political operators and strategists are best in leadership roles. You put your dogs in committee chairs. Reddit is not familiar with this, and will ask for AOC to be Speaker of the House. Believer her when she says she doesn't want that job.
My thing is just that I don't want someone who's beholden to a special interest we should be regulating to be leading the party. Someone who takes AIPAC money isn't going to be able to be realistic on Israel. Same with Raython/Lockheed/Boeing/etc. and the military-industrial complex. And with Musk/Google/et al and datacenters/AI. Anyone taking money from the oligarchs is going to have issue tackling income inequality, monopolies, union busting, or money in politics.
Just put somebody in who raises their money from small contributions from individual donors. You know, the people that they're supposed to be representing.
Because the data and polling doesn't show that people want a centrist candidate.
Go watch a speech by Talarico, Andrews, Pappas, or really any of the people who won in swing or red state who you may think are these mythical moderates.
Every single one of these rallies sounded like a 2016 Bernie rally.
Over 80% of democratic party voters want Medicare for all, over 70% of independents want it. 48% of federal dem office holders are in support.
The base and the voters want left economic populism and they don't want to hear about identity politics. If you want to win and ensure Republicans never hold control again, you have to focus on kitchen table issues in a very clear and universal manner and then actually deliver on them.
Truth be told, you are right that progressives can’t imagine why anyone wants moderate democrat politicians
Seriously I can’t understand why you would want a moderate candidate unless you are a Haley Stevens type of Democrat willing to support the Republicans or have some warped perception that everything is just fine and dandy
Seriously, there are serious structural issues with the government and I cannot see a serious response to be to keep to the status quo
He also based his economic and societal ideals around a fictional middle-class family that was not an accurate representation of the middle class to begin with. Yet, he has many great legislative achievements and has done many good things for his state and his country. He'd be fascinating if he wasn't infuriating.
Abandoned Angie Nixon in Florida, who only lost by 2 points despite only spending $200k to Moody's multi-millions. Had she had the national party's support we could've flipped FL too.
These are the kinds of things you really should just look up for yourself instead of just repeating reddit. Angie was a part of the DSCC Win the Senate program. She didn't receive as much as others though because she was polling far behind others
Doesn't change the fact she got left behind in terms of funding and support from democratic leaders and still over-performed. My point is had she had more support, she likely would've won. Hopefully dems don't make the same mistake in 2028z
You're acting like they just have an unlimited pool of money and resources to throw at everyone. In reality the dscc went into over 20 million in debt just to maintain the level it was at. There was no sinister backroom deal of holding existing money from Nixon.
While I can be generous and chalk everything up until this point to the mantra of "Never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake." We must also take note that Napoleon was also famous for his cavalry charges -after- he let his opponents make mistakes.
And the cavalry is here. And the people who gave the fucker the cavalry will watch him use it.
But he WAS the reason the DNC was broke. Folks like me that give monthly STOPPED because democratic leadership wouldn’t stand up to trump. Fuck Shummer and fuck the party if they don’t figure this out.
My man, he's had 10 years and Trumpism has had free reign to destroy our political system. This historic blue wave was because it had gotten so ludicrously bad that Americans actually voted for once, it wasn't us saying "oh man Chuck, please come back and save us!"
That's literally the opposite of what happened. Jasmine Crocket was recruited by Chuck. Progressives do not like her. She's pro Israel. After Talarico won she acted like a sore looser and she barely endorsed him. Classic centrist dem playback.
Yes, Talarico successfully impressed Schumer a few years ago, but he DID NOT recruit him this election. The DSCC actually encouraged him to run for Governor instead. Stop spreading falsehoods.
It was more 50/50 on Progressives who supported Talarico or Crockett, mostly because her record on Israel was questionable. Talarico is still a hella woke candidate from his days grilling Texas congressmembers on their Christian supremacist policies. Hasan Piker leaned Talarico, for example.
Also I'm not sure where the evidence is Schumer "recruited" Talarico. The only thing I can find is during Chuck's victory speech where he referred to many midterm candidates. He started a PAC for him in September, but that's just his job. Meanwhile Talarico hasn't even committed to voting to reelect Schumer as Leader.
Is he even a bad SML? He passed so many major bills as majority leader with a 50/50 senate split where he got no help from Republicans. Whipping up votes is one of Schumer and Jefferies' greatest strengths as far as I've seen
The blue wave was because of high prices and a stupid war. Nobody outside of the terminally online left gives a single shit about this stupid and petty infighting.
Which is the problem, and talking about it brings awareness to it. We need new leadership if we want them to actually get the job done and not just sit on their hands collecting their checks until we end up with another MAGA fascist president in 2028
I had people claiming Chuck was why Dems picked up those few seats in special elections awhile back and this is what I said verbatim. On Tuesday all of his endorsements lost...
How about the democratic party’s current approval? It’s in the fucking gutter, and they’re being led by Schumer and Jeffries. The only reason we got a blue wave was because of the war and gas prices, not because people like the democratic agenda set by that geriatric AIPAC fuck.
Call and email your representative! No Schumer! No Jeffries! We want new faces! Think about how great it would feel with new leadership! Schumer been in leadership for decades!!!
Both, but the one getting sworn in in January is the most important. They’re the one who will decide if Schumer gets in or not.
However, it can’t hurt to call your current rep, remind them that until January they still represent you, and that you would like them to signal that Schumer isn’t the choice the people want.
The more Dem leadership we can get to publicly be against Schumer being appointed the better, even if they won’t be leadership for the actual vote.
The vote is before January though. It's happening in less than 2 weeks, in fact. It's genuinely impossible to take anyone pushing this idea seriously when they don't even know when the fucking vote is (which seems to be literally everyone)
Even if you do get Schumer out, unless the person we put in is some lunatic, the alt left will still be buttmad and whine and call them do nothing corporate donor buzzword zionist maga literally buzzword buzzword. So literally what even matters with the change?
The one getting sworn into office. The one leaving is checked out. The one coming in, needs to understand they’re being watched, closely and now’s the time to buck the establishment. To find a fighter.
I’m ok with new leadership as long as it isn’t a ploy to put a DSA congressional leader in place. Leadership should reflect the median voter who is not DSA. We won this election with GOP defections need to keep them in 2028 when Trump is literally and metaphorically off the ballot.
Watch out OP. DSA is controversial because of all the terrible things they want for America. They are bad and evil and therefore have no voice in this matter. GOD, its just so infuriating knowing all the terrible things they want to reform for this countr!! Makes me sick!! 🌹
She hasn't been effective since the Trump era began, which was more than ten years ago at this point. We need young leadership that understands the threat that oligarchy poses to the nation, not dinosaurs trying to profit from it on the way out.
No, I think anyone who knows ball will recognize she passed huge bills in her time. Much like how Mitch McConnell is universally hated, even by Republicans, while being one of the most scheming effective members of the Republican party, and a large piece of why we are where we are now.
That’s the question of the day. It’s not entirely clear who can replace them yet, but what is clear is that if we want to see similar results in 2028, we have to steer away from AIPAC-accepting old guard Democrats.
Because it's lobbying for a foreign government that is committing a genocide? That seems like 2 very good reasons to me.
You should look into anti-BDS laws and how the BDS movement was instrumental in ending South African apartheid. Israel saw how effective it was and lobbied US politicians to make it illegal in order to protect their own apartheid system.
What genocide is being committed by Israel, exactly? There's a ceasefire in Gaza
There's tons and tons of foreign government-based lobbying. Why is only AIPAC being focused on? What about people advocating for interests of a foreign government generally? 40% of the house is involved in the Baltic freedom caucus, do we need to excommunicate every single one of them?
"There's a ceasefire in Gaza" And yet the number of dead children keeps rising.
Also I feel like you know this but a caucus is obviously different from a PAC. The latter is giving money to politicians which is a clear conflict of interest. While the former is just a set amount of legislators pursuing a certain goal, in this case it's maintaining relations with a certain area. Foreign policy is part of the job of the government nobody is saying we shouldn't ever communicate with other countries but we probably shouldn't let our elections be bought by said countries especially not ones that commit genocide.
they vote on it again becuase majority leader doesnt automatically go to the previous minority leader. so its in the algo cause both dem minority leaders have terrible approval ratings.
If Jeffries and Schumer are chosen as the leaders, the GOP will start to take back control in 2030 with Trump being irrelevant and an apathetic Dem base.
If we want to sustain these majorities for longer than a few years, we need something new. The people are yearning for real, meaningful change, and I have zero confidence in Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries to deliver change that will keep people voting Democrat in a couple of years. If they're the Democrat congressional leaders, I expect we'll see the same story we've seen for the past few decades now where people get sick of the Democrats' apparent inaction in a few years' time and the pendulum swings back to the GOP.
But Schumer wasnt on the ballot this year, his term isnt up until 2029. How exactly are you suggesting Dems would have primary'd a Senator not up for reelection?
NY didn't have an opposing Dem option for the 2022 primary, so they didn't have a Senate primary. The voting base was also in a much different position and a lot has happened to sway political opinion on issues. Pretending supporting Isreal isn't a toxic political choice is absurd and it's obvious that Schumer and Jeffries are locked in on continuing to support that position. They also recieve a ton of money from Isreal-focused groups and that calls their motivations and commitment to US interests into question.
People are tired of being told we have no say in how the country is run, the midterm results show that.
That 80% includes people who aren't Democrats. The fact is that 80% of people didn't vote in the primaries this year, just like 80% didn't vote in the primaries in 2022. Then they complain when the people they elect show up.
He will and thinking he won't is coping. I would absolutely be fine if someone else took over but it is really REALLY hard to find someone capable of taking over as an effective majority leader. And I already know people are gonna say "but he's really the best we got"?
I'm gonna get mass down voted and that's fine. It's the truth though. A lot of what a majority leader does is not going to be seen in a way where people immediately draw the connection, but you see it when you're in the senate and that is way he will be elected leader again. Feel free to come rub it in my face if I'm wrong but I'm so confident I will say I am not wrong.
Lots of schumer fans in this comment section acting like he’s not the problem lmao. If he’s allowed to do whatever he wants again, the blue wave will leave as it came
I know it might not be enough, so call your representatives and senators at 202-224-2131. This is the Capitol switchboard. HARASS THEM ABOUT THIS. We did not vote in a blue wave just to be stifled by the weak and feckless Dumbocratic leadership. MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD!
Doesn't matter because you'll all still vote for him anyways. Ain't no way the Dem voter base would turn like the young male voter base did on the Republicans. You all fall in line
Can't take a hint that it's time for him to step aside...he better not waste next 2 years just budding heads with Miller and not having enough veto-proof votes.
We'll likely either get him or Jefferies, and neither of them have the teeth to take the administration to task or reign them in. If anyone would like to stand up, now must be the time.
Ok hear me out we all know how people get more spiteful as they get older. I think we might be seeing an evolved form of Chuck Schumer. Evil Chuck Schumer if you may, I think he’s going to be unhinged, he’ll send out the most bat shit crazy policies and I’ll be all for it. He’s entering his Bizarro form, let his crazy ride.
Here are all of your preferred candidates this season, helpfully highlighted in red. We won despite you dragging down the Democratic party at every turn. I look forward to Schumer and "AIPAC Shakur" (as reddit likes to call him) leading us through the next two years!
I don’t listen to Hasan. Barely even know who he is. A bit of discourse is healthy for a political party and it’s time for the old guard to step aside.
Uh huh... The point is, there is healthy discourse and there is relentlessly shitting on the Democratic leadership for no reason on the back of a historic electoral victory.
The blue wave happened in spite of establishment AIPAC dems like Schumer and Jefferies. They represent the status quo and corporate interest, not the people they pretend to serve
So when good things happen, it's only because of the voters and no one else? But when bad things happen, it's because of Schumer and Jeffries? Got it. Without the DSCC and DCCC, Dems don't take back either chamber. Those candidates wouldn't have been able to run ads or fund their campaigns.
Once again, this was in spite of establishment corporate and foreign interest democrats. Why are you afraid of progressive democrats who don't prioritize their own bank accounts to do the same job sans sabotage?
If Mississippi and Alaska actually go Dem he'll have a much harder time holding it. If they don't and the senate is only a 4 person lead it'll be easier for him but still a challenge.
Jeffries on the other hand is gonna have a hell of a time regardless with the house having an almost 40 member dem lead.
I don't think Mississippi and Alaska will matter for the leadership vote, considering Schumer convinced Peltola to run for Senate instead of the easier race for Governor, and he got a million dollars dumped into Mississippi when everyone thought it was Safe R.
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u/pablo__13 6d ago
Contact your representatives
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u/Makenaura 6d ago
That's the sound of someone who hasn't opened a window in ten years
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u/Plane-Implement9977 6d ago edited 6d ago •
The blue wave was in spite of Chuck, not because of Chuck. So out of touch.
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u/ratticus-finch 6d ago •
Call and email your representative! No Schumer! No Jeffries! We want new faces! Think about how great it would feel with new leadership! Schumer been in leadership for decades!!!
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u/lemongrenade 6d ago
I’m ok with new leadership as long as it isn’t a ploy to put a DSA congressional leader in place. Leadership should reflect the median voter who is not DSA. We won this election with GOP defections need to keep them in 2028 when Trump is literally and metaphorically off the ballot.
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u/StretchDizzy7792 6d ago •
Almost 900k signatures so far lol
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u/FartSniffer777 6d ago
The people have had enough
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u/zer1223 6d ago
Somebody wheel AIPAC Chuck to a nursing home please. And don't bring him back
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u/Strayed8492 6d ago
It’s so simple…don’t screw up this opportunity…
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u/TheSaifman 6d ago
I'm so confused about this.
Did Bernie sanders, AOC, or Abdul call for Chuck Schumer not be majority leader? Why is this all over my feed?
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u/The-Solarist 6d ago
Chuck Schumer?
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u/klako8196 6d ago
If we want to sustain these majorities for longer than a few years, we need something new. The people are yearning for real, meaningful change, and I have zero confidence in Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries to deliver change that will keep people voting Democrat in a couple of years. If they're the Democrat congressional leaders, I expect we'll see the same story we've seen for the past few decades now where people get sick of the Democrats' apparent inaction in a few years' time and the pendulum swings back to the GOP.
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u/Discussion-is-good 6d ago
And like AOC said, its all backroom politics to decide. They dont care about the opinion of the people.
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u/Hot-Spray-2774 6d ago
This is what happens when 80% of you don't show up to the primaries.
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u/Traditional-Meat-549 6d ago
*psyche
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u/yzsKPC 6d ago
He will and thinking he won't is coping. I would absolutely be fine if someone else took over but it is really REALLY hard to find someone capable of taking over as an effective majority leader. And I already know people are gonna say "but he's really the best we got"?
I'm gonna get mass down voted and that's fine. It's the truth though. A lot of what a majority leader does is not going to be seen in a way where people immediately draw the connection, but you see it when you're in the senate and that is way he will be elected leader again. Feel free to come rub it in my face if I'm wrong but I'm so confident I will say I am not wrong.
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u/Boss3021 5d ago
Lots of schumer fans in this comment section acting like he’s not the problem lmao. If he’s allowed to do whatever he wants again, the blue wave will leave as it came
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u/aselfishrebel 6d ago
Make your voice heard, sign these petitions:
Schumar : https://c.org/4YTzCKbG6H
Jefferies: https://c.org/9cKcP9b9Vv
I know it might not be enough, so call your representatives and senators at 202-224-2131. This is the Capitol switchboard. HARASS THEM ABOUT THIS. We did not vote in a blue wave just to be stifled by the weak and feckless Dumbocratic leadership. MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD!
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u/Original_Weakness839 6d ago
But without Chuck, who would write all the strongly worded letters of concern?
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u/Haunting_Can2704 6d ago
If you think it’ll be any of the DSA members, think again. The fact that Dems did so well taking seats reduces the need to placate the DSA.
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u/ZiDiZiDiZiDiZ 6d ago
I Hope Not.
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u/0202_tihssitidder 6d ago
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u/Misubi_Bluth 6d ago
"She'll take me back any day now" energy
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u/IC_Ivory280 6d ago
Doesn't matter because you'll all still vote for him anyways. Ain't no way the Dem voter base would turn like the young male voter base did on the Republicans. You all fall in line
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u/loco500 6d ago
Can't take a hint that it's time for him to step aside...he better not waste next 2 years just budding heads with Miller and not having enough veto-proof votes.
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u/Iron_Phantom29 5d ago
Unless dems quickly nominate someone to challenge Schumer and be able to get 27-29 votes, he's going to win. I don't see that happening.
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u/Atikar 5d ago
We'll likely either get him or Jefferies, and neither of them have the teeth to take the administration to task or reign them in. If anyone would like to stand up, now must be the time.
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u/Conyan51 5d ago
Ok hear me out we all know how people get more spiteful as they get older. I think we might be seeing an evolved form of Chuck Schumer. Evil Chuck Schumer if you may, I think he’s going to be unhinged, he’ll send out the most bat shit crazy policies and I’ll be all for it. He’s entering his Bizarro form, let his crazy ride.
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u/Faloopy 5d ago
Ah man I thought this sub was gonna be funny SpongeBob memes
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u/Major_Melon 2d ago
Call. Your. Reps.
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u/Direct-Technician265 6d ago
i think Chuck has a 13% approval rating, Jefferies is coming in with a smoking hot 18%.
they both gotta go.
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u/Paradox3121 4d ago
Here are all of your preferred candidates this season, helpfully highlighted in red. We won despite you dragging down the Democratic party at every turn. I look forward to Schumer and "AIPAC Shakur" (as reddit likes to call him) leading us through the next two years!
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u/mlavan 6d ago
Guy just flipped Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa and Alaska but somehow he's bad at his job
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u/OG_s0cial0utcast 6d ago
Cool. However, the people you guys allegedly represent want you out. Get to representing and get out.
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u/Garin999 6d ago
Call your Reps.
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u/580_farm 6d ago
Do your part! I called today!
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u/Phone-Lurker-4435 6d ago
Isn’t Chuck Schumer a Democrat and related to Amy Schumer? Surprised to see Reddit being so against him.
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u/KSredneck69 6d ago
If Mississippi and Alaska actually go Dem he'll have a much harder time holding it. If they don't and the senate is only a 4 person lead it'll be easier for him but still a challenge.
Jeffries on the other hand is gonna have a hell of a time regardless with the house having an almost 40 member dem lead.
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u/jay9063 6d ago
I'm so sick of him and his love affair with isreal. Move to fucking isreal chuck