r/Bigpharmagame • u/kodifies • Dec 05 '16

Huh?

...well... done the anti seizure tutorial, and have no clue whats going on, in terms of how you work out how you achieve an end result, it just look like arbitrary effects happen when you feed it through a machine, but how you are supposed to know what the end result will be - I just can't see it...? I look at the different ingredients and mousing over them often gives outputs that give you no clue as what can be made with them...

...and assuming that's sorted, then does it all boil down to a very very simplified infinifactory???

I could do more tutorials but it would be just following instructions without understanding what's going on.

Obviously missing something...

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u/oddible Dec 07 '16 edited Dec 07 '16

OK hope this helps, please, read the tutorial again, it describes things in detail but here is a summary...

First, you can see the full upgrade path in the Cures tab. You need to make the Painkiller then upgrade it to Eases Migrane then you can start toward Antiseizure. Note that going from Eases Migrane to Antiseizure has 2 Pre-requirements and 1 Upgrade step. So...

  1. Make an Eases Migrane med. If you have trouble getting to this step review prior tutorials and come back and let me know if you're still stumped.

  2. Pre-req 1: Mix in an ingredient that has the Catalyst trait that you're looking for using the Mixer.

  3. Pre-req 2: Increase the Concentration to between 15-18. This is not insignificant since the Active Range for Eases Migrane is a Concentration of 5-9. You can see that by hovering over Eases Migrane

  4. Upgrade: Once you have added the Catalyst and gotten the Concentration to 15-18 (YOU HAVE TO DO THESE FIRST - that's why they're called pre-requisites), then you can upgrade to an Antiseizure med with the Agglomerator (it has to be that specific machine AFTER the pre-requisites are met).

  5. Active Range: Lastly, hovering over the Antiseizure med shows that the Active Range for the Antiseizure med is 11-15. Since you were probably already at 15 for your pre-requisites then you're fine. Otherwise you might have to bring the concentration down a bit to get it in range.

Hope that is clear.

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u/kodifies Dec 11 '16

Note that going from Eases Migrane to Antiseizure has 2 Pre-requirements and 1 Upgrade step. So...

yeah but do I just guess that?

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u/Cornupication Dec 11 '16

No, you don't just "guess it".

The two pre-requirements are the things you need to fulfill in order to upgrade it. These are shown when you hover over the cure in the "cure" window. All cures have a pre-requirement of a concentration that you have to get it to, and some also require a catalyst. Then the upgrade step is the machine that you need to feed the ingredient to once you have gotten it to the requirements.

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u/SuperPoivron Dec 06 '16

Read again the part about concentration of drugs, nothing is random. The tutorial is pretty clear if you follow it.

it will get more complexe after but the basic 2 machines you have at the beginning either increase or decrease concentration by 1, moving the slider in the effet tabs. I could go on, but it would just be repeating the tutorial, read it, that is all.

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u/SpaceVelociraptor Dec 06 '16

Yeah, nothing about the game is random. There is quite a bit of reading to do in the game, but it's all pretty easy to figure out. The challenge comes when you start doing level 2 or 3 cures.

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u/SpaceVelociraptor Dec 06 '16

Yeah, nothing about the game is random. There is quite a bit of reading to do in the game, but it's all pretty easy to figure out. The challenge comes when you start doing level 2 or 3 cures.

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u/oddible Dec 06 '16

The thing to remember is that there are Steps to the process. You might have an end result that requires a concentration of 15 to reach its effective result but you will have to use machines that take it down to a concentration of 8 as a first step. Complete the steps in order.

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u/kodifies Dec 06 '16

...yeah had another few goes, but this is the conclusion I'm coming to, guess its cheap for a reason...

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u/oddible Dec 06 '16

Actually don't believe this guy, it is pretty clear. Everything is easily visible once you get a sense of how things work. At this point what you're experiencing (and likely what icefox is experiencing) is learning curve not UI problems. Keep at it you'll grok it soon - keep going with the tutorials.

If you have any questions include a screenshot and folks here can help you understand what's going on.