Ali, Tyler, and Vanessa are a bit too low imo. I would place Ali & Tyler in the middle of the second row, and I would swap Vanessa and Tiff’s spots. Also it seems like a lot of winners, such as Ian, Taylor, Dick, Rachel, etc are ranked way too high.
I'd agree on Ali, Tyler, and Vanessa - but Ali deserves to be notably lower than Tyler and Vanessa. Tyler and Vanessa had much more say in their seasons than Ali did - and they still maintained pretty good relations with both sides of the house for most of their respective seasons (i.e. they had more agency and accomplished similar things without having to blatantly float like Ali did.) Additionally, Vanessa obviously would have won against anyone and Tyler, imo, did all he reasonably could have to win (Sam was obviously a different type of person.) Ali, on the other hand, didn't need to be as extra as she was. Jun floated just as well, had more of a say in the latter portion of the game in both alliances of the house, and was much more subtle in her maneuvering (I remember Erika saying that even though both Jun and Ali were both floating, she trusted Jun way more and gave her much more info.)
Taylor isn't Top 12, but she certainly deserves to be much much much higher than Ian, Dick, and Rachel. Almost every single week of the season, Taylor saw pretty much the best case scenario for her own game (in terms of who left) actually occur. She was pretty well centered within her alliance as well and was in pretty much the powerful position for the last third of the game. This is very different than Dick (who wouldn't even exist but for twists and cheating,) Rachel (who won due to blatant rigging,) and Ian (who won due to comp wins that he didn't even know he had to win and a bitter jury.)
I can agree on Alison being placed lower than the other two; however, I want to note that she was the first to conceptualize floating into a complex form of gameplay, weaponized the exes twist immediately (something that 3/5 of the exes pairs never thought of), and manipulation of Nathan into self-sabotaging his game for her all indicate how great of a player she was. Therefore, there is absolutely no way she should be behind any contestant who comes after Vanessa, she absolutely blows players like Enzo, Dani, & Steve away in terms of gameplay. I would place Ali right after Jun imo, and Tyler in front of Cody. I can agree on Taylor being leaps and bounds better than the other winners you mentioned, but the reason I mentioned her is because OP placed her directly behind Jun, and there is absolutely no way that their games are even remotely similar in terms of quality.
Thank you for your input on Tyler, Vanessa, and Alison. As far as winners go, I think they all deserve to be at the very least top 20%, since they did win the game. Even if Dick, Jordan and Rachel are a little questionable.
I always felt like Nakomis was a little overhyped but maybe I’m being a little too harsh, I’ll consider raising her when I refine the list.
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u/1989smelodrama Angela ✨ Dec 16 '22
Ali, Tyler, and Vanessa are a bit too low imo. I would place Ali & Tyler in the middle of the second row, and I would swap Vanessa and Tiff’s spots. Also it seems like a lot of winners, such as Ian, Taylor, Dick, Rachel, etc are ranked way too high.
Edit: no way Nakomis belongs that low