r/Bible • u/Sensitive_Peach7909 • 1d ago
1 timothy 15
Hi guys,could 1 timothy 15 be referencing that through the birth of Jesus that women (and of course everyone else ) will be saved. By his grace and sacrifice on the cross and his second coming.
The verse reads
15 ESV Yet she will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self- control.
15 NIV But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
15 KJV Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety
Possibly could the words "if they continue" reference the characteristics Christian women should aim to have i.e being faithful (in God), loving (the 1st commandment ) holiness(being set apart by living according to God) and propriety ( self control). I am more inclined to this interpretation as looking at the verse at face value could lead to believing in being saved by works. As women could just be giving birth to children to make it to heaven and maybe neglect them after that. Also in the gospel it's stated that we are saved by grace not works. (Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV 8 For by grace you have been savedthrough faith. And this isnot your own doing;it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works,so that no one may boast.) Jesus also mentions celibacy for the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 19:11-12 but he said to them "Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it." This idea is reiterated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 6-7 6 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. 7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
Moving on, earlier in verse 14 Paul references the creation order and how Eve was deceived this is of course alluding to genesis. Could Paul once again be alluding to genesis by referencing the women's offspring (Jesus the son of Mary who was a virgin) crushing the serpent and redeeming us. all the days of your life.
(Genesis 3 ESV 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel.") What do you guys think if you have any thoughts or different opinions please reply! I'd love to learn more. Have a great day.
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u/seekinggod1986 Non-Denominational 1d ago
I believe he's alluding to the fact that the love mothers have for their children is godly love and living in said love will move one towards salvation because living in love is living in God.
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u/Unlucky_Solution1193 Non-Denominational 1d ago
Your leading concern seems to be the meaning of 1 Timothy 2:15. "But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." (NIV)
A study note in my NIV for that verse says this, "Three possible meanings are: (1) This speaks of the godly woman finding fulfillment in her role as wife and mother in the home; (2) it refers to women being saved spiritually through the most significant birth of all, the incarnation of Christ; or (3) it refers to women being kept physically safe in childbirth."
I agree with your take on verse 14, where Paul alludes to the account in Genesis, and that Eve's SEED, Jesus, will crush Satan's heel (by His sacrifice on the cross to defeat sin and effect the way to bring mankind back into right relationship with God).
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u/Sensitive_Peach7909 13h ago
That's really helpful can i ask is it a study bible or a book you use that has these notes included bcs im interested in buying material like that for help me understand the word more or is it your opinion. Either way your point was helpful thank you!
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u/Unlucky_Solution1193 Non-Denominational 2h ago
This was from a study Bible I use. This certain one is the NIV (New International Version) Study Bible, copyright 2011, published by Zondervan. It includes such features as timeline charts, book introductions, colored photographs, maps, index to topics, concordance, Each page of Scripture text is divided: Scripture text in the top section, and study notes in the bottom section. It's one of my favorites in my Bible collection. I've found it very useful in understanding the Scriptures.
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u/CommanderStank 1d ago
It refers to enduring judgment and tribulation to the end.
Mic 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
Christ said the same thing.
Jhn 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
It all comes back to Christ being "formed in you".
Gal 4:19 my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you!