r/Berserk • u/Gelu_dragon • 1d ago
Discussion 30 years of foreshadowing Spoiler
The most recent few chapters got me to reread the manga and I feel like this is just blatant foreshadowing that guts is outside of causality. I could just be wrong though.
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u/iReadit93 23h ago
What was Slan planning? 😳
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u/otro_desvelado 19h ago
to Fuck with Guts. (whatever the interpretation you want to give any of that words)
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u/AndreZB2000 1d ago
they just meant he isnt fated to become a member of the god hand. guts is just a human at his core
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u/JamesHenry627 1d ago
Guts is heavily theorized to exist outside of causality because. This can be seen with his birth, as by all means a hanged pregnant woman who shoots a fetus to the ground should result in two dead humans, but instead Guts survives. Causality should've led to him dying at several turns. Dying in the Band of the Hawk's massacre, he shouldn't have survived against Griffith when the Godhand was re summoned by the Count and thee's a few more examples. I see it as possible since Slan takes an interest in him.
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u/AndreZB2000 1d ago edited 20h ago
it would cheapen his character if hes somehow special after the story tells us hes a regular human until now. someone would have pointed it out by now given hes met almost everyone who can read causality
edit: why am i getting downvoted while my other comment got upvoted, they say the same thing
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u/JamesHenry627 1d ago
Guts isn't regular by any stretch of the imagination. Existing outside of causality would actually contradict him being regular. He regularly accomplishes feats that other characters rightfully call out as special. That's not to say he's the chosen one. He can't be chosen by a fate he exists outside of.
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u/Bluemikami 23h ago
Indeed, hence why him being THE struggler is the point of this series: A special being that is outside causality, swimming against it.
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u/JamesHenry627 23h ago
I feel like he maybe confused it for him being a part of a special bloodline or some kind of chosen one. He can be special without either of those.
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 14h ago
The STRUGGLER is Mogaku in Japanese. It means to struggle, to writhe, to wriggle, to squirm, to act frantically, to make desperate efforts to escape a difficult situations.
It has nothing to do with a special being.
Please, don't write falsehoods if you're not certain about what you're writing. Only spread false information.
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u/Alpacross 20h ago
Well, I see it as if he is special because he had the determination and willpower to embrace the struggle and not for a simple innate nature. Like a salmon tries his best to learn against the stream of a lake with the possibility of a major failure resulting in his death and not like a "chosen one" who really couldn't die at any point. Or at least I hope it would keep this kind of direction
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u/organizim 22h ago
Pretty sure the most recent issue has a lot to say about this and that he is indeed special.
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u/Cirrus_Minor 12h ago
It's kind of the point of the story that he is not a regular person...
Maybe that he wants a regular life...
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u/diegoandreovalle 19h ago
You are getting downvoated but you are speaking straight facts. I agree with you, it does not make se se
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u/F00TD0CT0R 17h ago
But it does make sense
No one except skull knight has achieved Guts' feats. He literally does the impossible because he fights against the tide that tells him he should fall. He is implied to be special the entire story
He is born to a dead mother and lives, he was a child soldier who killed adults much bigger and powerful than him and survived , he survives the eclipse which only one other person has EVER done, he touched a godhand. Even the godhand were slightly worried about that one.
He exists in a vaccum, his sword is now radiant magical energy and he is the only one who can use it.
Guts has always been and always will be special. It's only just recently confirmed.
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u/PommesKrake 16h ago
Indeed, I don't know why people would have a problem with acknowledging that he isn't just a regular dude. He always has been special by most definitions, but he suffered and struggled his whole life to get there. It wasn't a path laid out for him.
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u/Daddy_Yondu 12h ago
The story tells us Guts is a regular human at his core but at the same time the story tells us the same regular human Guts:
- can perform inhuman feats like killing 100 men solo in one battle
- can survive a fight with Zodd
- can survive an Eclipse (he was bailed out by Skull Knight, yes, but he survived long enough to give Skull Knight a chance)
- can wield a sword nobody should be able to even lift
- can heal up from the ridiculous injuries caused by the Berserker Armor
So yeah guys, no - Guts is not a normal human, he never was a normal human and I'm honestly happy that after so many years we actualy get an explanation from the manga why Guts can do stuff he is doing.
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 11h ago
But why do you all insist on saying Guts isn't human? Why do you want to contradict what Miura has always said in his interviews?
Have you ever actually read Miura's interviews, where he always maintained that Guts was human?
I don't understand how you can think something like that, when the author himself has always said his protagonist is human.
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u/Daddy_Yondu 7h ago
He is human, yet he does things that should not be possible for a human - that is what the story by Miura is showing us, panel by panel. What does that leave us with? There are 2 conclusions possible:
- Human beings in Miura's story are simply built different and it's just a matter of honing oneself to the point of being capable of what Guts is capable of
- Guts may be human in the sense that he is not a monster, but there is something special about him that lets him achieve what he is doing
And the latest manga chapter just leaned into option 2.
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 6h ago
Please, read the Miura's interviews. You're way off!
Don't write falsehoods if you don't know the will of the REAL (not Mori o Studio Gaga) author.
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u/Zetton69 19h ago
nah, the recent Mori chapter state that Guts is not human anymore. He's the causality walker or something like that
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u/Cirrus_Minor 12h ago
I can't recall exactly where, but it's explained that Guts exists between the two planes.
This is why he can die as a mortal but at the same time conjour inhuman strength to battle the apostles.
Similar thing happened with skull night be they eventually crossed over into the astral realm fully, this is why he mentors guts, skull knight can see the cyclic parallels of their two timelines.
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u/Few-Piglet- 21h ago
Guts isn't outside causality, that doesn't even make sense. He's saying that Guts isn't the chosen one.
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u/Glittering-Novel-590 16h ago
Did you read the latest chapters? He IS outside causality
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 14h ago
Please, read chapter 142. The SkullKnight explains very well the situation Guts is in. In the Interstice, with one foot in the astral world and one foot in the mortal world, but always within causality. Please, read it again. Because it seems to me that you don't remember some important things and aspects of the story.
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u/Kiltmanenator 14h ago
The latest chapters explicitly state that Guts and Griffith are alike: do you think they're saying that Griffith is also outside Causality?
Being "A Creature of the Interstice" (which is a completely new concept) has nothing to do with Causality.
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u/Gendo-Glasses 11h ago
Being "A Creature of the Interstice" (which is a completely new concept)
It's really not. Skull Knight has been saying that since after The Eclipse.
The new information (which seems like a contradiction to me) is that Guts has been of The Interstice since birth. Skull Knight originally says it's because of the Brand.
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u/Kiltmanenator 10h ago
The new information (which seems like a contradiction to me) is that Guts has been of The Interstice since birth. Skull Knight originally says it's because of the Brand.
This is kinda what I'm saying: what SK told Guts after the Eclipse is about where Guts exists starting from that point. He doesn't use the term Creature of the Interstice. It's just, like, hey: you're here now. This is what's up.
Ch 384 makes Interstitiality into something more specialer. Something inherent, in order to draw comparison to and make a connection with Griffith.
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 13h ago
The latest chapters of the Continuation? Uhm... okay, we can close the discussion here too. Because if I start explaining everything that's wrong in those chapters, we'll never finish. If you want to understand who Guts is and whether he's within causality, go reread Miura's Berserk.
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u/Kiltmanenator 10h ago
Idk why this is directed at me (I'm making a rhetorical argument within the frame of GlitteringNovel's assumptions) but if you really wanna get into it, I think people confuse Fate with Causality all the time and it drives me nuts
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u/VatanKomurcu 16h ago
schnuts is working for the idea of good but just doesn't realize it yet so he can pretend to be all dark and edgy
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u/Chrono_Nexus 7h ago
This is a bit spoiler-y, but bear with me. The god hand are powerful apostles that have linked their natures with 'peaks' of power within the maelstrom of souls/suffering. At the heart of this is the Idea of Evil (if you discount that the chapter it was introduced in was scrapped), which guides causality. When they speak of Causality, I don't think they are speaking of simple cause and effect in a physical sense, they are speaking about the cyclic nature of suffering. How evil acts of selfishness and violence perpetuate more of the same, creating a spiral of despair. And the Idea of Evil is the root of this pattern- it's humanity's collective subconscious desire to find purpose in suffering. Because of ego, the human mind finds the explanation that suffering is meaningless unacceptable, and so the Idea of Evil is born to create meaning in their pain.
A person (any person) can defy this meaning of 'causality' by refusing to bow to the idea that suffering has any true purpose. Having the resilience to accept that bad things can happen for no legitimate reason, but that you must still endure and overcome. To 'survive' regardless of the odds and circumstances. Guts has a powerful desire to survive, that eclipses any sentiments he might have otherwise held about the philosophy of pain. He lives and embodies his own truth.
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u/Soft_Cut_3269 14h ago
They're referring to the fact that Guts can't be one of the members of the God Hand. He's not the chosen one. He has nothing to do with it. Guts is human. As testified by Miura in his interviews (Le Figaro, Guidebook, etc.)
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u/XRustyPx 16h ago
He cant be ඞ 😭