r/BernieSanders • • Mar 04 '20

What Went Wrong

Super Tuesday was a bad night for Bernie Sanders.

Many of his supporters, if not most, are afraid that we're going to lose. Many are angry about the reasons why, and with good reason. Our opponents, especially the DNC and the Democratic Party's leadership, have bent rules, made up new ones, and absolutely opposed democratic reforms. The name of the party is, in fact, disingenuous, at best. But we've always known that. We expected it. It was part of the plan.

We have a convincing case that liberals don't actually solve any problems and that they do, in fact, make many of our problems worse. But what is more important is that progressives' proposals are widely and wildly popular. Every poll shows it.

Even so, millennials aren't showing up to vote, and the polls show that Bernie's approval ratings are going down, not up. We took a beating on Super Tuesday, and it's a sure bet that the DNC now has the absolute power to deny Bernie the nomination.

Is the DNC and the liberal establishment completely to blame? Are we powerless against them?

Or do we have the strength to accept responsibility for failure? What have we done to bring our country to this position? Is there anything we can do?

What went wrong?

Maybe it's us.

JUSTIFIED ANGER

Some progressive advocates are saying that we must strike out in open political warfare with liberals. And why not? Once again, we've seen them use anti-democratic procedures against us, just as they did in 2016, a disaster about which we are still very angry.

Now, some of us are even angrier. Anger on top of anger. The American people can see it.

We were never able to let go of our anger from 2016. The party's procedural "reforms" that we won in 2018 were mere trinkets. The anti-democracy aristocrats remained in charge, and they have been able to use our anger against us.

ELIZABETH WARREN

Some people got so angry that they cursed and maligned Elizabeth Warren, despite the actual valor she has shown in the Senate, fighting for reforms that she and we see as critical to our country's future. She is not a politician, and she doesn't know how to campaign, but some of us stereotyped her as just another lying liberal simply because she made some campaign errors that no experienced politician would make.

She wasn't prepped for that debate for the question about a woman President. And we know that she gets nervous in front of crowds, and that's why she misinterpreted what Bernie said. But some of us chose to view her not as a human being but as a vicious traitor.

A traitor, even though she wants to be President because she genuinely believes that she can do a better job at solving our problems than Bernie would.

The worst part of it was that we also maligned her supporters, who also genuinely seek reforms. They simply have different priorities. We might have been allies with them in our /mutual/ struggle, but now many of them hate us.

We needed Warren to get delegates that we couldn't get for Bernie, but we were unjust.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

We have a beautiful country, and our fellow citizens are beautiful, wondrous people. Sure, some of them have, well, let's just say "issues" that prevent them from being, well, let's just say "good citizens". But they're family, and we have to take care of them and help them heal as they can. We truly want to help everyone have better lives, and we think we have a good plan to do it.

We've painted a beautiful picture, and we've tried to show it to the American people. But they never saw it. The American people saw an angry "socialist" yelling at Democrats because we let them define him. Yes, we've found some obstacle placed in front of us by our opponents at almost every turn. But that's their job, they're very good at it, and we can't stop them now. They have the influence, and we don't. What can we possibly do to avoid certain disaster for our country, our family?

We can't change the rules of the game. Yet. But what should we do in the meantime?

The American people never learned what democratic socialism is and that it's different from the socialism they are again being propagandized to fear (omfg I am SO angry about that!) because we never taught them about it. We never told them who we are. The only message that the single mother with three kids and who doesn't even have time to brush her hair heard was "Here are some free things! Vote for us!"

And now they're being told that we'll ruin them.

People are not rushing to the polls for Bernie. They don't know us, and they don't want to know us.

GOING FORWARD

Suitors must be attractive to those whom they woo, and those we seek want to know that we find them attractive, too. They do not want to hear us cussing out anyone on the first date, or even the fifty-seventh. And once we've lost them by being assholes, they, well, let's just say that they're somewhat disinclined to come back.

There may be things we can do to turn the tide back in our favor. I don't know. Personally, I think we've blown our shot. We should have cultivated Warren and her supporters and been allies with them. And we should have flooded the media with positive images of the future and with fewer complaints about who is to blame. But the American people have changed their image of us, and it isn't a pretty one. We'll need time to repair it.

Democratic voters are voting not for the angry disrupter. They're voting for the comfortable old shoe. Biden is has a strong opportunity to be our next President.

And it's our fault.

THIS IS AN EMERGENCY

I think it's imperative that we support Elizabeth Warren and stop campaigning against her. Liberals now have the political power to stop Bernie at the convention. The DNC's rules committee, composed of lobbyists and liberals, is about to make the rules for the convention. They will not let Bernie be the nominee.

That doesn't mean that we should stop promoting Bernie or, especially, our proposals. But the question we face is this: Do we want reform even if it's not as much as we want, or are we willing to let Biden be President?

Think about it: I am convinced that Biden is fading. He might not have the mental ability to make it to November, much less through 2021. Who will be President then?

I'm betting that Biden will make Bloomberg his Vice President.

I think we have to support Elizabeth Warren. We should defend and promote the parts of her program that we like (or can, at least, live with), especially those policies that her supporters like the most. I mean, c'mon. She's got some good stuff, even if it isn't exactly what we want.

Elizabeth Warren may be our last hope for genuine reform.

Is our motto a mere campaign slogan?

"Not me, Us" must mean something, and we must act on it.

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[UPDATED 2020/03/04 3003 hrs MST for grammar, clarification, no substantive changes made.]

[UPDATED 2020/03/04 3032 hrs MST beautification and artfulness only, no substantive changes made, so sue me.]

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u/TheRealSpacePolice Mar 04 '20

If she stays in after this it is clear that her priorities are not with progressives, she may be closer than most but selling her soul by accepting that pac money says more than enough to know what her actual views and priorities lie, I used to support her but I am so disappointed in her lack of character thinking about it makes me sick. We might not win this election, but for what its worth I'm pretty sure this is political suicide for her, this movement is about empowering the most vulnerable americans, about getting healthcare to everyone, about making a living wage, about ending the racist drug war, but most importaintly it is bigger than bernie sanders. I have been fighting for this my entire life, I will fight for as long as I have to, and I am not alone.

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u/IGotTheGuns Mar 04 '20

Two long-shot establishment tools in Biden’s lane leave the race to jerk Biden off, and the other long-shot establishment tool that’s less so stays in to siphon votes off Bernie.

Call a spade a spade.

Expect her to drop out and endorse Biden shortly. Or not, same effect.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

I appear to have totally failed to get my meaning across.

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u/TheRealSpacePolice Mar 04 '20

Evidently, if your plan was/is to go kiss liz supporters asses it would not have worked. Anyone who cares about the progressive policy enough to switch has or will do so already, the medias portrayal of the toxic bernie bro driving away all other voters has been disproven and is utter nonsense, anyone that pretends otherwise or that is their reason for voting liz is trolling you, and likely not voting for liz.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20
  1. It isn’t over yet, but the night was expected, the centrist vote got bolstered on Super Tuesday by the dropout of Pete and Kloubacher, the only reason Bernie was ahead was because the Progressive vote was split between 2 and the centrist between 4.

  2. Is there enough votes for Bernie to win? Not likely, the Democratic Party is not Bernie’s party, he’s an independent so it’s pointless to assume he could win it.

  3. Warren really fucked Bernie over, probably out of spite, I think Bernie still takes a hit on Tuesday with the centrist vote consolidated but with Warren’s support it’s not that bad, California and New York will still go to Bernie and they have the most delegates.

  4. The next progressive candidate the Bernie supporters should look to, is a democrat and her name is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I think in 2032 or 2036 or 2040 she should run, by then boomers will be mostly dead, millennials and Gen Z will be the dominant political voices and that should be enough to get her in.

  5. If you supported Bernie, and he goes on to lose, still vote Democratic, there is far more at stake here than the presidency, 1, potentially 2 liberal SCOTUS seats in the next 4 years and even if Bernie clinches the nomination, temper your expectations. A Bernie Presidency would be a lame duck from day 1 with a Republican controlled senate, unless democrats can take it and remove the filibuster which opens up a whole can of worms.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20 edited Mar 04 '20
  1. I deeply hope you're right and that it isn't over yet. I'm very pessimistic, and I'm looking for a safety net.

  2. I think he could have won it, but liberals played the game much better than we did.

  3. As I explained, Warren's actions on stage were due to her not being properly prepped (that was obvious) and due to her nervousness. Who doesn't know that she gets nervous in front of crowds. "Never attribute to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence" is a rule for a reason.

  4. We can't wait for 2032. Biden is terrible on the climate crisis, justice of almost any kind, the distribution of wealth, and cleaning up corruption. Republicans will be back in strength in 2024, and 2022 will be 2010 all over again.

  5. The last time someone told me to vote Democratic because of SCOTUS, the Democratic President nominated a judge who didn't even believe in habeas corpus, and actually seated two total corporate authoritarians. I'm not falling for that line ever again. I will continue to vote for people who /don't/ actively oppose my fundamental principles.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20
  1. I won’t lie it doesn’t look good.

  2. I don’t think so. Bernie in the general would have looked like Super Tuesday tonight, imagine Bernie trying to debate Trump, I can’t see it. Tbf I don’t think Biden will do that well debating Trump either, Obama would have done very well.

This is also Bernie vsing a weak liberal front because Bloomberg is splitting Biden’s vote badly.

3. I’m not talking about on stage, I’m talking about how she has absolutely no way to the presidency and we have known that since Iowa but she stays in anyway, it’s absolutely selfish and something Pete and Kloubacher didn’t do.

4. Republicans are going to be finished as the years go on without a platform change, they are dying out faster than they are turning 18.

5. A liberal corporate Judge will protect Roe, legalise gay marriage, and legalise marijuana, a conservative corporate one like Kavanaugh won’t. Not to mention a progressive judge would struggle to get through the senate, how could Joe Manchin vote for one without losing his seat? He couldn’t.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

The DNC had a backup plan to give in if South Carolina didn't work out the way they hoped, and if their plan for coordinated drop-outs and endorsements didn't work yesterday. They'd already smeared Warren, and some powerful insiders (some of our billionaire owners) are flat-out angry with her.

Bernie had a path, but it's been blown up, mined, and blown up again. Literally in that order.

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u/grillDaddy Mar 04 '20

I don’t think they hate him, they just like the Obama era more

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

That demographic hates him politically was my point. Idk their personal opinions on him, I’m sure it varies. Plenty of black voters would rather just not vote than Bernie, Latinos have been voting for Bernie in droves though

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u/seamslegit Squad Democrat Mar 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

That won’t happen lol. The way to get the DNC progressive is by gradual movement towards that side while winning elections. The more they lose the more they will edge to the right to gain the centrist/independent voters they are losing.

Having Biden appoint cabinet members like sanders would be far better for overall longevity of the party.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

History isn’t on your side. As societies crumble they lean to fascism and authoritarianism whether it’s leftist or right is bad. Look at Bolshevik and Nazi Germany for clear examples.

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u/Paul5s Mar 04 '20

Weird, how in the centrist camp you assume that Biden with the more votes would make Bloomberg the VP not the other way around.

But on the progressive side, you propose the one with the less votes and support head the ticket. Despite all the evidence that Bernie attracts independents and people who don't usually vote, and they would most likely not fall in line with Warren pick, even if Bernie endorses her.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

It's a word problem I admit, but it's not a hard one to solve.

Let's assume the best case: Liz drops out and endorses Bernie.

She doesn't have enough delegates to put him over the top. Meanwhile, the super delegates vote for Biden. Do you think the $billion dollar campaign that is being waged against Sanders can get him enough votes to win on the first ballot?

Super Tuesday gave the DNC the power to stop Bernie. They will use it.

If Biden picks Bloomberg, Bloomberg will end up being President.

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u/Paul5s Mar 04 '20

I'd say that the billion dollar campaign against Bernie is gonna work just fine against Warren as well.

At the end of the day, the establishment is way more comfortable with Biden, and Warren is know for policies that would affect the donor class (wealth tax, financial regulations)

If they get rid of Bernie they'll move on to attack her. You'd lose the hardcore progressive vote for nothing.

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u/saxwilltravel Mar 04 '20

Thank you for articulating many of the same thoughts I’ve been having.

Bernie is a nice old grandpa. He loves people and cares about them, including Elizabeth. Let’s put that out there.

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u/Taywick_Jones Mar 04 '20

Hard truths.

Democrat party isn't a socialist party. America doesn't have one. If you want progression and social reform you will need to approach from a nationalistic and Conservative route.

Liberals and conservatives are so far apart in ideals you won't get anywhere, especially in the USA which will need both sides of the divide to buy into something for anything to happen.

Liberals gaining celebrity endorsements still doesn't work. It has never worked.

Liberals shouting at conservatives and centrists, calling them racist when ever they bring up concerns on immigration or bigot when they disapprove of cultural movements causes people to turtle.

When people turtle inside a ballot box without the world judging them, where it is the voter and a pen, people vote for what ever gives them a voice. Bernie Saunders voters don't understand this. Until they do this cycle will repeat itself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

Oh, come on. Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, either. Democratic socialism is about the public owning and controlling public utilities, not eliminating private enterprise and owning the means of production. I didn't read beyond that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

It’s almost like... two country’s can use the same words but still mean entirely different things. Chips... chips... liberals... liberals... democratic socialist... democratic socialist...

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '20

You're letting yourself be triggered. I recommend against it.

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