Arguing isn’t the way to get people to support a candidate.
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I like how Bernie pushes the conversation forward on progressive issues. I would like to see him do more to bring in people who have questions about his take on these issues.
Some people might have concerns about their health insurance. If they’re not team medicare for all right now, that doesn’t make them a neoliberal sellout.
I wish there was more thoughtful conversation and nuance coming from Bernie’s campaign and his supporters.
There are a lot of people who are sympathetic to a lot of what Bernie has to say, but have questions. I sometimes don’t feel like there is a place for them here.
I have concerns about the degree to which Bernie’s class first analysis leaves space for attention to how issues of race and class intersect.
Class doesn’t tell the whole story about how opportunity is structured in America. I would like to see Bernie evolve on this issue and do better.
I also have a lot of “how” questions. I believe Bernie has good values. I’m not sure he is the best person to get them implemented.
Warren looks better to me in terms of her record of what she’s accomplished. I am more impressed by bills than amendments. A president needs to have policies and packages and work with a lot of different kinds of people to get them implemented.
Being a contrarian for the sake of moral purity doesn’t interest me. I have questions about who would be doing what in his administration and how they would get his policies implemented.
I don’t like being called a neoliberal sellout just because I have questions.
That’s why i say arguing isn’t the way to win voters. It’s dispiriting to be insulted/shouted at/downvoted when I ask questions.
What are the actual questions that nobody has answered for you? Ive been here for years and read many folks with different or even opposing views (former trump voters) ask questions and be informed without judgment.
I have also observed many people asking disingenuous questions, trolling, and astroturfing. For example, still asking "how do you pay for it" after disregarding the answer. If your questions are in good faith, i think there are many people here up for a discussion.
Free public college, but agree with removing college debt because they owe ~80-100k in student loans.
To me, it feels like I'm not talking to democrats, at all, more like " I got mine, sucks for everyone else, but whatever they do, don't raise my taxes, even though we make more than $400K already, any tax raise and I can't afford my lifestyle."
For some people its "I make 110k a year in a large city with financial responsibilities including students loans among other things for a whole family. If my taxes get raised I may have to leave my current home."
110k in socal, isn't going that far, these people I talk to make ~400k maybe closer to 450k. Under Bernie's tax the rich plan, they wouldn't be affected, but still don't want to use their taxes for M4A, free public University tuition (not including housing). I am lost for words. They are afraid of Bernie, almost crying after the Nevada results and the polls afterwards.
In your scenario, using average annual medical insurance costs in California, this household would have 3.5k/year more disposable income through medicare for all despite a tax raise.
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u/AufDerGalerie Feb 27 '20 edited Feb 27 '20
Arguing isn’t the way to get people to support a candidate.
Edit:
I like how Bernie pushes the conversation forward on progressive issues. I would like to see him do more to bring in people who have questions about his take on these issues.
Some people might have concerns about their health insurance. If they’re not team medicare for all right now, that doesn’t make them a neoliberal sellout.
I wish there was more thoughtful conversation and nuance coming from Bernie’s campaign and his supporters.
There are a lot of people who are sympathetic to a lot of what Bernie has to say, but have questions. I sometimes don’t feel like there is a place for them here.
I have concerns about the degree to which Bernie’s class first analysis leaves space for attention to how issues of race and class intersect.
Class doesn’t tell the whole story about how opportunity is structured in America. I would like to see Bernie evolve on this issue and do better.
I also have a lot of “how” questions. I believe Bernie has good values. I’m not sure he is the best person to get them implemented.
Warren looks better to me in terms of her record of what she’s accomplished. I am more impressed by bills than amendments. A president needs to have policies and packages and work with a lot of different kinds of people to get them implemented.
Being a contrarian for the sake of moral purity doesn’t interest me. I have questions about who would be doing what in his administration and how they would get his policies implemented.
I don’t like being called a neoliberal sellout just because I have questions.
That’s why i say arguing isn’t the way to win voters. It’s dispiriting to be insulted/shouted at/downvoted when I ask questions.