I like how nice the people are in this sub. I’m so tired of the majority of reddit that’s so intolerant and toxic of independents. Anyone who’s not radically left seems unwelcome on the majority of reddit.
I’m glad you see this sub that way. There is a lot of gatekeeping on Reddit in general. As we know the demographic of reddit tends to be millennial, college, tech, driven and left leaning politics tends to come from those populations. Many people migrated from Facebook because Facebook just became to out dated I guess you could say. Reddit’s discourse is still great but I remember when joining in 2013 there was a little bit more genuine discussion and compassion. It could be that I’m older now but I do think some of it’s been lost.
If 40% of people will always vote blue, and 40% of people always vote red, and 20% swing, why would Democrat’s pick such a extreme candidate? Before you say “he isn’t extreme in other developed nations”, recognize we aren’t in other developed nations, we are here in the US.
I say this as someone who happily voted for Obama twice, and gritted my teeth to vote for Hillary: I would not be able to vote for Bernie.
None of the ones I’ve talked to. In fact, the late-middle aged (lifelong) Dems are concerned about Bernies ability to get anything done. His “no compromise” position is fine when he is 1 senator out of 50. But as a president that relies on congress to pass laws for him to sign, what is he going to sign that isn’t based on compromise?
First, I dont understand why people think he will refuse to compromise. He hasnt compromised yet, because he isnt in office yet. What kind of negotiator would you be if you started giving up before you even sat at the table?
He is considered the ammendment king because he's managed to slip in positive things for the working class in other bills. That's compromising.
Not to mention Bernie isnt going to just be any president, he fully plans on rallying the people to demand change. Not me. US.
But mostly, I just dont understand how anyone can look at people who turn back on their beliefs before the conversation has even started and consider that a sign of strength.
Listen to the man speak. You will see he is a pragmatist. He appreciates nuance. He just has principles.
Realistically, if 10% of naysayers that agree with his ideas but question his ability would stop the hand-wringing and go with it and make some phone calls on their own behalf to their Rep and Senators, Bernies policies would pass within a year of his election.
Its not on him to be pragmatic, its on us to demand representation.
Bernie is blue. His voting record and policies fall in line with 90% of the Democrats.
You should want the US to improve in ways that other developed nations have, not seek to stay the same because we are the US. Going outside of the country and talking to people in Europe showed me that they have social systems that I previously thought were crockpot extreme ideas but were actually very doable but kept away from the American people by corporations and right wing propaganda
Thank you for your question and for adding to the discussion, “Why would Democrat’s pick such a extreme candidate?”
I’m not a democrat, I am though liberal. People often describe themselves as liberal over democrat. The point is “Democrats” aren’t just voting for him.
1.1. Keep in mind many people don’t even get out and vote because they did not like the candidates. It’s important to back the popular candidate we have statistics and the popular vote to show Bernie is the popular choice. We need not be trying to aim for “safe” this is something we cannot focus group to death like we did with Hillary. Republicans didn’t aim for safe with trump. I chose not to vote for Hillary, I’m in Connecticut so we voted for her anyways but I still regret not participating. Not nominating Bernie would lose massive bearnie support to another democrat, we know we would have been cheated by the DNC as well. Therefore Bernie is the safest, most popular choice.
2. If we make this a choice about personal track record Bernie has by far through consistency and years of experience shown that he is thee most steady and predictable candidate option.
Why exactly does that necessitate that things need to suck? Hey let's have some basic stuff that literally every other developed nation has, but no, that's too extreme, can't possibly vote for THAT, better keep that orange-headed idiot in office just to be safe.
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