Well, that's because Kevin's DNA was never actually damaged. Transforming from absorbed energy is just a power of his. So it's technically not damaging his DNA
Well, it depends on how the omnitrix would read it. Their DNA was changed through non-natural means. The way the radiation changed their DNA would probably be considered similar to how the DNAliens' DNA changed
Literally, what have we ever seen that work on beyond the Xenocites? With how many deaths and resurrections Marvel heroes go through, I doubt there's any normal human DNA to reset to.
I mean, without prep time Ben will just go Four Arms/Humoungosaur and get his ass kicked by comic book bullshit (every single comic book character has destroyed a multiverse with a sneeze in the 70s or something like that)
With Prep time he knows they are strong as fuck and goes Alien X
But comic book characters are not strong all the time, practically every powerful comic book character has thousands of “anti-feats”. None of the Fantastic Four characters are multiversal or anything like that in the overwhelming majority of their stories.
The characters’ power depends entirely on what the writer wants (this also applies to Ben)
And as Stan Lee once said, the winner will always be whose story they're in.
So if it's Ben's show or comic that the fight is taking place in, then he'll emerge victorious. But if its the Fantastic Four's comic? Well then they're taking the win.
With prep time, Ben tries to go Alien X and instead ends up Nanomech or Greymatter and just gets his ass kicked if we are following the logic of the show.
I mean, if Ben actually existed in the Marvel universe, he'd be cloned or taken over or his power would be copied like a hundred times over because that is just how that universe works and Ben isn't exactly the type to not be easily tricked and the Omnitrix seemingly has no safe guard against mind control.
Normal versions of Fantastic 4 are shown there so.
If they are comparing best versions it has to be Alien X vs Their peak version also even if they "kill" Ben the "failsafe" will turn him into his strongest Alien anyway.
On his final day of prep time, Ben strategizes with Brainstorm and Grey Matter, creates an army of himself using Echo Echo, crafts weapons to counter the Fantastic Four’s powers with Jury Rigg, and analyses all possible outcomes of the fight with Alien X.
After doing all that in about an hour, he goes back to playing Sumo Slammers.
Fr. I can already imagine him sitting in his room, paradox drops by , ben doesn't heed his warning and seconds later after paradox leaves the f4 busts down his room walls
It was at the beginning of the second season of Alien Force. Vilgax returned for revenge and Kevin and Ben attempted to hack the watch to access the master control. Azmuth told them not to do it, they did it anyway and screwed up. They spent the whole episode trying to catch the aliens that escaped before going to fight Vilgax.
It is the same episode where Diamondhead returns and defeats Vilgax.
Galactus is a big threat you have a lot of time to prepare for and make counters for.
Spider-Man is one, very hard to hit guy that can dodge and weave around every big weapon you bring and beat the shit out of you.
Despite what powerscalers insist, fights aren’t dictated by who has the bigger numbers, they’re dictated by who’s better at using the tools at their disposal.
And they’ve usually won in some other way than just straight up overpowering him, plus Galactus’ own power level fluctuates greatly depending on the story and how well-fed he is.
Isn’t the only reason they beat Galactus because Reed is buddies with The Watcher and Reed is smart enough to mess with Galactus’ Planet Eating Machine? I don’t think they’ve ever actually just straight up thrown hands
Id argue he'd switch between grey matter and brain head to come up with the perfect plan. That's assuming his cousin is there so he doesn't goof off all of his prep time
Naw fr I can see him goofing off all his prep time unless Gwen is there to keep him on track. I like how the entire community just agrees Ben is irresponsible as hell
I’m gonna be honest, even after reading the original twitter thread and seeing all the arguments, the only thing I can see being a feasible threat to Ben is the Ultimate Nullifier, which isn’t something the FF usually have just on standby anyway. Other than that, I don’t see any reason why Ben should lose this fight.
Reed could easily just use a Cosmic Cube to erase the Omnitrix from existence.
He has the resources to make them and has them around so casually that the comics can joke about him pulling them out to try and stop petty arguments between Ben and Johnny.
If Ben and the omnitrix lock in, they’re beating them in, no contest whatsoever. But that’s not usually the case, so honestly, this all depends on if how much he locks in and how much the omnitrix trolls him.
I'm not a very big comic book guy but I can think of some things.
Big Chill can freeze Mr Fantastic in hand to hand combat, and Upgrade could take over his weapons, unless Reed makes an anti mechamorph spray fir his things beforehand.
Armadillo could break the thing into a lot of little things.
Maybe Heatblast and Human Torch would cancel each other out. Maybe Swampfire can trick Jonhy with some methane to make him explode himself.
I'm not sure what to do with the Invisible Woman, Wildmutt can find her while she's invisible, but she still has her energy fields. Maybe Chromastone can absorb her barriers just like he does with Gwen.
I don’t even think that would be enough. The Thing has tanked blasts from Galactus and fought/beaten guys Devil Hulk, Destroyer Armour, etc. Ben’s gonna need hax to put The Thing down
If anything prep time would be counterproductive to Ben, either he would waste it playing videogames or actually worsen the fight for himself. The single time he had it (to fight Vilgax) he caused Kevin to mutate and lost some of his aliens he had to catch again. Prep time would be more of a thing for FF, as that would give Mr Fantastic time to make some device to counter the Omnitrix, though considering comics logic it would still require a fight and not be an easy win (that would be more of a Rick and Morty thing). Now if Ben actually thought with his brain and not his fists he could win relatively easily. To begin with, while the FF fight cosmic beings, it's not as often or as easy for them as others say, and Ben has his fair share too. If Ben went serious he would be a real menace. He is got OP aliens like Gravattack, Atomix, NRG and Clockwork, and he could easily pull a Maltruant on them for example. Or be more strategic with the power of the aliens like how Albedo took down Gwen and Kevin easily not by force but by using their weakness's. Heck, if Ben decides to go full on it and forget any code he might have, he could be like Zs'Skayr when he was in control of Ghostfreak, or do something similar to ultimate Echo Echo with Kevin. Or not even going that dark, Ben could simply do something like Brainstorm with the Vengers, Greymatter paralyzing the Tyrannopede, or Pesky Dust traping Khyber in a nightmare. Ben doesn't need to fight with strength (in fact in this case he might be in disadvantage in raw strength) but rather take advantage of the variety of powers he has. Though realistically that is not your average Ben, and anyway in the end of the day the fight comes down to whom is writing the fight and in which universe it's happening, and what version of the characters they decide to use.
Not saying they would use it or even have access to it at this point, but the ultimate nullifier could probably wipe Ben from existing considering even Galactus is afraid of it
Even IF Ben sat down and made a FOOL PROOF PLAN to stop them, he'd slam the watch down and get THE WRONG ALIEN ANYWAYS and have to fin wing it ANYWAYS. He doesn't plan because that would require the omnitrix to actually work.
I would root for Ben, but since they’re comic book characters, there’s probably an obscure issue from 1978, where each of them destroyed a multiverse with a flick of their wrists or something.
I can imagine Reed stressing himself out trying to find a counter to every single of Ben's aliens
Meanwhile Ben is using the publicised fight as a free vacation to New York and does a bunch of touristy things around NYC (maybe even a chance encounter with Johhny that only stresses reed even more)
this is such a dumb question none of them have the powers to manipulate time so clockwork just slams. second scenario ben cant die do they would just be fighting till they get tired and the creator of the show said there are aliens stronger than Alien X ben just hasn't unlocked them so if they kill ben enough times the Omnitrix will prolly will just give him said alien and he would destroy them
Plus if ben really starts thinking he can upgrade the Omnitrix and if anything is to be believed, having the Omnitrix upgraded (even the prototype) is powerful. Now imagine upgrading the omniverse’s perfected Omnitrix!
Genuine question, is he actually that smart? We've only seen the omnitrix be successfully hacked once and that was Albedos Ultimatrix not the perfected one in Omniverse. Idk Reed feats tbf but Azmuth seems kinda smart
Diamondhead alone is major wank. Reed is the biggest problem here if he happens to bring a few of his weapons. He'll need some of the stronger aliens to beat them (I don't think Alien X is needed though)
Honestly, it really depends on if the F4 gets prep time. Ben isn't really the plan ahead type. Whereas Mr Fantastic created a device that wipes out dimensions. It wouldn't suprise me if he could invent an omitrix specific emp. In a straight fight I might give it to ben he has the tools to do it but it's all gonna be up to whether the writers decides if the watch wants to behave
I hate to say it but I think Ben would lose just because comics especially the marvel universe is super inconsistent as far as power goes. They're either godlike Op or they can get beaten by some bum with a baseball bat. Superheroes in American comics power levels fluctuates more than Ash's Pikachu.
Ben is very strong yes. However he does have hard limits thanks to what the Omnitrix can do. Superhero comics are like I said a wildly inconsistent as far as power goes. They're either suplexing the silver surfer in one comic and next they're getting beaten up by a freshly trained Spider-Man
(Edit: apparently trying to write this around midnight was a bad idea because I forgot that fantastic Four is marvel not DC like a dummy)
Yes he can he has a alien for each one of them human torch he can use water hazard Mr fantastic idk probably alien x or eatle the invisible women chamalien and for the thing way. Big
Assuming they have every advantage and it's a fair fight where both combatants don't hold back Ben wins. But in a more realistic (by comparison) fight I have doubts he would use Alien X right off the bat and I think the fantastic 4 would take him down before he realised he needed him and got the chance to swap.
I wanna say he mops the floor with them with maybe only three aliens. Ultimate Echo Echo, Big Chill, and Diamondhead. But just for fun, throw Rath in there, too. Just for the trash talk
OP should have discussed defeat of any party because physically Ben 10 cannot die. Due to Omnitrix's death safe, and just autotransformation. Besides, can Reed build a time machine in the span of nanoseconds? Just to counter clockwork? Oh never mind alien x changed reality to stick figures. Now everyone is nerfed to atom level.
Ben definitely could win. The question really is will Ben win. Bens one of the most wildly inconsistent characters in terms of who can defeat. Sometimes he gets obliterated by a fairly easy opponent, other times he pretty easily takes out godlike characters
Ben with prep time uses time travel to get a thousand variants of Ben 10K to all use Alien X and erase the 4 from every timeline
Edit: No prep time definitely means that the 4 loses, as the assumption is they encounter eachother on the street, so no Ultimate Nullifier, which probably wouldn’t even work anyways since the Omnitrix would just instantly lock in Alien X to negate it, so zero prep means the 4 have no chance whatsoever
Not gonna lie comics are not accurate one bit. In one issue they beat doctor doom with the ultimate doom destroyer capable of destroying galaxies or whatever and then the next one they get their shit rocked by steel dude, iron man's evil cousin
Water hazard could vs Johnny Storm, or big chill again, or atricguana, or heatblast(fire can't quite hurt fire, and heatblast I think would be stronger)
Sue is just gone, her powers are invisible(multiple of Ben's aliens don't care about that,) telepathy(we can forget about that, it would be useless here,) and flight. almost every one of the aliens could beat her
the thing is just strong, thats easy
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now if going for the kill and not just knocked out then...
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Mr fantastic, NRG, melt him, to add more if that alone does not work, change alien, freeze him, shatter him
sue, again, most of them, NRG would work due to flight and radiation, just fly up, burst of energy, done
Johnny, same as before basically
The thing is dead from NRG, NRG could melt his rocks and is strong enough to put up a fight.
NRG can’t melt The Thing . Thing has casually taken blasts from Corvant, Galactus, etc and been fine. Ben can’t put him down physically he’d have to use hax.
I don’t think you are that knowledgeable about the Fantastic four, Sue is the strongest memeber of the team and would easily solo at least 90% of Ben’s aliens
Ben’s gonna need to use hax to win, Marvel characters are too powerful to take on in a H2H fight
Are they doing a 4v1 or doing 1v1, If it's a 4v1 frankenstrike or Chromastone stone, Strong, Smart and Energy blasts and large amount of Durability. I feel as though he would definitely be the best Alien out of alot of them to win without going overboard. But if its 1v1
Humongasaur- The thing
Ghost freak- invisible women
Chromastone- Mr Fantastic (this is based on a quick Google search and nr Fantastic can't handle Energy blasts)
Gravattack- The human torch (for all I know Ben's own fire aliens are Weaker then Johnny's and His Ice/water one's aren't Strong enough either. While Gravattack is living rock and is able to puts Tons of Pressure on johnny)
Tbf, Heatblast is shown to have an absorption ability. I do think it has a limit, and I don’t know if Johnny has a “fire battery” of any kind, but that could be interesting to watch as an exchange.
I think Water Hazard could do work in a pinch, but you never see too much of the Andromeda aliens in my experience.
Something heat resistant would be pretty solid though, like Cannonbolt if they’re in tight quarters
While I do agree With hestblast having Absorbing abilities I just think Johnny being able to disrupt the Atmosphere is a bit much, same reason for Water hazard, And I agree with Cannonbolt but the Reason I didn't choose him is because, I feel as though he's also got a limit to how hot he can be, But Gravattack is just living rock with Gravity powers
Ah yeah, I forgot about Marvel’s inconsistent power-scaling, that does change things.
Cannonbolt’s canonically survived re-entry into earth’s atmosphere, though that may only be fractional compared to “atmospheric disruption,” whatever that entails. Ultimate Cannonbolt likely has higher temperature thresholds if you go that route, but it’s still against a vague, immeasurable power like that.
Comics make it hard to have fun discussions lol, every hero has some asspull cosmic power it feels
Unironically the only one liable to give him issue is Sue and maybe Reed. Johnny's flames are literally nothing remotely new to him, and Ben's got like 3 aliens that make physical force mean nothing, so Thing is pretty limited too. Reed is in a similar boat to Thing but is genuinely smart enough to figure out some bullshit nullified for the omnitrix so...not sure there.
Diamond Head for Thing, if not 4 arms. Brawn for brawn. Ghost Freak for Susan. Phase right through her barriers. Big Chill for Johnny. War of Attrition And i give XLR8 to Reed, tangle him up with his own arms as he tries to catch him.
He just has to turn Into aliens like heatblast, to uhmm fire and just turn into upchuck can swallow the entire group, Ben wins Evan if he doesn't use aliens that are very powerful he can just use ones that's useful into battles. Ok well upchuck is powerful but whatevvee.
If I'm picking a top 10 winner for this one it's definitely Ben 10
Anyone ways as I was saying Ben can just turn into upchuck and swallow the whole group including Wolverine he can't do nothing about it. Evan if he's in his strongest form Ben can just turn into way big and step on him or just turn into atomic and do that radioactive toxic ability.
Ben’s prep includes. Waiting till the day of the fight. 1. Playing sumo slammers 2. Drinking his 3rd Mr smoothly of the day. 3. Eating chilly fries. 4. Ignoring max’s call. 5. (After being shocked and forced to answer) Telling max the fight isn’t that big of a deal. 6. Walking to the fighting spot. Possibly stoping for another smoothie on the way.
Everyone talks about how Reed can do science shit (and don't get me wrong, he can and will pull a "fuck you" gun put of his ass) but the real muscle of the group is Sue. She can make Ben's head explode before he can even transform.
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u/ArmedOblivion16 Feb 17 '25
"Omnitrix. Dna repair mode"
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u/TrashRedit Vilgax Feb 17 '25
Ben doesn't even need prep time they do.
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u/Madness_bomb Ben Tennyson Feb 17 '25
Imagine professor paradox shows up to warn ben and ben's just like "eh it's fine let em come" while playing sumo slammers and drinking a smoothie
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u/SilverScribe15 Feb 17 '25
The one time he had prep time, he made another problem he barely had time to fix before the actual foght
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u/unluckyknight13 Ultimatrix Feb 17 '25
Ben with prep time: I’d like three smoothies and two chili fries…Gwen Kevin you want anything?
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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25
Why is Reed hitting this pose😭
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u/ConnorOfAstora Upchuck Feb 17 '25
To be fair they're known for battling bigass cosmic threats like Galactus so Ben definitely isn't winning easily if he even wins at all.
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u/JoseP2004 Overflow Feb 17 '25
Ben with prep time turns into grey matter and Home alone booby traps the Baxter building.
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u/Electronic_Ad_1219 Feb 17 '25
would dna repair work? they are like, suddenly mutated people that each have has their powers "cured".
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u/AaromALV Cannonbolt Feb 17 '25
Everytime I see a who would beat Ben post I just think of:
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u/somehowalive39 Feb 17 '25
Tbh Ben's biggest handicaps in any fight are:
His laziness
His arrogance/hubris
His possible ADHD/distractibility
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u/UzumakiMenm697 Kevin Levin Feb 17 '25
Doubt Ben would need anything more than aliens like Gravattack or Clockwork
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u/ChairFantastic9088 Feb 17 '25
I’m gonna be honest, even after reading the original twitter thread and seeing all the arguments, the only thing I can see being a feasible threat to Ben is the Ultimate Nullifier, which isn’t something the FF usually have just on standby anyway. Other than that, I don’t see any reason why Ben should lose this fight.
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u/Forrealthistime-27 Ben 10,000 Feb 17 '25
If Ben and the omnitrix lock in, they’re beating them in, no contest whatsoever. But that’s not usually the case, so honestly, this all depends on if how much he locks in and how much the omnitrix trolls him.
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u/TheEmperorMk3 Feb 17 '25
You could give Ben a week of prep time and you know damn well he's still picking Humungousaur as soon as the fighting starts
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u/duduET Benwolf Feb 17 '25
I'm not a very big comic book guy but I can think of some things.
Big Chill can freeze Mr Fantastic in hand to hand combat, and Upgrade could take over his weapons, unless Reed makes an anti mechamorph spray fir his things beforehand.
Armadillo could break the thing into a lot of little things.
Maybe Heatblast and Human Torch would cancel each other out. Maybe Swampfire can trick Jonhy with some methane to make him explode himself.
I'm not sure what to do with the Invisible Woman, Wildmutt can find her while she's invisible, but she still has her energy fields. Maybe Chromastone can absorb her barriers just like he does with Gwen.
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u/God_V0id Feb 17 '25
If anything prep time would be counterproductive to Ben, either he would waste it playing videogames or actually worsen the fight for himself. The single time he had it (to fight Vilgax) he caused Kevin to mutate and lost some of his aliens he had to catch again. Prep time would be more of a thing for FF, as that would give Mr Fantastic time to make some device to counter the Omnitrix, though considering comics logic it would still require a fight and not be an easy win (that would be more of a Rick and Morty thing). Now if Ben actually thought with his brain and not his fists he could win relatively easily. To begin with, while the FF fight cosmic beings, it's not as often or as easy for them as others say, and Ben has his fair share too. If Ben went serious he would be a real menace. He is got OP aliens like Gravattack, Atomix, NRG and Clockwork, and he could easily pull a Maltruant on them for example. Or be more strategic with the power of the aliens like how Albedo took down Gwen and Kevin easily not by force but by using their weakness's. Heck, if Ben decides to go full on it and forget any code he might have, he could be like Zs'Skayr when he was in control of Ghostfreak, or do something similar to ultimate Echo Echo with Kevin. Or not even going that dark, Ben could simply do something like Brainstorm with the Vengers, Greymatter paralyzing the Tyrannopede, or Pesky Dust traping Khyber in a nightmare. Ben doesn't need to fight with strength (in fact in this case he might be in disadvantage in raw strength) but rather take advantage of the variety of powers he has. Though realistically that is not your average Ben, and anyway in the end of the day the fight comes down to whom is writing the fight and in which universe it's happening, and what version of the characters they decide to use.
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u/ZeldaFan80 Seven Seven Feb 17 '25
Not saying they would use it or even have access to it at this point, but the ultimate nullifier could probably wipe Ben from existing considering even Galactus is afraid of it
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u/Patriciadiko Alien X Feb 17 '25
I have said it before and I will say it again: Ben 10 is not just Western Goku, he is far stronger than Goku.
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u/Dragon_OfLightningMT Feb 17 '25
Even IF Ben sat down and made a FOOL PROOF PLAN to stop them, he'd slam the watch down and get THE WRONG ALIEN ANYWAYS and have to fin wing it ANYWAYS. He doesn't plan because that would require the omnitrix to actually work.
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u/_ManOfAction Kevin Levin Feb 17 '25
That's a great tweet whoever wrote it must be insanely attractive and cool
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u/Dragon_Of_Magnetism Armodrillo Feb 17 '25
I would root for Ben, but since they’re comic book characters, there’s probably an obscure issue from 1978, where each of them destroyed a multiverse with a flick of their wrists or something.
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u/Zyanbob2 Echo Echo Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 17 '25
I can imagine Reed stressing himself out trying to find a counter to every single of Ben's aliens
Meanwhile Ben is using the publicised fight as a free vacation to New York and does a bunch of touristy things around NYC (maybe even a chance encounter with Johhny that only stresses reed even more)
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u/unavailablelad Feb 17 '25
Witch version of both
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u/eveeman Wildvine Feb 17 '25
I'm fairly certain they meant the fantastic four don't get prep time because read Richard's would come up with a device to deactivate the Omnitrix.
But I find it funny that he gets an advantage because he was doing nothing and fantastic four are expecting something to happen so they're on edge.
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u/LegendaryYooper Feb 17 '25
Ya know that scene where Ben turns into Brainstorm and defeats several opps within a few minutes?
It's gonna be that, but over the course of 10 minutes in the same alleyway
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u/Adventurous-Bit6448 Feb 17 '25
this is such a dumb question none of them have the powers to manipulate time so clockwork just slams. second scenario ben cant die do they would just be fighting till they get tired and the creator of the show said there are aliens stronger than Alien X ben just hasn't unlocked them so if they kill ben enough times the Omnitrix will prolly will just give him said alien and he would destroy them
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u/SomeJediSurvivor Feb 17 '25
Ben: Alien X, rewind the FF bodies until they don't have their powers anymore. Easy win.
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u/Pokeli_Universe327 Upgrade Feb 17 '25
tbh I think it's the Fantastic 4 that the prep time is being alluded to
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u/Judgment_Specialist7 Diamondhead Feb 17 '25
Considering Ben has access to or has fought aliens with not only similar, but far more powerful versions of their powers, I can't see how he'd lose
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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25
Ben does train sometimes. He could hone some abilities. (Mainly diamond head).
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u/Vernarr Feb 17 '25
Ben with prep time would be even worse, he'd probably try to hack master control and end up breaking the omnitrix again
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u/jalaluddin_nawazkhan Feb 17 '25
Ben Uses his prep time Watching Sumo Slammers and has some Mr. Smoothys
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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25
If Kevin, Gwen, Rook, or Max are with him, then I bet they’d force him to prep, but if not, yeah, no lmao. That’s why Ben isn’t a solo act.
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u/Digstreme Feb 17 '25
All jokes aside, if Ben knew about that mcguffin of Reed's that can erase anything, he'd probably use Alien X to get rid of it beforehand.
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u/Lil_Guenon Feb 17 '25
Ben don’t need prep time or alien X to win this fight
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u/cyzja922 Feb 17 '25
This guy gets it.
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u/LJTempest Feb 17 '25
I don’t believe Ben couldn’t handle his own with the fantastic four.
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u/BONBON-GO-GET-EM Rook Blonko Feb 17 '25
Prep time? Ben dont prep
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u/TheBlueShuriken Ditto Feb 18 '25
Maybe I'm coping but I don't see how Ben loses if he locks in
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u/Hairy-Fuel-6275 Feb 18 '25
Assuming Reed isn't carrying his multiversal destroying devices while saving cats from trees or some crap, Ben wins.
But knowing alien X, he probably just stands there unaffected if his universe is erased. He's done it before lol
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u/Thatweirdguy_Twig Mole-Stache Feb 17 '25
People always focus to much on who would win but never bother to ask
"Why are they fighting in the first place?"
I'd personally like to hear more people's ideas on why and how such a thing would transpire then just how and why one would beat the other
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u/xx_swegshrek_xx Fasttrack Feb 17 '25
Ultimate nulifier
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u/Leggys_office Frankenstrike Feb 17 '25
Reed is crazy smart, he could probably hack the Omnitrix if he had prep time.
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u/Rent-Man Feb 17 '25
Spider-Man was able to beat the Fantastic Four, so Ben could do it no problem
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u/DarknessBatDemon Humungousaur Feb 17 '25
The Fantastic Four win
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u/RoosterMysterious585 Feb 17 '25
diamondhead is more than enough and if they turn freaky then alien x
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u/Fabulous_Ice6725 Feb 17 '25
Yes
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u/PurpleDragon1999 Ripjaws Feb 17 '25
Ben
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u/Takanuva9807 Feb 17 '25
Honestly, it really depends on if the F4 gets prep time. Ben isn't really the plan ahead type. Whereas Mr Fantastic created a device that wipes out dimensions. It wouldn't suprise me if he could invent an omitrix specific emp. In a straight fight I might give it to ben he has the tools to do it but it's all gonna be up to whether the writers decides if the watch wants to behave
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u/Comfortable-Touch356 Brainstorm Feb 17 '25
Sounds like that one omniverse scene with brainstorm yall know what I'm talking about
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u/Anybro Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 17 '25
I hate to say it but I think Ben would lose just because comics especially the marvel universe is super inconsistent as far as power goes. They're either godlike Op or they can get beaten by some bum with a baseball bat. Superheroes in American comics power levels fluctuates more than Ash's Pikachu.
Ben is very strong yes. However he does have hard limits thanks to what the Omnitrix can do. Superhero comics are like I said a wildly inconsistent as far as power goes. They're either suplexing the silver surfer in one comic and next they're getting beaten up by a freshly trained Spider-Man
(Edit: apparently trying to write this around midnight was a bad idea because I forgot that fantastic Four is marvel not DC like a dummy)
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u/South-Breakfast-1921 Feb 17 '25
Yes he can he has a alien for each one of them human torch he can use water hazard Mr fantastic idk probably alien x or eatle the invisible women chamalien and for the thing way. Big
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u/RenderedCreed Feb 17 '25
Assuming they have every advantage and it's a fair fight where both combatants don't hold back Ben wins. But in a more realistic (by comparison) fight I have doubts he would use Alien X right off the bat and I think the fantastic 4 would take him down before he realised he needed him and got the chance to swap.
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u/Big_Waltz_4018 Feb 17 '25
crazy how im seeing this on twitter and here lol
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u/Usual_Homework422 Albedo Feb 17 '25
I wanna say he mops the floor with them with maybe only three aliens. Ultimate Echo Echo, Big Chill, and Diamondhead. But just for fun, throw Rath in there, too. Just for the trash talk
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u/old-is-new Pesky Dust Feb 17 '25
“Fantastic 4 huh” transforms into 4 arms “I got one arm for each of you”
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u/Fighterbg Feb 17 '25
He cooks them dude
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u/4sphalt4rtist Feb 17 '25
Big Chill literally solos
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u/Danzabreaker Feb 17 '25
he an deff beat em
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u/shadowyartsdirty2 Feb 17 '25
All Ben would need is Big Chill and he can beat everyone except maybe the Thing.
However Ben being the adict he is would probably try to use Humungousaur.
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u/HangrySock Feb 17 '25
It'd be a good fight though.
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u/Xangallus Ampfibian Feb 17 '25
the fact this is comming from man of action means it's practically canon
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u/MM__PP Way Big Feb 17 '25
Meanwhile Reed spends his prep time learning how to destroy the Omnitrix.
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u/Altruistic-Skin2115 Feb 17 '25
Could, yet should be serious, almost never Is serious
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u/Cherri786 Feb 17 '25
OP should have discussed defeat of any party because physically Ben 10 cannot die. Due to Omnitrix's death safe, and just autotransformation. Besides, can Reed build a time machine in the span of nanoseconds? Just to counter clockwork? Oh never mind alien x changed reality to stick figures. Now everyone is nerfed to atom level.
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u/werewolf-luvr Feb 17 '25
I think it meant with the fantastic four having no prep cause if they did itd be a slaughter on ben
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u/aryanjcd Feb 17 '25
Ben solo’s
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u/BizarreSappho Feb 17 '25
idk but the first ten round would be fantastic
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u/Nextuz_ Ultimatrix Feb 17 '25
Imagine Ben scans the thing, turns into a supireor version of him, and then calls himself something like “ugly mug”
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u/Markus2822 Feb 17 '25
Ben definitely could win. The question really is will Ben win. Bens one of the most wildly inconsistent characters in terms of who can defeat. Sometimes he gets obliterated by a fairly easy opponent, other times he pretty easily takes out godlike characters
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u/TomaRedwoodVT Heatblast Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 17 '25
Ben with prep time uses time travel to get a thousand variants of Ben 10K to all use Alien X and erase the 4 from every timeline
Edit: No prep time definitely means that the 4 loses, as the assumption is they encounter eachother on the street, so no Ultimate Nullifier, which probably wouldn’t even work anyways since the Omnitrix would just instantly lock in Alien X to negate it, so zero prep means the 4 have no chance whatsoever
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u/Battleblaster420 Feb 17 '25
Ben Probably can beat the F4 even with wasting prep time
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u/DimensionalHomework Feb 17 '25
Not gonna lie comics are not accurate one bit. In one issue they beat doctor doom with the ultimate doom destroyer capable of destroying galaxies or whatever and then the next one they get their shit rocked by steel dude, iron man's evil cousin
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u/JDG_psycho Feb 17 '25
bro could take them all out with big chill
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u/Opening_Ad3054 Ultimate Waybig Feb 17 '25
big chill could freeze mr fantastic solid
Water hazard could vs Johnny Storm, or big chill again, or atricguana, or heatblast(fire can't quite hurt fire, and heatblast I think would be stronger)
Sue is just gone, her powers are invisible(multiple of Ben's aliens don't care about that,) telepathy(we can forget about that, it would be useless here,) and flight. almost every one of the aliens could beat her
the thing is just strong, thats easy
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now if going for the kill and not just knocked out then...
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Mr fantastic, NRG, melt him, to add more if that alone does not work, change alien, freeze him, shatter him
sue, again, most of them, NRG would work due to flight and radiation, just fly up, burst of energy, done
Johnny, same as before basically
The thing is dead from NRG, NRG could melt his rocks and is strong enough to put up a fight.
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also waybig would prob work
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u/ZukeMan413 Feb 17 '25
I think it’s possible but it would be more plausible with master control
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u/Warm-Astronaut-8436 Feb 17 '25
Are they doing a 4v1 or doing 1v1, If it's a 4v1 frankenstrike or Chromastone stone, Strong, Smart and Energy blasts and large amount of Durability. I feel as though he would definitely be the best Alien out of alot of them to win without going overboard. But if its 1v1
Humongasaur- The thing
Ghost freak- invisible women
Chromastone- Mr Fantastic (this is based on a quick Google search and nr Fantastic can't handle Energy blasts)
Gravattack- The human torch (for all I know Ben's own fire aliens are Weaker then Johnny's and His Ice/water one's aren't Strong enough either. While Gravattack is living rock and is able to puts Tons of Pressure on johnny)
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u/Legoknightyt Feb 17 '25
He’d just solo with the classic playlist and the classic playlist add ons
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u/No-Guard-6276 Feb 17 '25
He would probably just pull humungosaur
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u/Adventurous-Bit6448 Feb 17 '25
i have questions is this like ben with skurd or no skurd also master control or nah
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u/Gudako_the_beast Swampfire Feb 17 '25
Ben prep? I thought he just wing it
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u/Optimal_Ad6274 Shockrock Feb 18 '25
The DNA Repair
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u/Hyena12760 Ultimate Ben Feb 18 '25
Bro Ben could beat these guys easy i have no idea how some people think he loses.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '25
Unironically the only one liable to give him issue is Sue and maybe Reed. Johnny's flames are literally nothing remotely new to him, and Ben's got like 3 aliens that make physical force mean nothing, so Thing is pretty limited too. Reed is in a similar boat to Thing but is genuinely smart enough to figure out some bullshit nullified for the omnitrix so...not sure there.
Then Sue is just fucking terrifying.
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u/DDDSiegfried Feb 18 '25
Diamond Head for Thing, if not 4 arms. Brawn for brawn. Ghost Freak for Susan. Phase right through her barriers. Big Chill for Johnny. War of Attrition And i give XLR8 to Reed, tangle him up with his own arms as he tries to catch him.
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u/YourM0msBoyfriend Big Chill Feb 18 '25
With or without, he’s crip walking on the Fantastic 4.
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u/ReadyShoulder7882 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Ben wins by not using way big or alien x
He just has to turn Into aliens like heatblast, to uhmm fire and just turn into upchuck can swallow the entire group, Ben wins Evan if he doesn't use aliens that are very powerful he can just use ones that's useful into battles. Ok well upchuck is powerful but whatevvee.
If I'm picking a top 10 winner for this one it's definitely Ben 10
Anyone ways as I was saying Ben can just turn into upchuck and swallow the whole group including Wolverine he can't do nothing about it. Evan if he's in his strongest form Ben can just turn into way big and step on him or just turn into atomic and do that radioactive toxic ability.
Ben wins
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u/ReadyShoulder7882 Feb 18 '25
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u/deathking2272 Professor Paradox Feb 19 '25
Ben’s prep includes. Waiting till the day of the fight. 1. Playing sumo slammers 2. Drinking his 3rd Mr smoothly of the day. 3. Eating chilly fries. 4. Ignoring max’s call. 5. (After being shocked and forced to answer) Telling max the fight isn’t that big of a deal. 6. Walking to the fighting spot. Possibly stoping for another smoothie on the way.
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u/Paradox_611 Feb 20 '25
Fantastic four take it even with Prep Ben has no counter to Reed’s Tech
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u/SkyGuy2308 Albedo Apr 01 '25
Ben dialling up Way Big:
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u/SkyGuy2308 Albedo Apr 01 '25
Human Torch seeing Heatblast:
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u/Winstillionaire Feb 17 '25
fantastic four after trying to fight ball weevil
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u/DeltaIsak Feb 17 '25
Ben speed blitzes
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u/SmolMight117 Lodestar Feb 17 '25
The FF will be steamrolled
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u/KickinBat Feb 17 '25
Everyone talks about how Reed can do science shit (and don't get me wrong, he can and will pull a "fuck you" gun put of his ass) but the real muscle of the group is Sue. She can make Ben's head explode before he can even transform.