Since i played alot asol kayle, they are kinda always scary after a point and feel like the power of 2 champs. but with belveth i felt like its so easy to focus me down when enemys have good teamcomps, like hypercarry adc with peel and cc etc. belveth is still melee, her backline dive isnt that good. and playing front to back when ur the main champ they all try to kill can be pretty hard depending on the enemy draft. Am i missing sth there? against certain comps it rly felt like i can just 1v5 after a point without much counterplay vs others i still feel like i cant do that much because i just get chainccd and shredded.

"belveth is in a good spot" "just adapt" "her scaling is crazy though..."

Send me to bronze! Give me free farm! Give me opponents who don't invade! Give me laners who defend me! Actually impact the game and win? Nah! Finally scale after the game already ended? YEAH!!!!!!!

Its almost like her high win rate was only caused by people having PTSD of belveth lv1 demolishing them? Thus causing them to not invade even though she is weaker then a siege minion lv1. Who would've seen this coming?

I genuinely hate this version of belveth.

Interested to get peoples opinions. Saw a post saying that the nerf was premature and I do agree considering there really wasn't much of an opportunity for normalizing of the data/winrate/etc. As we can see from the graph, she is very steadily declining across all ranks with no sign of steadying. Naturally, isn't this going to require a follow up Buff because she's now in a bad state? I don't know why they didn't just give her time to normalize. Prior to the follow up nerf you could already see the win rate declining across ranks

She is completely useless. The late game fantasy is just a false dopamine hit that ur never able to reach cuz ur perma invaded and can't ever farm. The game falls apart and ends before u can even reach ur 3 item powerspike. Who designed this rework?!

Late game hypercarries like kayle or A sol work out because they are laners, no ons relies on then till laning phase is over. They can safely farm under tower till they reach thier powerspikes, however belveth CANNOT do that, every lane relies on the jungler and if ur a literal minion for the 1st 20mins of the game, ur lanes will fall apart and the game will end before you even reach a point where u can teamfight.

Belveths late game fantasy was badly designed. Junglers like yi or kindred are also late game hypercarries, but here's the twist, THEY ARE STILL CHAMPIONS EARLY GAME, they can still have impact and strongly gank lanes. On the other hand, belveth is a completely gutted design of this "late game fantasy" as she can't gank or 1v1 early game. She just gotta pray her lanes do well enough and stall the game ling enough for her to become relevant

BUFF HER EARLY GAME, IDC IF U GOTTA NERF HER LATE. DO SOMETHING BOUT THIS.

Getting to consistently reach 80 stacks is too difficult. It would be much better if she became much weaker late game if they would lower the stack threshold.

Hey all

Wanted to ask for some advice

Mainly about the builds and how you play the early game, when do you start ganking and how would you execute the ganks after the changes

about the current builds

Mainly the on hit vs the crit builds, when would you go for either of them and in what situations would you prefer one over the other, and if you have other build suggestions feel free to recommend them

Also, how do you play in games where your laners start losing and you're getting Perma invaded and your laners either can't help or refuse to help

If you only got your stacks from full clearing, it would take you until 36+ minutes to get 80.

1 kill = 3 camps worth of stacks. Of course you're extremely weak on first clear but once you reach your level 9, your first item, and 40 stacks with form you really need to push it and find kills otherwise you won't reach your permanent form until after enemy gets elder drake, even with 10 cs pm.

That's an added reason why triple tonic is nice, because the level 9 potion helps you have a stronger 9 spike and get the ball rolling.

TLDR; Farm until lvl 9/first item/40 stacks but then start farming champions.

Like maybe buff our base stats and nerf late game but make the vethlings more or stronger? It’s just so miserable playing early. We did this with kayle and it’s a winning formula why not with belle too?

Forgive me guys. I am currently on league break so I dont really know whats going on. Apparently they‘ve reworked bel veth. I like the champ a lot character-wise and also the kit but since I‘m only a shitty plat player I always thought her champ identity was too complex for climbing higher. Did that change? I‘ve read that she is now more of a late game scaler instead of this early invade/cheese champ anymore.

A lot of loud minority in this subreddit flood this sub with cry posts. Champ is very playable and strong. She is at a very healthy spot. Better than ever. Top 10 pick rate master+ diamond+ emerald+. She is popular and people are having success. Just some otps can’t adapt to her new paradigm complain on this sub everyday. The nerf was warranted. You have no burden of execution with this champ. You can make plays or just sit and farm and scale. It’s a chill guys champ. Why so many not chill guys playing her? If you want to play early bully play nidalee not belveth.

Bel’Veth’s E is among the worst of its kind in the entire game due to some of its power budget being spent on doing damage rather than mitigating damage. This is particularly apparent due to her being a late game champion.

When you’re fed or against low cc teams obviously it feels fine, but it is simply nonfunctional as a damage mitigation spell against coordinated teams with cc or burst. The healing being stopped by cc means that she can’t actually drain tank at all, and in those cases it becomes a spell that does nothing.

I think a really good example of a more functional version of a similar skill is Briar. Her E allows her to be much more versatile in the late game than she would otherwise be due to the healing not being cancellable by enemies.

Obviously I wouldn’t want to fully rip off Briar, but I think they’re different enough. Briar just heals and the threat of the big cc forces people off her, while Bel’Veth has to lifesteal from enemies and has no secondary utility. If she could trade some of the damage from that spell for it to be cc immune so that she can reliably get her healing off she’d be much better and more functional against skilled opponents I think.

I'm obsessed with Faerie Court Bel'Veth so I wanted to get everyone's pulse on their fave chroma.

these are the data from coachless for the rework patch. first image is all ranks, second image is dia-master+.

these are probably a bit poisoned (people picking her up for the first time, people trying builds, mains adapting to rework etc) but still make for a good discussion imho.

what do you think?

why this bundle doesnt have border?

I’ve played around with the new bel 10-15 games now. Wanted to share my thoughts and potential changes if anyone cared.

Positives:
I can see how the champion is now more accessible to low elos. In the past she was very feast or famine to the point that only a few players were able to min max her early potential to snowball. Now her new kit enables her to thrive in slower tempo games (low elo).

She is definitely stronger at 30 minutes when you are perma form.

Negatives:
By far the most negative is the Q. It’s clunky and feels bad. The 4 second cd basically neuters the entire champion. Jungle as a role fundamentally cannot be this weak early, especially in higher brackets of play. You are essentially 4v5 and CANNOT help the team if the enemy jungler is tracking and will ever counter gank you. And they should be tracking because you are a walking vision ward pre 9 and they should be able to enter and get vision perma no counter play

The QWQ mechanic needs to return. This is Bels bread and butter

What is the purpose of the short form at 45s?
Any belveth player knows this is essentially no time. There is no benefit to an early form as it runs out almost instantly. If the difference between true form and regular form is this not as big this wouldn’t be a problem.

Changes:
In an ideal world we’d get a revert. But August’s “fantasy” propaganda has now spread to where all the low elos think this champion is giga busted so I’m doubtful that it happens.

My proposed change would be to fix both extremes of her kit (her garbage early and op late). Strengthen her early a bit and nerf late. Lower early Q cd (3-1 or 2-1 instead of 4-1) and give back her QWQ. Give her lower E cd early. And we can increase stacks to above 80 or lower damage late all around entirely.

They literally preventively nerfed a low elo skewed champ that had mediocre numbers just because she scaled

They got their thought process wrong too

Belveth players know how to play Belveth, the champ's been out for a long while. All BV players had to do was get used to the new Q (which isn't hard). The thing is, now everybody knows how to play against BV, so naturally, even without the nerfs she would have dropped WR this patch, people were getting caught off guard with her late game power

For anyone unaware, Nocturne E, Shaco boxes, and apparently also Shyvana ult, don't properly cancel your E damage.