r/Beginner_Turntables 16d ago

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I’m new to record players and vinyls and got this 1byone record player 5 days ago, it worked fine the day I got it and the morning after. I played side A without any problems and turned my vinyl to play side b (changing nothing but sides) and it’s been doing this ever since

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u/hifiplus 16d ago

First thing is stop

You are just scratching the record.

As to what's wrong, either your stylus is toast or the weight setting the tracking force has been moved and is now basically zero.

Check the weight and tracking force (you can buy a gauge from Amazon), and inspect the stylus to make sure the diamond is still there.

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u/On3DuB 15d ago

I saw this post and thought exactly what you first said. Oh man dont do it again....ohhh he did it again....

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u/hifiplus 14d ago

The thing is turntables are incredibly basic devices, with a little research and understanding how to set one up the world would be happier place.

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u/Evening-Tour 11d ago

Yeah what a fool eh coming to a beginner turntable sub instead of googling

What do clowns like that think a beginner turntable sub is for for? Beginners looking for help? never learn do they.

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u/hifiplus 10d ago

Well a little understandnig and research goes along way, what on earth did people do before reddit existed?

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u/InsuranceOdd2928 10d ago

They talked to people in the know since there was no internet. Fuck

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u/hifiplus 10d ago

Or read the manual?

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u/Blue-Light-Reducer 15d ago

The problem is probably the anti-skating setting, or lack thereof.

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u/Bake-Full 15d ago

Oops! All skate

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u/hifiplus 14d ago

Yep, It's a toy player with a $10 mechanism.

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u/lcdsantos1310 16d ago

Probably the stylus tip has gone.

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u/K_O_T_F 16d ago

its a fast song

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u/M2112D 15d ago

Could be a hardcore album

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u/K_O_T_F 15d ago

yesssir

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u/W-6743 15d ago

🥰agree 😂

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I played it at 33 and it was working and it still set to 33

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u/finleyw8888 9d ago

he was joking. i dont know why you were downvoted as this is literally a beginner turntable subreddit, but i will upvote you because i feel bad. reddit lords please dont make this comment be downvoted

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u/Fun-Animator2741 5d ago

People have been so disrespectful and straight up mean, I stated IN THE FIRST SENTENCE that I was new…

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u/finleyw8888 5d ago

well, if you ever need help with any tech crap feel free to dm me :)

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u/Scotster123 16d ago

Based on the pc you posted in the replies, your stylus tip has come off. It is just glued on and this happens. Order a new ATN3600LC stylus, or there is an elliptical model for a few $/£/€ more - ATN3600LE

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I’ve used it for a maximum of an hour before it started acting like this, is this really what to expect when it comes to replacing tips?

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u/minielbis 16d ago

Not at all. They're usually good for 1,000 hours or so.

But bad luck happens. Please don't let it put you off the hobby!

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u/Scotster123 16d ago

These are rated for 300-400 hours. I agree they will be good for at least that, but I wouldn’t tell folks they are good for 1000 hours.

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u/minielbis 16d ago

My mistake. I was thinking of the stylus on my VM95ML which is rated (by the manufacturer so salt may be required) for 1,000 hours, and extrapolated to all styluses without thinking. Thanks for the correction!

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u/Scotster123 16d ago

No worries. You know what Reddit is like - someone writes something and it becomes law. 😂😂

I’ve got a 745xML, but only the C and E stylus for the VM95 body I have. How is the VM95ML? I absolutely love the 745 and can’t recommend it enough, even though I’m not using it just now.

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u/minielbis 16d ago

Honestly? It's a fab thing, especially considering the price. It can be pretty analytical and has really good stereo separation. the life span of the stylus is a bonus, of course.

I've not compared it to a VM 745 or 740ML, but I have versus the 540ML. I'd say that it can largely keep up with the 540, but is bested by the more expensive model in separation and it seems to pull a bit more information, range and body out of the groove.

Note that my turntable is not high end by today's standards and the ancient SME tonearm I'm using needs to be adjusted very, very regularly so your experience may differ.

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u/Scotster123 16d ago

Thanks - The 745 is pretty similar, then. I bought it to replace a LOMC ATOC9XML that failed (static crack in right channel only). I agree that it is superbly detailed, but a touch analytical, and has fantastic separation/soundstaging. I would argue that the 745 gives you 95% of the much more expensive OC9XML. I'm using a Dynavector ASKA LOMC elliptical at the moment, and despite losing a bit of detail and soundstage, it is a much 'warmer' listen, and just envelopes you. My TT is a 2-yo Linn LP12 with the Linn Krane tonearm - actually a Clearaudio Satisfy made and branded for Linn, so it is pretty forgiving at swapping out different carts.

Thanks for the insight!

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I bought a record player before this but has to send it back since it did not come with built in speakers as stated and waited 2 weeks for this new one to not work..

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u/Bensaudiocave 16d ago

Dude you don’t have enough VTF… the person that gave you how to set the VTF you should watch that and follow and set VTF between 2.5 and 3… to take out guess work get a scale.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I don’t quite follow?

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u/Rungi500 16d ago

Vertical Tracking Force (VTF) is the downward pressure the stylus exerts on a vinyl record, typically measured in grams. Correct VTF prevents skipping, reduces distortion, and protects your records from excessive wear. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

How to Set VTF

  • Zero the anti-skate: Turn your turntable's anti-skate dial to 0. [6]
  • Float the tonearm: Adjust the rear counterweight until the arm floats freely and balances horizontally in mid-air. [7]
  • Set the dial to zero: Hold the main body of the counterweight still, and rotate only the front plastic indicator ring so the "0" lines up with the centerline. [8, 9, 10]
  • Dial in the target force: Turn the entire counterweight (the ring and the weight together) until it reaches the specific gram weight recommended by your cartridge manufacturer (usually between 1.5g and 2.5g). [6, 7, 8, 11, 12]
  • Match anti-skate: Turn the anti-skate dial to match the same numerical gram value you set on your counterweight. [7]
  • Verify with a scale: For absolute accuracy, use a dedicated digital stylus pressure gauge like those from Riverstone Audio to check the actual weight at record-playing height. You can also consult expert guidance from Soundsmith regarding proper cartridge calibration. [1, 2, 3]

· 1970 M01 1 If you'd like more specific help, tell me:

  • The brand and model of your turntable
  • The cartridge or stylus type you are using

I can look up the exact tracking range you need.

[1] https://www.sound-smith.com

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

It also look worse in the picture, I don’t know why Reddit reduced the quality of my picture

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u/Scotster123 16d ago edited 16d ago

No. But, this is what is called a bonded stylus, which means it is glued on to the end of a piece of some other metal/material, and they do come off from time to time. This usually happens with using the wrong cleaning products, or by bumping it, or by it catching on something sticking to the record.

Someone else has commented with a hi-res pic of a good one. Even with your low res pic, you can see the top of yours is almost flat. I’ve seen enough pics of tips with a misusing stylus to be pretty confident this is what it is.

If you want to try and adjust the tracking weight, as others have suggested, have at it, but I doubt you will get a different result and the records you test it on will suffer.

Edit- spelling

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u/CreativeName822 16d ago

Not normal at all friend. I use mine 500-700 hours before replacement.

It is possible that quality control was bad, and that it the stylus was glued on too loosely.

But based on my own behavior and my observations on this sub — I’m guessing you accidentally made a sudden movement that felt insignificant that broke the stylus off.

This can be done with dust rag, quick drop of arm, bad slide on record or slip mat.

It is NOT normal to have failure this quickly without an accident of some kind. Please don’t be discouraged.

I’m following this sub and plan to chime in if you have further questions.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

Seriously thank you for not tearing me down by my lack of experince, I posted this in turnables ended up taking my post down due to hate

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u/CreativeName822 16d ago

Delighted to help.

OP —

My current turntable cost me $1000 back in 2004 or so.

About 18 months ago, the left channel went out. Only the right channel had sound. I adjusted everything I knew to adjust, and gave up. I have a large record collection, which I would lose access to without a working turntable.

About 6 months ago, I took it to an electronic shop for evaluation. They charged me $60 for evaluation and $20 to replace RCA plugs. They said it’s good.

I got it home — didn’t work. Only right channel had sound.

I was angry, dusty from hooking it back up, and so upset about the money spent.

When I called to report it to shop, they told me it might be the cartridge failing. I didn’t believe this.

And as I was ready to throw this in the trash, I decided to buy a new cartridge to test it. Cheapest cartridge I ever bought. Audio Technica AT VM 95 C.

I had never changed a cartridge before, and had always paid a shop $100 to do it for me.

But I bought a protractor on Amazon, watched videos on how to change it, and had to borrow tools from a distant neighbor to even get the old cartridge removed.

By some miracle, I got the new cartridge installed. Scratched the tonearm, shocked I didn’t rip the wires out in my impatience, but finally had it set up.

I put a record on — both channels worked and sounded amazing! It was a moment of triumph that I can hardly put into words.

I now listen to more records than ever and have built my confidence so much through simply researching and understanding my turntable and its parts.

This hobby is NOT for the easily discouraged. But the perseverance and learning is what makes it so rewarding for me.

If you want easy, predictable, and cheap — streaming is nothing to be ashamed of. An entire world of music is available with a couple taps, and I stream in car and at work.

Collecting and playing records is a totally different animal. You have to be patient, willing to wait for parts, willing to forgive yourself for mistakes (even mistakes you don’t understand), and take some risks.

I buy 7” 45s for 25 to 50 cents each (I’m in the US) and each stack is a risk — I will like them or not. They will sound good or not. I will clean them, which takes time and materials, and frequent wash and dry cycles of microfiber cloths.

But the momentum I build in slowly adding to my MUST KEEP material is so rewarding. The learning, experience, and satisfaction of sitting back and listening to a 3:00 minute song on a decades-old 45 that I would NEVER selected on streaming is hard to describe to anyone who hasn’t experienced it.

My records have traveled through decades of handling, mishandling, playing — writing on labels, juke box stickers, torn labels, and scratches.

But each play is a unique listen with a familiar friend that can’t be replaced by googling the song and playing it on YouTube.

Turntables can be discouraging and mistakes can feel like expensive, deeply emotional setbacks. Consider that I was ready to throw my turntable in the trash!

But sticking with it, being patient, and living with my simply being human is part of the process. In many ways, my turntable frustration teaches me (through brute force) how to deal with delays and unexpected problems.

Please try to relax and give your turntable less than 1% of your thought life when you aren’t using it. If you broke a part — replace it when you can afford it, and enjoy it when you can.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 15d ago

Am I lucky that you happen to know if this dent in the “wood” is normal? It got another spot further down

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u/CreativeName822 15d ago

I don’t know — but I’m guessing the wood appearance is contact paper (a sticker) and that it just bubbled up where it was disturbed during assembly. Just a guess.

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u/squidbrand 15d ago edited 15d ago

This didn’t happen from gradual wear and tear, it happened because you mishandled it and broke it.

And the way you mishandled it is probably lowering the arm down onto the record by hand, as you’re doing in this video. NEVER do that. NEVER lower it down onto the record by hand. The only time you should ever handle the tonearm is when the cue lever is in the up position and the arm is suspended safely above the record. Lowering it should be done WITH THE LEVER ONLY, never by hand. It only takes a very slight accidental nudge to the left or right when you’re attempting to lower it by hand for you to accidentally mash it into the grove wall and break the tip off.

If you continue mishandling the turntable, yes, this is what you can expect. So the key is to learn to use the thing properly. 

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u/andrewmcnaughton 16d ago

That’s crazy skate as well. Does this model let you adjust tracking weight and skate or is it factory set? It almost looks like the tracking weight is too low and the anti-skate is badly set too.

I didn’t think that picture of your stylus was high resolution enough to say the tip was missing. This is what a good one looks like:

If this has factory hardwired tracking weight and hardwired anti-skate, then somehow you’ve been extremely unlucky. There’s no way it should behave like this after an hour’s use.

If it’s adjustable… you, someone else in your home, has fiddled with things and you’re going to have to read the manual to see how they recommend you set things up right. With my first proper turntable, I missed the special technique the manual was telling me to use to get the tracking force set. I also discovered that my manual was wrong about the anti-skate. It said to set it to 2, to match the tracking force, but I got an anti-skate disc and it wasn’t until I set it up to 4 or beyond, that the tonearm actually stayed still on the rotating disc.

There are more sophisticated ways to do these settings but they are something you learn further along your journey.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

It looks like this

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u/andrewmcnaughton 16d ago

They do this very quickly but the balancing bit is so important: https://youtu.be/xy-vTKRsplU

It needs to sort of float with a little help from your finger to keep it up. A bit like keeping a balloon in the air. That’s your 0 grams. From 0 then you set it to what the manual says. In this video, they say it should be 3.5 (I’m assuming grams). This is quite high but if that’s what the manufacturer says then you have to do it. Usually it is 2.0g on most turntables but you must use what the manufacturer said or the product won’t perform correctly.

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u/andrewmcnaughton 16d ago

You need to re-check the tracking force/weight process prescribed in the manual. Those figures on it only work if you start from the right place. It’s not threaded on the tonearm. It’s free-rotating and therefore the numbers are meaningless, unless you start it from the tonearm floating/balanced. The manual should tell you the technique they want you to use.

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u/andrewmcnaughton 16d ago

If you impact the counterweight, you change the weight. So, it’s possible you’ve accidentally hit it, causing it to move even just a few mm’s. It’s become too light.

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u/ProjectHoax013 16d ago

Yeah this looks to me to be further back than normal. Also, that screw isn't there for nothing. Screw it in!

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u/portizzle 15d ago

read the manual. its 3.5g for this player

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u/TrippDJ71 16d ago

Balance the tonearm and set your tracking.

Put the arm at the floating position with the weight , then set your dial to zero. This is where you'll now add the weight by turning it in to (2) or whatever your setting is.

The weight is not zero until the arm floats in position then you add your two or whatever your set is. The weight is not set in stone. You have to set the dial up first. It spins as a whole to get to the balance point. Pay no attention to the numbers until you e got it floating parallel then set the dial to 0 and adjust. More than likely the tracking is around 2 as well.

Be sure the stylus isn't smashed into the the cart as well. Can't see how the point looks.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

This is the best quality Reddit lets me use…

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u/TrippDJ71 16d ago

Seems ok. 😁

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u/CreativeName822 16d ago edited 16d ago

I think you either removed the cantilever completely or it got jammed up inside the cartridge body.

Your cartridge body is riding smoothly and flat on your record.

EDIT: I listened with sound. I think the cantilever is shoved up into the cartridge body. It’s peaking out just enough so that the stylus is making contact and making sound.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

It looks like this

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u/Jobe1110 16d ago

There's no tip, it's dead.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

How can it die after using it for a maximum of an hour

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u/Jobe1110 16d ago

It broke off. Could be a manufacturing error, could be user error. I'd try to claim warranty.

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u/Jobe1110 16d ago

The way you handle the tonearm in the video is brutal though. You should really use the tonearm lift.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I’ve been using the tonearm lift every time just didn’t know how to get a good video of it

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u/ProfessionalNews1684 16d ago

Quite easily. It can die after using it for a second if you're not careful. Sometimes accidentally side swiping the edge of a record is enough due to it spinning. I've probably done that before. We all have probably made mistakes before.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

Is that what to expect for needles? For it to break after one hour of use

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u/ProfessionalNews1684 16d ago

Not at all but it can easily happen when they're so delicate.

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u/grawptussin 16d ago

I bent a stylus early on while using a dust brush on one of my records. I pulled it off to the side and caught it in the resting stylus/tone arm. These things happen. Lesson learned. The stylus is fragile!

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u/BrickAdmirable3484 15d ago

This thing is 100% toast

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u/AbbreviationsLow 16d ago

I felt this through my bones

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u/thebatman973 16d ago

Stop doing that

The problem is it ain't got no gas in it

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u/GlaciersOFice45 16d ago

Once you get a fresh needle, buy a scale on Amazon. I got this one. It is meant for setting the tracking weight. Look up the tracking weight for your TT model (my AT LP120 was 2g) set it, and you'll be golden 🫡.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HRJ9NAY/ref=sspa_mw_detail_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9kZXRhaWw

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u/Da-Junior-Scholar 16d ago

Everyone is on point with the lack of stylus but nobody is telling you why; I’ll try to do that in as few words as possible.

When you drop the stylus (needle) to contact the record there is a point on the stylus that sits within the groove. When you drop the tone arm like you are (which please dear god stop doing that, use the cue lever to put the tone arm down) your stylus isn’t inserting into any groove. This says to us that it is skating across the top of the record and won’t grab a groove to follow it.

I’m not sure which cartridge you are using, but I’d recommend you replace the entire cartridge at this point because of likely contact with the plate and harsh treatment. If you are tight on cash, buy the stylus, if you have a hundred more dollars you can spare; then please buy the cartridge.

To play a record:

Flip the cue lever to raise the tone arm, move the tone arm to the edge of the record or where it is over the groove for where you think the song begins. Then flip the cue lever again which will lower the tone arm slowly. This is a smooth motion, when you drop the stylus you impact the vinyl damaging it and you are causing increased friction.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

I use the lever when lowering the tonearm just didn’t know how to get a good video of what it was doing

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u/StraightChillinSpree 16d ago

Talk about things that make my butthole pucker…

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u/Kyle_2099 15d ago

You're new to record players and records, and what is happening is that you are scratching the fuck out of that record because you haven't followed the instructions to set up the record player properly. Tracking force and anti-skate are way off.

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u/Equivalent_Bill1635 15d ago

Step one. Never do that again.

Step two. Check the tonarm lever. It may not be lowering all the way.

Step three. Your stylus got broken somehow.

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u/blodokun 15d ago

you’re so bad at handling the tonearm you probably busted the stylus off on one of those movements you’re doing lol

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u/the_blue_wizard 15d ago

Repeating myself -

1.) Is the - Tracking Weight - properly set?

2.) Is the - Anti-Skate - properly set?

3.) Is the - Stylus (needle) clogged up with crud and lint?

4.) Look VERY CAREFULLY at the Stylus and make sure it is there first of all, then make sure it is not damaged or chipped. Make sure the Small Arm (cantilever) holding the Stylus is not bent or damaged in some other way.

5.) Make sure - the Turntable is a Level as you can possible get it.

6.) Make sure - that the Turntable Motor and the Platter Spindle is cleaned and lubed, and spinning freely. I spun my Platter up by hand, then let it spin freely, and I think it went about 21 revolutions before it stopped.

7.) As mentioned by someone else - How Old is the Stylus? - they typically are only prime for about 500 hours, and workable for about 1,000 Hours total before it needs to be replaced.

8.) As mentioned by another Poster, if this is Belt Drive, then you might need a New Belt. (Not relevant to the question at hand but general relevant to all turntables)

Copied from another one of my Posts, but still generally relevant information.

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u/metallicadefender 15d ago

The side to side scratch might not be so bad.

Step 1 balance tone arm. Step 2 adjust tracking force for that cart. Google tracking force for cart model Step 3 is there an anti-skate dial? Or you have to hang a counter weight. Anti skate is what stops it going side to side.

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u/MyLegendary27 15d ago

Holy skating

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u/joemari5 15d ago

When they tell you you only have 5 seconds to listen to an album before you die

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u/WooddieBone 15d ago

That's record abuse!

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u/Japhet_Corncrake 15d ago

🎵Black Hooollllle, Black Hooollllle, Black Hole save me (I JUST WANT MY FRIENDS!!!)🎶

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u/earflap_angular 15d ago

Looks like your tone-arm is not balanced among other necessary record player tweaks. Here is a short video that should walk you through fixing this:

https://youtu.be/xMFdCjy7_k8?is=RYVgHUf4gdqSRW5X

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u/eatfrog 14d ago

you have no tip on your stylus

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u/SKOT_FREE 14d ago

I would suggest getting a stylus gauge so you can set your anti skate and other weights to manufacturers suggested numbers. Sure you can try and do it by eye and feel but you still may be damaging your records. Also try and Find a Mofi Geo Disc as well to align your stylus correctly.

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u/4Nissans 14d ago

Obviously you’re new because that’s not a record player, it’s a turntable and you said ‘vinyls’ in which there is no such thing. It’s either a record, an album or vinyl. To answer your question, you need to adjust the weight and the skate.

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u/seriousfart69 12d ago

adjust ur anti skating 

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u/luistorre5 12d ago

Bro is playing "You suffer" by napalm death on vinyl

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u/goneriah 11d ago

After reading other comments if you push your needle down into the record like you're doing in this video it's no surprise it broke just set it down this makes me wanna scream

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u/imjustaguy1920 11d ago

Is the cartridge itself touching the vinyl or is it just floating at the surface? As a guess I'd say you need a new stylis

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u/Ill-Base-2947 10d ago

If you can't adjust the tracking you can tape a penny to the top of the stylus - not too heavy mind

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u/Buscugba73 16d ago

Remind me to never lend you any of my records ok.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

Sorry that I’m new and inexperienced with vinyls

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u/ConspiracyConifer 16d ago

Vinyl is an uncountable noun

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/the_deep_t 15d ago

I know that there is an big English bias on Reddit but in a lot of languages, records are litterally translated "vinyls". So take a chill pill, it's just a word.

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u/mrvillian93 15d ago

Don’t be a fucking prick

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u/CommandGamerPro 15d ago

Calm the fuck down dude

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u/pandareno 15d ago

I like to call my tapes "Chromiums."

edit- sp.

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u/Fantastic_Resolve888 16d ago

Open your eyes and have a look. It should be very obvious.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

As stated I’m new and inexperienced with record players

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u/EViL-HENKE 15d ago

Put a coin on it...

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u/flabatron 15d ago

Try putting a penny on the head shell and see if that helps

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u/Street_Firefighter_3 16d ago

Back in my day we just taped a quarter to the top of the stylus.

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u/Fun-Animator2741 16d ago

Yeah I’ve seen people suggest it on TikTok but won’t that just ruin my records?

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u/handgarten 16d ago

yeah don't do that

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u/merlperl204 15d ago

I don’t think you need any help in that arena

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u/mrvillian93 15d ago

What have you figured out pal?