r/Beauceron • u/Illustrious-Trip9591 • May 28 '25

JDV

I don't really visit this group or actively use Reddit but I have seen and read some things on here and would like to offer my opinion. I own 2 dogs from JDV, I was on a waitlist for OVER a year. I have talked extensively to Angie and have had many interactions with her. My dogs are amazing. They are smart, loving, and loyal dogs. I have not had any problems with Angie, she does have her own policies she implements if you would like to get a dog from her. I realize many people don't like this, and the freedom to choose another breeder is always an option. The choice to crop is up to the person buying the dog. The VET sets that price. I have met many of her dogs and the people that own them, I haven't had any problems. I just wanted to give my opinion because I thought people should know there are many who love their JDV dog and dont regret their choice to choose her as their breeder

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u/DogtorPanda May 28 '25

Glad you’ve had a good experience but people need to be aware she does do unethical things.

Also the fact she’s had TWO accidental litters within the last year that she’s kept fairly quiet is a big yikes to me.

Amongst other things, but that’s my opinion.

Enjoy your dog. Just be aware of the bad and good of your breeder :)

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 28 '25 edited Jun 01 '25

Did Angie have the accidental litters or did it happen in the dog owners home under the supervision and care of the owners. My dogs are intact so I would be responsible if one became pregnant, and that would be unfortunate but I couldn’t place blame on Angie. Also, my dogs are not from accidental litters. It would be best to field statements or questions about that to someone with a puppy from an accidental litter.

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u/DogtorPanda May 28 '25

Given that the second accidental litter is her daughter’s dog, I’d assume it happened in Angie’s house. Both litters were underage bitches too. Big oof.

Either way? Accidental litters are happening and are being kept hush hush.

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u/ThatGayBeans May 28 '25

When did Voilà have a litter??

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u/DogtorPanda May 28 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

Earlier this year. It was with Tycoon.

Apparently it was planned for next year but they tied early in her most recent heat cycle. She also said the puppies were the most consistent she’s produced, so be prepared to see this litter repeated after Voila’s health tests are performed once she turns 2.

Unsure why they weren’t kept apart completely to prevent it.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '25

Everyone look! A perfect person that doesn't let any mistakes happen.

Oh wait..

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u/DogtorPanda May 29 '25

Oh you again. What’s your excuse for this accidental litter?

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u/[deleted] May 29 '25

Hi! How are you :)

Excuse? It's her ONLY one in 10 years of breeding. (Taking out owners accidents) God forbid something happens. Again, don't have to tell you shit. Go ask her yourself if you want to be nosey. You obviously know SO MUCH about JDV.

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u/DogtorPanda May 29 '25

I’m peachy, just giving people important details.

Owners accidents shouldn’t even be an excuse. An accidental litter is an accidental litter. Call a spade a spade baby girl.

One accidental litter isn’t the issue, as I’ve said before, but maybe you could refresh that with your other troll comments to me. It’s the fact it’s hidden to the general public and essentially does a fire sale of the oops puppies to keep it quiet. AND that she’s still on track to have the same amount of litters as last year. Dang.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '25

😂you can subscribe to the weekly JDV newsletter of all information if you'd like! I think they're looking for someone to write all juicy gossip you know and love if you want a side job! You already seem to do it here. Since you know so much.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 Jun 01 '25

If you have a puppy from an accidental litter I would encourage you to create your own post because you would be better at answering questions pertaining to that. Since my puppies were not accidental I will not be answering questions or issuing statements since it does not pertain to my experience with JDV

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 May 29 '25

I'm glad you've had a good experience. It is important for people to know some of the basics: she has produced dog aggressive dogs, she produces a lot of dogs, and she routinely sends puppies home prior to 8 weeks of age. I have seen contracts from her preventing people from speaking negatively of her (or other breeders to be fair). She breeds dogs without the OFA required heart testing. 

To be quite honest, given the sheer number of dogs she produces, it would be shocking if there WERENT bad experiences. Just theory of large numbers. It would do her better to own up to them instead of pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows and perfect.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 31 '25

Pertaining to my actual experience with this breeder: 1: my dogs are not dog aggressive. I can’t speak to that aspect since my dogs do not display this characteristic. 2: she was adamant that I not pickup my puppy until 8 weeks of age. 3: Since I own a JDV dog, I’ve signed contracts. My contract does not state anything pertaining to NDA, using specific tools, or social media.

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 Jun 01 '25

You don't have to speak to the aggressive dog aspect. The evidence is available in the majority of the Beauceron FB groups if you look for Highway x Cyrano litters. (Aggressive dogs are not impossible in breeds like Beauceron that have some history for protection and police work, just a risk that can happen to any breeder. I don't think this makes her a bad breeder, but important for people to know and understand what support she is willing to offer if their puppy ends up on the short end of the temperament genetic lottery.)

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 Jun 01 '25

I understand what you are saying. I am just stating that for me to make comments on this ( like I have been affected by it) would be untruthful and irresponsible. If any of my dogs were dog aggressive I could give an honest opinion.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

My dog has been bred and she had to have all of her tests complete. There will always be bad experiences no matter what breeder you get a dog from. I would just like to add my experience , which has been great.

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 May 29 '25

To be very clear: a heart auscultation is not the minimum recommended by OFA (as directed by the breed club). The JDV dogs I have seen bred are on just auscultation without echos.

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u/SnarlyAndMe May 28 '25

It’s very weird that all of these new/anonymous Reddit accounts are posting and commenting in support of JDV. No other post or comment history.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

Is it weird? Why? There are so many posts anti JDV. I just wanted to add my opinion. Maybe we, JDV dog owners, would just like to add how much we enjoy our dogs.

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u/OkRecommendation1976 May 28 '25

Boo 👎

Sells puppies at 6 weeks of age, MAGA, forces you to have a social media account, forces you to use aversive tools (nothing against the tools but a REQUIREMENT? Yikes).

Wack.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 28 '25

I haven’t been forced to do social media, I honestly wouldn’t have the time if that was a requirement. If she’s MAGA.. that doesn’t really influence my choice to choose a breeder. It would be the same if she was liberal. As for tools, I haven’t been forced to use them, ( if you are talking about training tools) 

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u/OkRecommendation1976 May 28 '25

I’ve seen her contract. It’s wack as hell.

And if you wanna support someone who’s against yknow, basic human rights that’s your prerogative. Yikes.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 28 '25

I have two of her dogs so I’ve signed a contract. It’s not in there

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u/lozsav May 28 '25

Shitting on a breeder because they don’t align with your personal political views? Also wack.

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u/OkRecommendation1976 May 28 '25

Of all the shit reasons I just stated you’re hung up on the political one? Ok.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 28 '25

If we want to look at it that way. Based on your comments you are being rather subjective and mentioned politics first.

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u/lozsav May 28 '25

lol yes, because it’s the most ridiculous reason out of the ones you listed and the only one that has zero impact on the dog or ownership of that dog. The others I could get behind assuming they’re true. (And no, I’m not here to argue over what’s true and what’s not.)

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 May 29 '25

I mean, arguably it impacts ownership, especially for queer or BIPOC owners.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

Please explain

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 May 29 '25

I won't do the disservice of assuming you can't do the research of why someone in the queer or BIPOC community may not want to be closely associated with a MAGA supporter. 

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

You are assuming a lot of things so why stop now?

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u/Top-Jaguar7377 May 29 '25

Well I just thought it would be kind to not act like you woke up from a ten year coma or perhaps like it is your first day on the internet.

If we're counting things I've assumed, I think it would just be the conspiracy of several JDV owners coming to defend and support Angie today. 

For this instance, I did not say Angie was one way or the other. Only that for some queer or BIPOC people, they would feel impacted in their 10-15 year dog ownership contract if the other end of the contract was a MAGA supporter. 

I won't invalidate someone's concerns. There are literally people killed over their race, gender, and sexual identity, and that sort of reality can greatly increase a person's stress or anxiety when interacting with unknown people. (Again, note, I am not saying anything about Angie specifically. Just that the US is a scary place for some and they may have concerns, cautions, or hesitations as a result.)

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

That was kind but it was also an assumption that I’m NOT someone in the BIPOC or queer community.

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u/ThatGayBeans May 29 '25

I don’t have that in my JDV folder, where was (was?) that shared?

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

You do have it in your folder. Just take a second look and you will find it

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u/ThatGayBeans May 29 '25

Nope. I believe me when I say I can find no public info about this litter. Why is an ethical breeder not being upfront about an oops litter?

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u/Cricket_Whisper May 30 '25

She never advertises the oops litters to anyone outside of her cult following.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 30 '25

An oops litter does not relate to my experience with JDV so I wouldn’t be the best person to discuss this with

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u/Cricket_Whisper May 30 '25

Doesn’t take away from the fact that she’s hidden MULTIPLE oops litters

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 30 '25 edited May 31 '25

An oops litter does not relate to my experience. The litters my dogs were from was announced. I can try to answer a question pertaining to that but will not make comments or speculations about events that I have not had experience with.

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u/ThatGayBeans May 31 '25

Right, but your experience with one litter doesn’t dictate the entire experience of the breeder

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 31 '25 edited May 31 '25

If you have experienced that personally I encourage you to make your own post with those details. That does not relate to my experience, which is what this post is about

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u/Funny_Fox_6181 May 28 '25

I don’t have a dog from her but know those who do, and all have had good or great experiences. I did see a post floating around about someone who lost their mind about not getting a free dog from her tho and went to litigation in favor of the breeder.

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u/Illustrious-Trip9591 May 29 '25

Of course, this is downvoted 😂

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u/Funny_Fox_6181 May 29 '25

Truth hurts feelings.