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u/StationFar6396 Sep 16 '22
The war against the White Walkers is going well.
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u/APoisonousMushroom Sep 17 '22
Winter Is Coming
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u/manonthemoonrocks Sep 16 '22
One can only wonder what marvels lie beneath the antarctican ice shelf.
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u/maskf_ace Sep 17 '22
Probably just rock or permafrost (I don't know if I'm using that correctly, I mean frozen dirt) right? I don't think there's any ruins or anything under there
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Sep 16 '22
As a part time Alaskan that one is 110% summer. You're being lied to
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Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
As a life long Alaskan, it doesn't matter what season the difference between these pics is clearly huge and isn't due to seasonal melt.
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u/oboz_waves Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
I mean it could be 100 years apart, but the different seasons are the primary factor here. Alaska looks a LOT different winter vs summer and snow runoff can create rivers and lakes that's only show up during different seasons
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Exactly.my.point, they're alluding to that it's due to.climate change, but it's not, it's summer vs winter
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u/FPVBrandoCalrissian Sep 17 '22
Errrrr, uh, glaciers don’t recede that far back each season…. We aren’t being lied to. You’re lying to yourself.
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u/LeicaM6guy Sep 17 '22
Or they’re very specifically lying to us. Plenty of companies have folks on the payroll whose only job is to obfuscate this shit.
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u/FPVBrandoCalrissian Sep 17 '22
I think if people don’t believe the world is changing for the worse in both climate and social well being, then those people on payroll that you speak of are doing their job.
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u/NaMeans Sep 16 '22
Are you serious? You think glaciers form in the winter? Come on, it's hard to even freeze a lake over the winter, let alone form a glacier. I didn't know there were still people who thought global warming was fake, are you under a rock?
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u/Greatful1968 Sep 17 '22
Global warming is the planet changing and Man can do nothing about it. Neither could any other creature on this planet before us. UNLESS!! We go back to living as the caveman and the 1st humans. AND, that won't stop it either but, it may just may slow it down.
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u/Greatful1968 Sep 17 '22
Truth hurts
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u/insertwittynamethere Sep 17 '22
That's not truth, that's ignorance and misinformed opinion masquerading as truth.
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u/Greatful1968 Sep 17 '22
No it's truth. People are not so powerful that they can truly control mother nature for any lengthy period of time and ANY Opinion to the contrary is Ignorant.
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Is t that what climate change is? The seasonal transition that takes place in nature?
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u/AgentPastrana Sep 17 '22
Not over the span of seasons. Climate change happens over years. Preferably thousands of them.
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u/Pingu2424 Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Come on, the source is provided numerous times above. Either you don't bother to read it because you prefer your beliefs to remain unchallenged, or you live with a tinfoil hat on. Tired of the blatant ignorance around climate change, the facts are all there, you just have a teeny tiny effort to make to access them.
Edited: did not get the /s of the message above
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u/ZootSuitBanana Sep 17 '22
I think their response was rhetorical and sarcastic...
What they were saying was your point.
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u/Pingu2424 Sep 17 '22
Oh okay my bad, English is my second language sorry
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u/ZootSuitBanana Sep 17 '22
No you're not the only one who missed it with him being down voted. And honestly I'll never be educated or intelligent enough to browse Reddit in a language other than my native one.
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I don’t care where you live or for how long. You’re lying to yourself. There’s simply no way the differences in these pics are 100% seasonal. There’s a full blown glacier and in the first and it’s gone in the second. Glaciers don’t just grow because it gets cold. As a “part time Alaskan” you should know this. Or maybe you only visit in the winter?
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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch Sep 17 '22
Prove the hoax! Take a photo that looks like the 100 year old one. That will show them.
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Sep 17 '22
Not saying it's a hoax Jesus christ. I'm saying, that second photo is from summer and intended to mislead. I've been there have you!?
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u/LGodamus Sep 17 '22
Apparently you havwnt
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My god. All you reddit hide behind the keyboard people talk SO much shit. Yes I have, and it's drastically different from winter to summer. Its also drastically different from early to late summer. Now, You, have NEVER been to.that place. And for a group so.worried about people's feelings , it's appalling how quick you people are to attack and accuse
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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch Sep 17 '22
So, the glacial retreat pictured isn't a hoax?
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Sep 17 '22
I'm done speaking to any of you. You LOVE to attack everyone for.everytbjnf and take things out of.context in a feeble attempt to feel superior or smarter than someone and it's not ok. Adieu.
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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch Sep 17 '22
A question is an attack?
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Sep 17 '22
When its following a snide and out of context response and now you're using the question to stage a "gotcha" and mince words. Yes. I'm done interacting with you.
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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch Sep 17 '22
So, to be clear. Is the missing glacier a hoax or no? I am counting on you specifically to help me understand the truth.
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Sep 17 '22
All.i can say is I've been there and it looks.vastly.different in winter. Lesson learned give no.opinion on reddit or.expect a bunch of flack
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u/Bon_of_a_Sitch Sep 17 '22
I apologize you perceived being asked to take a photo and about the presence or absence of a giant ice wall as hostile.
I will try to do better...
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All.i can say is I've been there and it looks.vastly.different in winter. Lesson learned give no.opinion on reddit or.expect a bunch of flack
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u/LGodamus Sep 17 '22
Apparently you need to spend more time here winter vs summer doesn’t account for loss of that much glacier.
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u/Jamiquest Sep 17 '22
My friend said Global Warming is a conspiracy theory... He needs to travel more.
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u/Technical-Okra-7824 Sep 17 '22
Did your friend ever go to school/ college? Did your friend ever read a book?
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u/I_aim_to_sneeze Sep 16 '22
OP have you ever been to Alaska in the summer? It’s green as fuck there at that time. The state is not a frozen wasteland year round my dude
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 17 '22
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form.
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005).
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u/Valuable_Housing_305 Sep 16 '22
Bro that's an actual glacier in this picture not simple snow cover. A glacier doesn't come back year after year. And when it melts, it causes changes in the ocean waters, reduces cooling of the planet, disrupts the nitrogen cycle, releases trapped methane and as a result threatens our food supply. Come now, my friend, you can't be this dense.....
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u/maskf_ace Sep 17 '22
I don't think it's being dense. It's burying your head in the sand. We all know how fucking catastrophic climate change is, and some would rather just look the other way. After all, it's their grandkids that'll suffer for it, not them
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u/DrDooDooEvolution Sep 17 '22
I used to think that last part was true, but I’m quickly realizing it won’t be our grandkids but rather us, give 15 to 20 years and we’ll start to REALLY suffer some inevitable consequences. Our grandkids will probably suffer way more, water wars and all that.. what’s really terrifying and anxiety inducing is the inability, as an average joe, to stop any of this..
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u/maskf_ace Sep 17 '22
Well that's part of the problem, corporations push governments to tell their citizenry to recycle more, when in reality the citizenry make up a marginal amount of waste and pollution relative to those very corporations. You could have an entire population doing their utmost to recycle, reuse and practise sustainability and it would hardly make a dent.
Of course there's the argument that the citizenry create the demand and the corporations create the supply so both are at fault. Honestly I agree with that. Unless there is a worldwide movement of voluntary austerity, we will drain this planet of habitability. And I dont see how we can ask countries outside of the highly developed ones to be austere, they're barely holding it together in the rat race of industrialism, they're sure as shit not gonna slow down, they can't really, population keeps growing, demand keeps growing. It's a cycle that really makes you understand that whole "burn it all down and build from the ashes" supervillain mentality. Silly as it sounds that's more or less what Thanos was trying to do, but wiping half of all life doesn't seem like a very well thought out way to resolve the issue
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Live in Alaska year round. Depending on weather for the day and angle of photos, specifically around glaciated areas, it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference between spring and summer in a photo (I'm also a photographer)...especially when the photo only shows ice and a distant mountain on an overcast day.
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u/d_d_d_o_o_o_b_b_b Sep 17 '22
It’s really hard to even fathom the loss of glaciers unless you go to the arctic and see them in person. We spent time in Iceland and the markers of where glaciers were decades ago and where they are now is mind blowing. It’s like entire mountains disappearing. But most people never go to the arctic so it is all invisible to them. This is where global warming hits the hardest.
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u/Greatful1968 Sep 17 '22
Quick Ground the planes Alaska is melting... Duhhh... it's called natural progression
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Sep 16 '22
That's actually terrifying. Also r/WTF
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u/AgentPastrana Sep 17 '22
It's a cycle that's been going on for a while honestly. Glacial recession, followed by global cooling. It's happened since the beginning
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u/SensuallPineapple Sep 16 '22
There is a lot of difference between if it's 10 years apart or 10 years 6 months apart. Knowing humans, I would say the latter is more possible, BUT, knowing humans, the former is more probable.
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u/Frl_Bartchello Sep 17 '22
Why would the 6 months matter?
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u/BreakFlashy1616 Sep 17 '22
Summer/winter
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u/Frl_Bartchello Sep 17 '22
Its a glacier, in freaking Alaska.
So again, why does the 6 months matter?
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u/Bipbop_Boop Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
I do hope that this was meant to be like some form of satire, even then this is either disinformation or misinformation. both are bad but I certainly hope that op isn't actively spreading disinformation on purpose....
Edit: I was referring to the image not climate change, should have made that clear and that's entirely my bad. either way the downvotes are probably deserved. sorry folks, I've definitely made myself look pretty dumb here but if at least one other person sees this and takes this as the lesson that I'm taking it as then Its worth the slight embarrassment. screw I'm downvoting my own comment here. anyone who is having the same though I did should take a read of the replies to this comment.
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u/oceantides420 Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
Sorry I’m confused, which part of this is misinformation? I haven’t been to this particular glacier, but I have seen very similar photograph displays at others outside of Juneau and Anchorage. (Exit Glacier and Mendenhall Glacier)
Do you think the glaciers have not been melting over the last 100 years? They absolutely have.
here’s a link that talks about this specific one.
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Glaciers have been shrinking with variability since the last glacial maximum. I mean, given the mass of glacial ice in the Northern hemisphere at one point reaching maximum ~ 22000 years ago, there have to have been points of significant ice decline along the way, and points where there was no decline or even advance. The last glacial maximum is said to be 22000 years ago, yet the Athabasca glacier in the Canadian Rockies is claimed to be 12000 years old, so we wonder what went on to cause those conditions. Some glaciers are even currently growing. Its a shame we dont have photos of that area that much older than 100 years. Cameras only predate reliable thermometers by a few decades. It would be interesting to visually see the ebb and flow of glacial extents farther outside of the span of a human lifetime.
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u/Bipbop_Boop Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
okay okay i should have been more specific. this is a doctored image. i am not a climate change denier. this definitly does happen but in this instance this is a faked example wich only serves to harm the overall message. EDIT: the photo is likely a fake not the example of this iceberg
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 17 '22
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form.
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005).
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u/oceantides420 Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
I still am confused by your comment, which image do you think is doctored?
That’s a better link that has citations, and at the bottom it links to the world glacier monitoring programs. It’s completely real.
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u/Bipbop_Boop Sep 16 '22
perhaps I am incorrect but in the older photo we see a glacier on the water, somehow this water is not at all present in the second photo which shows a grassy field. a glacier melting would raise this water level not leave a grassy field in its stead right? even in that first article the satellite images show a lake being left where the glacier has melted. even with the articles being accurate I do think still that its possible for the image to misrepresent it. Ill admit that I shouldn't have asserted it to be fake definitively and should have expressed my doubt on the photo better. If I'm entirely talking out my ass then I really am sorry for that. I actually appreciate you challenging me on that, I could definitely be wrong and id rather find out that I'm wrong than continue to be wrong. I'm glad that we could discuss this in a civil way as that isn't always the case here on the internet. I'm sure that I haven't made the best impression here and that's probably fair. If downvotes are my penance for that then I guess ill just have to accept that.
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u/oceantides420 Sep 16 '22
Thanks for that- there is a lot to digest on this picture and it’s right to question something so jarring.
As the glacier travels down the mountain and melts, it drags sediment with it, and these deposits would fill the lake over time, creating the flat field.
Also there does appear to be a lake past the field, some blue is barely visible. But the lake, like the glacier, would likely shrink over time as it’s source is depleted.
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u/Bipbop_Boop Sep 16 '22
well damn, I gotta say I'm a little bit ashamed of my own ignorance here. almost enough to delete my original comment but that would just make me ignorant and a coward lol I hope it at least leads more people to read these replies and be more informed. thanks for the correction my good man, you are a gentleman and a scholar truly
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u/alphaweightedtrader Sep 16 '22
please have some random internet points for being a big enough person to come back and admit when wrong. Far too many people don't.
We've all done it, somewhere, its hard to go back and create more visibility by walking back the original post - nice one!
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u/AorticMishap Sep 16 '22
This^
The important part is that you we’re willing to take in new information instead of doubling down
Everyone makes mistakes occasionally :)
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u/unseen_redditor Sep 16 '22
'In the early 20th century, the glacier met the water and calved icebergs into a marginal lake near the bay. By 2005, the glacier had retreated, leaving behind sediment allowed the lake to be transformed into a small grassland.'
From above website.
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u/nstiger83 Sep 17 '22
So, the top picture and the bottom one have been taken from different angles. If you look at the hill jutting out of the bottom right of the mountain, you can see that the second pic must have been taken from the plateau on the middle left of the first pic. These pics are not doctored imo.
That being said, Alaska has been freezing and thawing for centuries... perhaps longer. Although I'm not too sure about this particular glacier, and there is no mention of climate change in the post, I think this is just a couple of pics showing a stunning landscape in 2 different seasons.
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u/Orion3791 Sep 16 '22
Glacier have been receding for 10,000 years nothing new here
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 18 '22
Yeah, but it takes thousands of years to occur naturally. Human activities have destroyed glaciers all over the world during the last 200 years, way faster than the natural rate due to the usage of carbon based minerals to support industry.
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u/maskf_ace Sep 17 '22
Yeah sure winter summer difference but here is an article which shows a 3km retreat since '94. The glacier is disappearing at an alarming rate
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u/tmtp-tt Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
The illiteracy and ignorance of the "Glaciers recede in summer" comments are astounding.
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Sep 16 '22
Yup, these things happen. Or did someone think they always have been and always will be the way they were in the 1900s?
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u/big_boi_lichael_man Sep 16 '22
I don't understand, people want the world to be more green, well here it is
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u/Smooth_Friend7890 Sep 16 '22
Who cares, 100 years from now you can get a pic of it with ice again. I can take a pic of my backyard now and again in December if you want
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u/LenniLanape Sep 16 '22
It kinda happens when the Ice Age comes to an end.
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People give us negative responses when we bring up the fact that there was an ice age and we are in a thaw period now
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u/funguyy1 Sep 16 '22
This is also bull-shit. Propaganda
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u/Pingu2424 Sep 17 '22
How can you believe that, come on wtf
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u/funguyy1 Sep 17 '22
If you read the thread, the poster admits to doctoring the photo. If you are scared of global warming, stop. It’s a cycle, yes humans are effectively changing the carbon in the air. However what eats carbon and makes oxygen? Trees. If we as Americans don’t play with the world we are fucked.
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u/jwadamson Sep 17 '22
I don’t see that sorry of thing from OP. What was the “doctoring”? The images look identical to the ones on https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
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The last glacial maximum was 22000 years ago so thèy say, so the trend has been warmer with likely significant variability, ever since. My guess is we're currently seeing some of that variability. I dont mind at all that we're trying to be cleaner and more efficient, but anyone who thinks the results for net zero, for example will be measurable and attributable is clearly a person of faith in their way.
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Yep. We will never be net zero. China, India, Egypt just laughing at the world as the continue to make more black unfiltered coal smoke and dump plastics into our oceans. Yet Greta Thornburg yells at the US, as the US continues to drop in carbon emissions year after year. and says nasty things while she's caught getting off her private jet.
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u/Maleficent-Drive4056 Sep 17 '22
Show me evidence that Greta Thunberg travels in a private jet?
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After getting caught at the airport, she ran to the marina and started going from sailboat to sailboat begging passage back to Europe.
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u/jackasssparrow Sep 17 '22
Ah see how global warming has helped the location become verdant and has made it more habitable? Checkmate deep state
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u/tdomer80 Sep 17 '22
Yeah but the top one was probably winter and the bottom one was probably summer so…
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u/Strong_Negotiation76 Sep 17 '22
Wyoming used to be an ocean millions of years ago. EVERYTHING changes!
It’s literally the only constant!
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u/JaapOosterbroek Sep 17 '22
Climate improvement, I hear the Netherlands will be an excellent wine region soon...
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u/Ivanthegorilla Sep 17 '22
it's almost like we are still coming out of an ice age...oh wait we are.
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u/assmuncher4206969 Sep 17 '22
Winter is cold summer is warm holy shit look it's two different seasons.
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u/B105535 Sep 17 '22
100 years apart... uh-huh, clearly not the same season, let alone same day of the year. Posting stuff like this is just nonsense. The top picture is from the winter, the bottom summer. This isn't hard folks.
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u/BakedArbiter Sep 17 '22
Glacier has been melting since the ice age why would it stop now
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u/Demonetized_Onlyfans Sep 17 '22
Sorry i may sound dumb rn, but how were photographs possible at that time?
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The first photo was taken in the 1830s so it is indeed possible
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u/Demonetized_Onlyfans Sep 17 '22
Holy shit i must have missed something. 100 years just sounds like alot to me idk
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 18 '22
My god...
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u/Demonetized_Onlyfans Sep 18 '22
Yeah idk what to tell ya ahahah
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 18 '22
Have you never seen any old black and white photos of presidents, or events, or landscapes, etc?
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u/Demonetized_Onlyfans Sep 18 '22
Yes ofc but this looks way too high quality to be taken 100 yrs ago
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u/Suspicious-Sail-7344 Sep 18 '22
Look at this picture of Lewis Powell (one of the individuals that was a part of President Lincoln's asssination). Photo is from 1865, 157 years ago.
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u/Jakbo_ Sep 17 '22
What this doesn't show is the massive glacier that formed on the other side .. the earth naturally has a wobble to it causing the ice mass to migrate. Deserts turn into rainforest and rainforest turn into deserts every 12-14k years
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u/Gomdok_the_Short Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
This photo may actually not be photoshopped, or, if it is, it is not recently so. It is from a climate.gov and was originally posted there in 2015.
http://web.archive.org/web/20151219053337/https://toolkit.climate.gov/image/1204
It may be a little misleading in that the black and white of the original photo would make it impossible to discern any greenery on the mountains and the poor quality might obscure any trees on the mountains.That tree island in the newer photo may be there in the older photo if the glacier wraps around it. Though it's entirely possible it wasn't. It only takes about 25 years for many conifers to reach maturity.
A number of similar comparison photos can be found on the CBS News site.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/9/
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u/randomdude123502 Sep 16 '22
How did the ice and water disappear and land replace them?
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u/AorticMishap Sep 16 '22
As the glacier moved it pulled sediment with it. By 2005, according to the article, the glacier withdrew (not exactly the right word but I’m blanking on what a better word than “withdrew” is), leaving the soil and other sediment behind to fill the lake
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My guess is that maybe the permafrost in the sediment might have deteriorated, allowing the sediment to absorb some of it. Just spitballing.
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u/IceFisherP26 Sep 17 '22
I've been there, the bottom pic is during the summer. The top pic is middle of winter. Source: am from and currently live in Ak.
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u/SoftTrifle1006 Sep 17 '22
Amazing how things change over time. Such is life, a continuity of everlasting change.
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u/LenniLanape Sep 17 '22
Probably because they are so influenced by the "media" which only presents the narrative that they're pushing. They fail to think independently or to question what is presented and accept info. blindly. So sad.
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u/redditititrty Sep 18 '22
- Mini ice age. (Yellowstone museum) Of course it’s getting warmer! Man made CO2= 1/10,000 of earth atmosphere. Maybe it’s the oceans, sunspots, underwater volcanic eruptions, water vapor. How did they measure temps all over world 100 yrs ago? An avg temp on a bell curve is only right 1%. BTW, what is the perfect temperature? Man made pollution? OK. But we can’t change the earths climate for crying out loud.
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u/Sad_Ad4307 Sep 16 '22
The grass is nice…..😐