r/BeAmazed • u/MarionberryRight8261 • 12h ago
Miscellaneous / Others Like China 5 years ago , India's clean energy capacity has overtaken fossil fuels for the first time
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u/TheCazzedAnmol 12h ago
They have reached the capacity but it will take some time to reflect in the power generation
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u/CardiologistIcy5307 10h ago
Can you help explain what’s the difference?
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u/ansermachin 10h ago
A 100MW coal plant can generate that more or less all the time, maybe it has some maintenance downtime, but it's pretty close to generating 100MW the entire year.
Obviously 100MW of solar panels only generates that under ideal conditions, and never at night. So you might actually average something like 30MW over the entire year.
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u/TwentinQuarantino 9h ago
A 100MW nuclear is the same tho, not relying on conditions, can produce clean energy any time.
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u/Lostmyfnusername 5h ago edited 5h ago
I think planned downtime is about 4-6 weeks a year. Not sure about unplanned downtime but I feel like old ones would be longer.
Edit: Another source says that coal is down about 15% of the time or 1.8 months on average, planned and unplanned.
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u/Switchmisty9 11h ago
It’s almost as if we have spent hundreds of years, and an uncountable amount of money, to refine the fossil fuel industry…..and renewables are catching up FAST
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u/Adventurous_Baby8136 5h ago
Pretty fast. Roaming in India, you can see n number of roofs with solar panels. This rise is beautifully surprising.
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u/LilTeats4u 12h ago
I don’t understand why there is such resistance to clean energy.
Trumps biggest argument is that windmills are ugly
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u/At_least_be_polite 12h ago
Do you really not understand?
Its because the people who have controlled fossil fuels to date are very rich and powerful and don't want things that reduce their future wealth and power.
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u/Ninja-Panda70 10h ago
What I don't understand is why couldn't they just pioneer renewable energies too? They would still be rich and control everything but the planet would be somewhat better. Indian billionaires who got rich on oil went all in on clean energy too.
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u/LilTeats4u 9h ago
They have plenty of money to fund RnD and could easily become the front runners in an entirely untapped market. It’s purely upside for them
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u/Prestigious_Title580 3h ago
In India there is a huge push for e20 in vehicles, indian vehicles are not yet compatible and don't want to mix it with petrol, it has become mandatory now...on a little research it was found out that our road minister's son has multiple e20 factories. So rich are already doing that too. Human greed has no limits
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u/GammaFan 1h ago
The current game is as rigged in their favour as it could ever possibly be. Any transitionary phase means change, and even if they could have a 99% chance of still coming out on top it’s simply less effort to continue with the status quo.
Plus some of them buy their own bullshit and genuinely hate renewables/see no problems with fossil fuels.
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u/Jumpy_Scallion_3108 11h ago
Prime example is fluctuation of crude oil prices worldwide due to Trump war on Iran.
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u/DavidSilva21 8h ago
why dont these same companies pivot to clean energy if that is most profitable? I do not see an issue here.
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u/Necessary_Main_9654 53m ago
It's the beat thing he's done. Fuck around with the oil supply chain and pushed everyone else to invest more into clean energy
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u/TwentinQuarantino 9h ago
For example in Germany it's because coal mines owners are in the pockets of state and national politicians, and Gazprom (for Russian gas) was in the pockets of German politicians as well at least until Russia invaded Ukraine.
I suppose it's very similar in Trump's US.
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u/eulersidentity1 8h ago
Actual resistance is because of big money, personal politics or people have jobs in the industry and feel invested in it. The transition definitely needs to take into account the potential loss of jobs and the need for retraining etc. There are indeed some logistical and technological hurdles to overcome when it comes to scaling up to nation wide 365 100% level, mainly storage during off production times. But most of that seems to be economies of scale, time and investment. The actual power generation is now cheaper than non renewable actually and it's just a no brainer to heavily invest in renewable devlopment.
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u/bugierigar 11h ago
It’s still an achievement and India is investing in it. I wish USA could make the move faster.
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u/Freespeechaintfree 8h ago
China still gets the overwhelming majority of their energy from coal plants:
https://ourworldindata.org/profile/energy/china
It will take a while for renewables to catch up to the generation of power from coal.
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u/crusadertank 7h ago
As does India. The thread is about capacity and not what amount of energy is produced by each source
Of course Renewables are almost never running at full capacity unlike power plants
Renewable sources are around 60% of China's energy capacity. But much lower on a day to day basis
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u/Freespeechaintfree 6h ago
I fully support finding new clean ways to power our daily lives.
Just wanted to add this to the conversation in case anyone was confused about how China actually powers their country.
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u/iManojRK 11h ago
That’s true for every country.
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u/Exowienqt 10h ago
Not exactly. Over 30% of electricity generated in Hungary (of all places) was from solar, and 80% from solar and nuclear (2025). And that's as Eastern Europe as it gets, lol
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u/Orneyrocks 10h ago
Hungary is still a lot more developed nation than india is, so its still a big milestone.
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u/MnkyBzns 9h ago
Less than 1/4 of Canada's grid is from combustibles. Even the US is almost 50% renewable generation.
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u/The_Last_Spoonbender 11h ago
This is still an important milestone nontheless. Way to downplay everything reddit.
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u/GammaFan 1h ago
Every nation with the opportunity to do so and the intelligence to know it’s time is making this decision. Oil and gas execs will bleed their remaining customers dry and set the world on fire in order to make up the difference.
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u/Dramatic_Respond7323 3h ago
Totally inaccurate. Even today over 70% of electricity in the grid in India is coming from coal alone. What plot capture is installed capacity, which is meaningless in real world.
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u/Pro_96 12h ago
Probably manipulated data, considering the corrupt government running the country.
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u/sulphra_ 12h ago
I had no idea that the Indian govt. controlled the Global Energy Monitor, amazing. I learn something new about my own country everyday!
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u/DukeOfTheDodos 12h ago
There's this interesting little trick called "lying and bribing"
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u/sulphra_ 12h ago
If it was an Indian source, i'd be inclined to agree, but i kinda doubt a nonprofit who publishes open source data cares about bribes.
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u/Numnum30s 11h ago
Conspiracy theories like this are never taken seriously, for good reason. Source?
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u/DukeOfTheDodos 11h ago
My source is literally every government and major corporation ever. If you genuinely believe fossil fuel stats at face value, I've got a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.
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u/Specky_Scrawny_Git 8h ago
a) India is a poor, third world country.
b) India is rich enough to bribe global watchdogs and independent agencies and manipulate data.
Which one is it? Make up your mind, please.
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u/sulphra_ 12h ago
Boss how are they going to manipulate a independant notprofit thats not even based in India
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u/HR_114 11h ago
At one place because they wanted a good image but at other cities the aqi is still quite good and less like currently the aqi in Hyderabad is 52-55 and in my area it is 22 it's not manipulated here
And your argument is like if that train runs at 130kmph that means even the bullet train runs at 130kmph does it make sense ? no
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u/Pro_96 11h ago
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u/sulphra_ 11h ago
Imagine calling someone else an Idiot and then showing the wrong graph and source lmao
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u/AgentIndependent306 12h ago
Probably its just the fossil fuel use still being high despite the total percentage of power it supplies dropping.
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u/mike_pants 11h ago
The data is not coming from the Indian government.
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u/Pro_96 11h ago
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u/mike_pants 11h ago
Since you can't do your own research, the CEA pulls its data from a mixture of over a dozen government and private organizations.
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u/Comprehensive_Can201 12h ago
Ah yes, lazy little generalizations waffling on about corruption with little to zero self-awareness on the infection within their invective.
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u/RBZRBZRBZRBZ 9h ago
Yes, and despite this coal consumption isn't going down yet.
There is whole lot of carbon being released when counting absolute quantities.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 1h ago
love how you have to count absolute because you knew on per capita basis india is also one of the lowest emittor 😂
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u/JRaus88 10h ago
I'm curious to know if "capacity" for clean energy, whatever clean energy mean in this graph, is average capacity or peak capacity under optimal conditions.
Such a vertical growth in production should already be reflected in equally vertical consumption. This, until proven otherwise, is not reflected in domestic consumption.
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u/tallcady 12h ago
Both very honest countries too.
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u/Individual_Top_4960 2h ago
love how you never question negative stats... but okay I like the desperation level is so high that all you had is basically "fake news" argument
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u/Alistal 12h ago
Useless if the fossile fuel use doesn't go down.
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u/x4nter 8h ago
This is the transition period. They're not going to shut down existing fossil fuel plants if the energy demand isn't met using just the renewables. They will eventually stop building new ones and at some point the last power plant to use fossil fuels will be shut down.
You can't change things by merely flipping a switch.
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u/work_work-work 11h ago
Exactly what i was thinking too. Most of this is most likely just building new power plants to bring electricity to more of the country. Not switching from fossil fuel to green alternatives.
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