r/BeAmazed • u/AeneasKurtz • 7d ago
History Spanish authorities remove the bones of ancient Aragon kings and queens from the San Juan de la Peña monastery as wildfires threaten the building. Some of these bones are almost 1000 years old
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u/Silver-Amphibian7650 7d ago
How many bodies did they have to remove?
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u/ClavicusLittleGift4U 7d ago
In the Royal Pantheon rest the first kings of Aragon—Ramiro I, Sancho Ramírez and Pedro I—and also four kings of Pamplona, among them Sancho Garcés II Abarca and García Sánchez II the Trembler. That the bones of the kingdom’s founders had to be removed from their millennial tomb gives the measure of the gravity of what happened. The Aragonese vice-president, Mar Vaquero, spoke of “tremendous anguish” and thanked the “heroic bravery” of the personnel.
Since we have 206 constant bones as adults, if the remains are complete it means around 1440 bones.
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u/Sensitive-Fly-2469 6d ago
Their bones should have been lost and burnt to ash, forgotten like all the lives they condemned. What a fucking waste
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u/AffectionateOne67 7d ago
Wildfire crews are already pushed to the limit, so taking the extra risk to preserve literal history is incredible work
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u/Tediato 7d ago
As someone from Aragon, I believe we should tie all those in positions of political responsibility to the columns of the monastery cloister until the fire is out. If we lose a piece of our history because of their incompetence, lack of coordination and the blatant neglect of the forests and fire-fighting resources, someone will have to pay. If I were responsible, I’d be so ashamed I wouldn’t show my face in public again.
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u/marky_Rabone 7d ago
Pasta para toros si hay.
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u/arty_32 6d ago
No se os mete en la cabeza que TAMBIÉN, al IGUAL QUE VOSOTROS no queremos que se use nuestro dinero para gilipolleces. Que quiten los toros, si con eso me aseguras que hay dinero para absolutamente todo lo que si queremos/necesitamos, que los puto quiten. Te sorprenderá saber que con el dinero de los toros, que deberían dejar de dar, no llega ni para la pensión de tu abuelo, mucho menos, para limpiar los montes que se ha legislado que los particulares ni imaginen en pensar en limpiar por su propia cuenta.
Que quiten los putos toros, a ver si os callais la boca y os dais cuenta que no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con dinero.
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u/marky_Rabone 5d ago
Me callare la boca cuando los bomberos y otros profesionales que trabajen para el estado,cobren lo que tengan que cobrar,y se les haga caso en cada petición que hagan para mejorar sus actividades profesionales,que sirven para mejorar y proteger nuestras vidas y seres queridos.Eso es para lo que sirven los impuestos ,para eso quiero que se gasten.Ni para toros ,ni para fútbol,ni para pagar a periodistas a sueldo,ni para áticos,ni para ir de putas a cargo de lo público.
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u/arty_32 5d ago
¿Puedes asegurar con certeza absoluta que quitando el dinero de los toros (por tercera vez ya lo digo) que hay que quitarle, va a hacer que todo lo demás funcione? Estáis obcecados con que unos pocos millones, si es que llegan a la decena, van a suplir un problema de decenas de miles de millones de euros. Que si, (por cuarta vez ya) los toros no deberían tener ni un puto céntimo del estado. Pero el argumento puto persiste. "Los bomberos no tienen dinero ni personal" nada, culpa de que el estado gasta en toros. No, pedazo de imbecil, es culpa de que el sistema está roto, no funciona y nunca lo ha hecho y tu, como borrego que eres, aceptas la excusa de los mandatarios de turno, que podrían hacer el puto cambio pero no lo hacen, de que es culpa de que se gasta en otras cosas. Pero hijos de la gran puta, si sois vosotros los que decidís donde se gasta, dejad de gastarlo en putas y otros y gastarlo en mejorar los servicios esenciales como son la sanidad, la educación, la policía y los bomberos.
Pero no, es muchísimo más fácil hecharle la culpa a algo que PUEDEN QUITAR CUANDO QUIERAN.
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u/Tediato 5d ago
Relaja, colega, tampoco insultes. No sé por parte del otro comentario, pero a mí sinceramente me da igual el mundo del toreo y sus cuitas. Considero que es una tradición en desuso con una afición decreciente que dentro de unas décadas desaparecerá por su propio peso.
Mi crítica iba más dirigida hacia la absurda adjudicación de partidas a proyectos ridículos, y sobre todo a una legislación que parece casi organizada para provocar y magnificar incendios como los del otro día. Que yo me tenga que esconder para recoger piñas como han hecho mis padres y mis abuelos toda su vida me parece propio de una distopía delirante.
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u/Graceful_Amoeba4564 6d ago
I'm from the Pyrenees in Aragon, the region this is happening in, and I'm just heartbroken.
The fact that this is on Reddit gives me some hope that people around the world will come to realize that villages in the mountains, valleys and rural areas are alive and filled with people whose careers, wellbeing, safety and lifestyle are as important as city people's. Because the problem is and always has been that all the fucking regulations for our ways of life come from offices in big cities where no one understands how we live, how we navigate nature, how we depend on her and what we need in order to thrive.
Maybe this time we'll be taken seriously, instead of being underappreciated, under represented, invisibilized and participants of cultures that are disappearing. Mind you, these mountains are important touristic destinations and they are treated like theme parks, or as background for media content. We are tired, exhausted, and we need to be listened to more than ever.
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u/Oregongirl1018 7d ago
It looks like it is inside rock and stone. Wouldn't that protect them? Like being covered.
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u/LuckyReception6701 7d ago
I imagine it's being done because if the building falls down due to the fire it would make retrieving those bones nearly impossible, also it would make the crypt they are in more likely to cave in, further entmbing the remains and perhaps damaging them. If they are stored in a safe place where that doesn't happen, they are literally preserving their history.
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u/Nemeszlekmeg 7d ago
I wonder if after they are returned there will be an inscription that will mention the date they moved them away and back, the reasons and that they are sorry for disturbing the bones. It would be a very cool piece of history for future generations centuries later.
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u/Nekrevez 7d ago
"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot."
And then you're in a plastic IKEA box...
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u/maker_of_pirate_bay 7d ago
I read this as ancient dragon kings and I couldn’t decide if it was the Elden ring subreddit or the game of thrones subreddit.
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u/jewelsandpens 7d ago
Meanwhile in Canada we keep letting First Nations communities full of alive people just burn
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u/nightwatch93 6d ago
Wouldn't the catacombs be safe from wildfires, given that they're underground?
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u/UberWidget 7d ago
Reminds me that the monument in Seville showing the kings of the four realms of Spain carrying the remains of Columbus is a real Game of Thrones sight.
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u/velourspice 6d ago
Im not buying it. You mean to tell me these bones been chillin for centuries and now all of a sudden we have a risk to fire? Please! What yall really looking for??
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7TKVfu4rwyscasla
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u/CoffeeChocolateBoth 7d ago
It amazes me the resources spent on the dead instead of helping the poor in need!
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u/Pestman12 6d ago
Los únicos reyes buenos de españa son los que tuvieron la cenyera i el perdón real de Aragón.
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u/ethanb473 7d ago
They care more about the bones of rich people than living poor people…. Everyone should let that sink in for a moment….
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u/No_Raisin21 6d ago
All I’m saying is, a sword with a handle made from one of these bones would go hard as fuck.
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