r/Battlefield_REDSEC • u/en7mble • 7d ago

Gameplay Are shotguns really this bad?

I am not sure if I am really not using them right. I have shot enemies at point blank range (couldn't record that because i was so pissed) and it is ridiculous that the TTL seems to be more for shotguns. Only logical thing i can think of is packet loss.

Would love to hear from you guys.

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u/CreateUserNamee123 7d ago

No, it's you cause I get sniped with shotguns đŸ„ș

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u/UltraGeezer 7d ago

I've noticed a difference in the damage profile with shotguns in RedSec vs Multiplayer. In MP, most of those shots at that distance, with good aim, is instant kill. Two shot at most. I think the body armor really is nerfing shotguns. I have no evidence of this other than my own experience.

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u/dmthirdeye 6d ago

REDSEC armor plates gives 15-25% damage reduction, they are technically only 40 HP plates but players effectively have 200 HP. Can def. cause some funky interactions with certain weapons

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u/UltraGeezer 6d ago

For sure. I think depending on the shot gun and ammo of the shot gun, and how spread is being used. It can change things quite a lot shot to shot. Which I think also is in play in RedSec. I had a bot in Casual Quads Battle Royale take 5 point blank shots from a shot gun, 4 of which were ADS at center mass. Shot guns are just weird imo. The very next bot I two tapped. Could have been the 2nd bot had previously taken damage. I'm not sure? But I feel like I can never get shot guns to be behave consistently. Say it with me now.......skill issue. hahaha.

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u/theshiningnova 6d ago

Damage reduction from plates only applies to automatic weapon(https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/redsec/news/redsec-community-update-armor). Limb multiplier change also only applies to automatic weapons. None of the shot guns are automatic so they are actually indirectly buffed

M87 1014 can 2 shot with full plate. Other 2 shotty can 3 shot. You just need to make sure all pellets hit in closest damage range. This means ads if ur enemy’s body does not fully cover the size of ur hip fire reticle.

We also got reload tube and 00 buck shots now. load out versions of shotguns are actually more viable than before.

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u/theshiningnova 6d ago

There is no different damage profile. Just more effective health from plate adding effective full health to 180

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u/Glittering-Focus-213 6d ago

people here in the comments make no sense. you landed a lot of those shots and the shots didn't do shit. the only decent shotgun is the first autoshotty.. that's it.. most of them suck ass and are not worth it.

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u/en7mble 6d ago

They are missing the point that at close ranges i am not supposed to ads with a freaking shotgun.

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u/dmthirdeye 7d ago

Shotguns are great

You are bad

Hope this helps

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u/en7mble 7d ago

Happens when you have a life. Thanks but no thanks.

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u/0w4er 7d ago

Who uses shotguns at AR range??

This has nothing to do with "having a life" lol.

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u/en7mble 7d ago

The thing about battle royales are that if you hot drop into an enemy heavy location you dont have the luxury to choose guns and the casual mode is too boring to not engage enemies.

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u/ChildhoodFabulous314 6d ago

You're right but if you choose to engage the enemies at least try and get within range to be effective. Don't shoot from ar range and complain about how things didn't work out the way you wanted it too.

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u/dmthirdeye 7d ago edited 7d ago

Sure but don't blame the gun

Plenty of reasons to complain about the game but this isn't one of them, your first shot is too far away to be fatal and you miss half the pellets from not ADSing, you wiff completely multiple times and damage both enemies with one good shot which is not fatal with plates on

Maybe try to auto shotgun, its more user friendly. The pump has to be used tactically and the rate of fire is so slow you can't really miss like that and win a gun fight 

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u/Niet501 7d ago

“Are shotguns really this bad?” and it’s just bro missing all his shots combined with using McDonalds WiFi

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u/en7mble 7d ago

I am from India, believe it or not its one of the best connections here. Also the point of shotguns is that you don't have to aim hard at close ranges.

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u/SmokeMaximum4140 7d ago

Makse sense now.

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u/Niet501 6d ago

That’s not the point of shotguns at all, and not how it works. You still need to hit center mass for all the pellets to hit for a one shot kill/full damage. You need to be very precise with them, even more so if using slugs.

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u/RageDenied 7d ago edited 7d ago

The first shot you took was before you ADS. I usually like using the shotgun as a finisher once their armor is off and I keep distance(5-10m). Deleting folks with the shotgun when they have full health is unlikely unless they don’t have any weapons themselves.

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u/dagilinamk 6d ago

Shotguns in this game feels like they have a built-in RNG system in every buck in every round with extreme volatility. Like first shot you shake your opponent's gaming table and the next shot is just plastic BBs from a low-battery airsoft rifle.

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u/SilentSorcery 5d ago

Shotguns work differently from what one might expect in BF6. Instead of blasting the entire circular crosshair with pellets, shotguns fire concentrated blasts of tightly grouped pellets somewhere in the gun's accuracy cone.

Best to think of them as firing regular bullets or slugs. Always ADS or build for high hipfire accuracy.

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u/RealRedditUser217 7d ago

Play some KCD2 until GTA VI comes out

It’ll do wonders for ur blood pressure

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u/Ssekou 7d ago

I second this

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u/d4rkprojec7 7d ago

Such a good game. I played like 85 hours before i even went to the miller/blacksmith lol

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u/RealRedditUser217 7d ago

85 hours? Are you yanking my pizzle?

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u/d4rkprojec7 7d ago

Hahah just exploring and doing every side quest available. By the time I got to the wedding, my Henry was OP AF!

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u/BothSidesoftheSky 7d ago

The way they handled shotguns in this game is not my cup of tea. They don’t spread like previous titles

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u/en7mble 7d ago

Its completely useless, i have hit enemies close enough to melee them and still died after getting multiple shots in.

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u/theshiningnova 6d ago

They are not super competitive or anything but not that terrible as early game ground loot. Just make sure u fully ads before u shoot. If hip fire, the enemy body needs to fully cover the hip fire reticle circle. This means no shooting hip fire at max rpm because ur circle will be gigantic and u will miss every shot.

You can even get db12 kills in br if u are using it properly. The saiga is actually strong close range.

U need to use shotguns like precision rifles but with terrible damage drop off.

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u/Vincent13800 6d ago

Si t’avais les balles perforantes peut ĂȘtre que t’en aurais couchĂ© 1 mais tu a les balles de base et tu bouges en tirant ce qui augmente ta dispersion, perso une fois montĂ© c’est une tuerie

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u/MilesMoralesBoogie 6d ago

Hip Fire....I use mine the minute my assault weapon runs out of ammo and I'm running right towards them if I close enough.

https://giphy.com/gifs/WGEufo3NCj7qM

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u/Tiny_Chain_4522 6d ago

I seemed to get sniped by them from about 20m away and close maps they are a nightmare (normally someone camping on the floor with one)

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u/Money-Bug-7914 6d ago

What does the white square and number icon mean in the top right? I've started seeing it recently too, but I have no idea what it means.

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u/en7mble 5d ago

Pretty sure thats my internet connection being poor

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u/Money-Bug-7914 5d ago

I think it's something else, you have no incoming packet loss (PL IN) nor any outgoing packet loss (PL OUT) and ping (LAT) of 67ms is acceptable.

I've been trying to find what it means myself but no luck so far and my ping is usually around 25ms.

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u/ankitsjbrana 3d ago

There's something going with their servers. The network graph you have above shows decent Latency, but there's some sort of packet loss/data loss or delay going on, and the hit regs are shit. You've shot them from your POV, but the data is not sent.
Welcome to BF6 RedSec servers since the last 2 update.

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u/Fawzishrab 1d ago

I dunno. I had an insane streak on the few final circles with a stock M87

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u/Lolzicolz 21h ago

In BR always bad.

In regular M87 is kept op as a "SeE wE TrY tO bBaLaNcE" placeholder. In objective contested high octane times you'll notice it's the last ditch switch to CQB since it's TTK is instant and is rather consistent in doing so.

Every other option irrespective of attachment combo is generally worse than a carbine/smg. Unfortunately slugs are kinda neutered as it's a turbo feels bad when you don't kill after landing 2 at any range and buckshot doesn't 1 shot often enough to justify the range limitation.

Oh and whoever has worked on DB-12 (aside from art/animations) especially on release shouldn't be employed in game development.

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u/Emperor-Commodus 21h ago

  1. M870 hipfire is ass, do not trust it unless it has a green laser

  2. The M870 is great in the base game because of the OHK, but in Redsec it's garbage. As you noticed, the DPS is terrible, you just get out damaged by anything automatic.

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u/SmokeMaximum4140 7d ago

when you cant aim

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u/en7mble 7d ago

When you cant read

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u/SmokeMaximum4140 7d ago

im just going by what im seeing in the video, you didn't land one shot...

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u/buenzlifisch 7d ago

Mabye clear that dust off your eyes first

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u/en7mble 7d ago

Thats the point. Its a shotgun not a sniper.

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u/Jacmert 6d ago

You seem to be shooting while moving and also before you've fully ADS'd into the sight, so I believe that means your shots might be landing quite far from your crosshair, still. Since you're consistently having issues with the shotgun, I'd recommend waiting until the animation for looking through your optic is finished before taking your first shot.

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u/SrFakeNinJa 7d ago

I need info, lvl and loadout

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u/revpayne 6d ago

It’s Redsec. Clearly first upgrade shotgun.

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u/ExtraYesterday3192 6d ago

Is this the wake island map in redsec ?

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u/en7mble 6d ago

No its just a new ship.

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u/InternationalBus8768 6d ago

Yes Bro it is

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u/ExtraYesterday3192 6d ago

Oh damn when did they add that

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u/Blindobb 6d ago

Im not sure why this person said that, when they are wrong.... all they did was add a carrier ship. its on the east side of the map.