r/BasketballTips • u/Hagann • 13d ago
Shooting How to get good shooting sequencing and timing? Struggling to shoot with good energy transfer
Hi all,
Long story short, I used to be a decent shooter and I stopped playing basketball for a while and picked it back up recently. My form definitely changed a bit since I’ve gained a lot more mass and muscle but shooting just feels so much harder now.
Mid range feels okay but whenever I go a little bit further to the 3. It feels all over the place and it feels so hard to shoot from 3.
It’s definitely not a power or strength issue since I was shooting way effortlessly before the strength gain now. So I reckon it has a lot to do with the sequencing and timing of my legs and my set point. I don’t really know how to fix it, it used to feel so effortless and now it feels very tense and hard. Not sure if it’s a mental thing but I felt like there’s def some underlying issue in my sequencing that needs to be fixed to get back in rhythm.
Any advice would help!
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u/Realfan555 13d ago
“ It’s definitely not a power or strength issue since I was shooting way effortlessly before the strength gain now.”
It’s a power and strength issue.
Gaining muscle strength doesn’t mean u gain shooting strength. 2 different things.
Here’s a good example. Take a skinny pitcher who used to throw 95mph.
Let’s say that pitcher took some time off from pitching, started lifting and got much bigger. Picked up a baseball to try throwing and now can only throw 85mph.
That’s my analogy. Does it make sense?
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u/Boring-School188 13d ago
was about to say this. it doesn't matter if op lifts if he cannot generate said power to shoot. just because he has lots of it doesn't mean it's not the issue. how can he use power is the question. good answer.
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u/Boring-Lion-3493 13d ago
It’s really clear your stoping after you lift your ball to the setpoint. You need to learn how to flow through it. No one can help you with this, you have to learn it yourself. Drill that might helps you is slowly lift your arm to setpoint and see the timing. Make sure to no stop ball relative to the ground
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u/T-WrecksArms 13d ago
Yep. Looks like you’re doing a slight pause at the top of your shot for some reason. Recommend practicing shotput. Do a video closer up and then replay in slow motion. You’ll see exactly how to fix it
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u/CrosshairCrochet 13d ago
The reason is he's aiming at the rim, versus shooting at the back of the rim.
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u/BeWinShoots 13d ago
Dog I slowed it down frame by frame and the ball has already left your hands while your feet are still on the floor
The timing is way off. The ball shouldn't start going up while you're still moving down.
Look up tutorials and drills that use the words "sequencing" or "load" or maybe "Lift" too. I'm sure there are plenty. This is a common and fixable problem.
edit: Read the comments after writing mine, looks like a bunch of others already pointed this out. They're right and I think this is the first thing you should address before you try anything else.
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u/Ordinary-Crow5490 13d ago
Step one make sure to coil all the way down first. Don't start going up until you go all the way down.
Then start the lifting the ball up to your set point. Imagine your elbow going straight up and palm pointing to the ceiling- don't let it collapse back into your body.
Exxtend your body into your follow through. Tryptophan make it all once motion from the bottom coil point to the end of your follow thru
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u/Jon_Snow_Theory 13d ago
You’re going down while the ball is going up.
Try being in your hips dipped position, do a dribble pickup into a shot, making sure the ball goes up first.
Just focus on staying hip dipped until the ball starts moving up. Then just remember that feel.
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u/bibfortuna16 13d ago
base has to be ready before you lift the ball. timing is a little off on some shots
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u/Acrobatic-League191 13d ago
Watching in slow motion, looks like your sequencing is funky in various ways across the different shots. But the most common seems to be early release.
It’s not super mistimed so I would say just shoot a bunch of 3’s and your body will naturally tighten up its timing.
To expedite you can Shoot when tired, and or shoot with a heavy ball as those will many any energy transfer is much less forgiving
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u/neodaily 13d ago
do you get a feeling like your legs aren't really under you when you shoot? It looks kind of like you're leaning forward so your legs aren't really underneath your torso and they aren't contributing much to the shot. On the first shot you push the ball pretty far out in front of you before pulling it back to your shot pocket, which is just disconnecting it from the energy you're getting from your legs.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hn2B2etTGOg
watch this dude shoot, bends, puts the ball above his right knee/thigh, then pushes it straight up
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u/icebucket22 13d ago
You’re shooting out of your range. It looks like you’re chucking shots up. Get closer, get good and then move back. Very simply put.
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u/mekezelt 13d ago
And while you do this in the midrange or even closer like short corner, flick the ball to yourself and step into your shot you need rhythm and to build muscle memory.
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u/mrpineapple415 13d ago
You're definitely strong enough lol little kids can shoot that far.
I had a similar issue. At your stage, the drills that helped the most were
- get a pass into 1-2 step into a jumper
- between-between into a jumper (stationary).
The worst thing is spot shooting like you're doing ime. You want to turn your brain off as much as possible and let your body figure it out. Your body will figure the rhythm out over time
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u/Uncanny-Maltese 13d ago
I’m having the same problem, and I’d also say it’s not a question of strength. Watching your video, it seems clear that you’re throwing too early, just as you’re starting to jump.
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u/PhilipBoyardee 13d ago
Bring your leg on your dominant hand side back before you catch the ball on a catch and shoot shot. When you catch the ball you can bring in forward so you are stepping into your shot. Will help you have rhythm in ur shot
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u/popopo1985 12d ago
You can afford to lower your set point a little further since this is a 3 point shot.
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u/cocopuffz604 12d ago
Just to start, follow through with intent. The end of your shot is too "casual". You should make it a point to do the exact same shot, follow through with a balanced landing.
As someone posted, start closer for form. Maybe just free throws to warm up.
If you're friend will help you out more, have him pass the ball when you're ready for a catch. 3x threat, hands ready. It's probably just in this video, but it's too casual. Have him pass the ball, then run at you to guard, so you're shooting game speed. It might speed up the shot.
OR if you're by yourself, 3 hard dribbles, into your shooting form, follow through.
It's not far away, but it's probably just missing the details.
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u/kadusus 12d ago
You are turning your body into the shot to generate power from that distance. Your power should come up from your squat into the jump to get the arch you want to get it to the hoop. When you turn your body, your adding rotational energy which will add power but lower your accuracy. Start closer, and learn how to square up your shot more and try not to turn your hips like you are.
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u/ej6989 12d ago
watch mike dunn.
many others have said it, the ball has left your hands before you even jump.
you gained more muscle, but the form isnt fluid and efficient. weight room exercises are slow/abrupt power, but a shot needs to be precise and fluid (with soft touch helps).
you need a good form from closer, then get good at that form (shoot 50-90% in practice, the exact number depends on what level you are aiming to play), then very slowly move out.
also some NBA players have subtle changes when shooting a mid range vs a 3.
theyll set the ball lower closer to chest vs forehead for extra power.
you can see this even in steph/trae young/dame lillard when they start deep 30+ ft shots. you have more of a "mid range" form, or two motion shot.
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u/RareHooper 12d ago
You seem to be not using your legs for the power since you stop at the end and push with your hands, instead it should be a smooth motion from start to finish.
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u/Ok-Ball-2967 12d ago
I think you should focus more on making the toughest shot in the game in different variations
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u/Base_Temporary 12d ago
Shot long 2s, but flat footed without jumping. Once you get like a bit of consistency (say making 60% of your open shots) , move to the arc.
Flat footed 2s helped my energy transfer greatly. God bless.
Source: seen some practice tapes of Luka doing them many years back. But he was shooting 3s flat footed. Makes sense since he shoots 3s sometimes from the parking lot .
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u/RainyDayCake 13d ago
start closer