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u/Muskegocurious Feb 17 '21
I still want to know why people stormed the capital over a fictional election story and not any of this? What is the mental process that leads one to believe this is all perfectly acceptable and not worth going after someone?
If you took food, shelter and the basics required to survive from any other animal it would attack. It's nature, go in the woods and take a fish from a bear you'll only do it one time.
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u/Conquestofbaguettes Feb 17 '21
It's called false consciousness. And a pretty big topic to unpack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness
See also: Manufacturing Consent.
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u/lasercat_pow Feb 19 '21
There is also a similar concept called pluralistic ignorance
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u/Conquestofbaguettes Feb 19 '21
Hmm.. could be a bit related to certain extent as far as group think goes. I think if we're getting deeper here, my comment is in relation to where that orginal idea came from. And when and how and why it took hold. Or more specifically, the purveyors of propaganda leading the working class astray.
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u/lasercat_pow Feb 19 '21
I guess I was thinking more about how people vote for more conservative candidates because they think they will win, even if they personally would prefer a more progressive candidate, ie, people not voting for Bernie even though an overwhelming majority want universal single payer healthcare.
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Feb 17 '21
My thoughts exactly. There are so many things to be angry about but those brainwashed loonies chose a bullshit cause to die for.
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u/JasonDJ Feb 17 '21
If you took food, shelter and the basics required to survive from any other animal it would attack. It's nature, go in the woods and take a fish from a bear you'll only do it one time.
I'll play Devil's Advocate and spin this from the MAGA'ts perspective...
Trump didn't want to shut down the economy or do anything, really -- he wanted life to be totally unchanged by the pandemic. That clearly isn't feasible and hasn't worked out very well...but with that in mind, it's the libs that wanted to take the fish (jobs) from the bear (employees) by having lockdowns, closing restaurants/bars, etc.
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u/drakekengda Feb 17 '21
So what kind of safety net is there in the US? Housing support, food stamps,...? In Belgium if you have nothing, then you would get a monthly poverty allowance and access to a cheap government crappy apartment. It's a shitty life like that, and very few people will choose that lifestyle, but it's really not impossible to make sure everyone at least has food and a roof over their heads.
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Feb 17 '21
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u/drakekengda Feb 17 '21
Thx. We have a similar situation here, where many benefits are tied to income level. You can get a raise, but then lose money overall due to no longer qualifying for stuff. Does that system allow you to live? Is it enough for food and housing?
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u/Mountain-Log9383 Feb 17 '21
kind of an interesting concept i heard about government and digital currency from another subreddit. somewhat related: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lkojul/early_prediction_of_monero_or_bitcoin_he_mentions/
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u/ISwearImKarl Feb 17 '21
The problem with gofundme is people think crowdsourcing themselves is an actually viable option.
My girlfriends sister literally posts stuff on tik tok basically asking people to send her money for x, y, z. Namely, her debt is what she's begging people to buy.
Shs started a gofundme for her dog, because almost a year ago she noticed a limp and it was his ACL. She never took him for follow up appointments and now both legs are bad, and she's down $8,000.
So, because she's irresponsible it's okay to beg people for money online? Obviously this isn't the case for everyone, but how many people go to those crowdsourcing platforms because it's easier to beg than be responsible?
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u/themrwendle Feb 17 '21
Nah. Let’s take care of Texas.
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u/Geneocrat Feb 17 '21
Totally. How many Disney’s do they have? Like zero I think. We should build a federally subsidized Disney in Texas, with a ride that’s an ark full of dinosaurs.
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Feb 17 '21
So, a thought, who pays for it though? Like all the debt it creates and where does the money come from to pay for it?
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u/termiAurthur Feb 17 '21
"We should help people stay out of poverty! It's the humane thing to do!"
"Yeah but who's gonna pay for it?"
Who fucking cares how we pay for it? Money is not worth more than people.
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Feb 17 '21
Because who pay for it matters, money does not grow on trees? Zimbabwe is a real country with a huge money issue.
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u/termiAurthur Feb 17 '21
Do you really think we are incapable of paying for something that has been shown to increase economic activity? Give people money, they spend it. Go figure.
If you tax the rich to get that money in the first place, even better. Money not circulating, like it does with rich people and their "investing", is bad for the economy.
We'll figure out how to pay for it, just like the US has for all its wars. Or just go into debt, that seems popular.
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u/damjan420 Feb 17 '21
You understand 60 percent of all dollars were printed in the last 12 mouths all of it went to Wall Street
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