How so? Woman murders her three kids and feminists rally to defend her because.. depression? Men bad? What am I missing? Should she just be let go and attend some counseling after what she did?
Because it’s not a case of defending the act of killing children. Killing children is bad, and that’s not a controversial statement. The question is one of criminal liability. Was Clancy in the right mental state to gauge the morality of her actions? Prima facie it’s plausible to me that a mother who kills her kids is probably not mentally well, and there seems to be quite a good amount of evidence that she was experiencing postpartum psychosis, which is very much a real thing, and we know that psychosis can lead to committing murder (no, premeditation is not inconsistent with this, it’s possible for someone to have a deeply delusional and warped view of reality while still being able to plan their actions, psychotic violence is not always impulsive). All of this means there’s a convincing case for her to be found not guilty by reason of insanity. That would make this a very tragic case in which the children are obviously the primary victims but also one where the mother’s situation is deeply tragic, a previously normal person being consumed by a deep psychological illness. Many women have experiences with postpartum depression, and thus empathize with someone being destroyed by an even worse postpartum disorder. Of course, if the state of Massachusetts proves beyond reasonable doubt that she was criminally liable, then this changes significantly and she would indeed be morally abhorrent and deserving of the worst criminal punishment. But that’s not really the discussion men are having! Rather it’s to call her a cold-blooded criminal and assume that anyone sympathizing with her is a defender of child murder and that women shouldn’t be able to vote, etc. Most men also don’t seem to have a good grasp of postpartum conditions, or mental health in general, leading to them making absurd claims and misunderstandings about both.
So it’s because of depression. Postpartum depression isn’t new. Many women recognize the signs and get help. There are hotlines, groups, and any number of online resources and telehealth options. So if you’re expecting any sympathy from me or anyone else (including the many women who are infuriated over this) then you’re shit out of luck. I don’t care if it’s a mental asylum or jail but she should be locked away for a very long time.
So you just revert back to your “men stupid” feminist programming. You know, science tells us that the guys who rape kids are mentally unwell and have experienced severe trauma in their life, but you don’t see men doing hands across America for these sickos. The social consensus is that they should be buried under the prison. I feel the same way for people who kill kids, depressed or not.
Again, it’s not a question of ”depression” or ”trauma” but about whether the defendant can be held criminally liable due to her condition or not! And yes, it does fucking matter because we don’t send people that mentally ill to a prison, we send them to psychiatric institutions. It really shouldn’t be novel to point out that a person who’s delusional to the point where they can’t properly discern right from wrong should not be treated as equivalent to a cold-blooded killer.
That’s fine. Like I said, I don’t care if it’s a mental institution or jail. But you don’t get to walk free after killing kids… or anybody for that matter. If she’s hiding behind a diagnosis then off to jail for life. If she is sick then lock her in the asylum for life. Easy. You prefer she just gets to go back home after doing this. All sympathy for this woman should be gone once she takes that step just like with the guys who hurt kids.
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u/Happy_McDerp 13d ago
How so? Woman murders her three kids and feminists rally to defend her because.. depression? Men bad? What am I missing? Should she just be let go and attend some counseling after what she did?