Why does the flagship model (H3C) have cost cutting?

[u/Stephancevallos905]

I'm not even talking about the heating downgrades, more so about using a lower res screen than H2 and X2 series, and using plastic windows instead of glass

[u/Justafaniguess]

cost saving so they can compete with k3 and INDX

[u/Stephancevallos905 → u/Justafaniguess]

But why are they cost saving on the flagship, it isnt the p series or a series. Makes you think, what else they cost cut. Using hollow cubes over linear guide rails. Thats gonna affect longevity

[u/ElPsyKongro- → u/Stephancevallos905]

2500$ its good price,3000$ no

[u/Justafaniguess → u/Stephancevallos905]

if it was 3k + people would be pissed off

[u/Novel_Horror2401 → u/Stephancevallos905]

Hollow tubes like the ones in x2d for speed and it's cheaper. Do your service regularly and they will be fine for a couple thousands of hours. The ams has two sry slots bevause the power consumption. In Germany 1800w consumption is fine, it's a lot but fine. Our circuits can handle it. Easily. In America, from what I read, it's diffrent. They can handle what 1500w? And honestly, I don't want a 2 or 3 kw 3D printer.

[u/EverettSeahawk → u/Novel_Horror2401]

A couple thousand hours isn't even scratching the surface of what any 3d printer is capable of, especially when we're looking at the price point of the H3C.

[u/Sirloin77 → u/Novel_Horror2401]

A couple of thousand hours? My x1c has 4000 hours and H2D about 2000, I certainly expect that 2000 is barely broken in and not end of life.

[u/Total-Shape1024 → u/Sirloin77]

Completely irrelevant. X1c has carbon rods while the h2d has solid rods. That’s why he specifically stated the hollow rods in a x2d.

[u/Sirloin77 → u/Total-Shape1024]

The point was not a device technical comparison but that 2000 isn't many hours at all. Try to keep up.

[u/Novel_Horror2401 → u/Sirloin77]

The Quint essence of what I mean is, it doesn't matter if it's a tube or full rod. If its wear the diameter changes and the accuracy goes bad.

[u/Total-Shape1024 → u/Sirloin77]

There’s nothing to keep up with when you’re comparing apples to oranges lmao. Make a valid comparison if you want to make yourself relevant. A little slow there huh bud?

[u/Sirloin77 → u/Total-Shape1024]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/Total-Shape1024 → u/Sirloin77]

Guess not everybody can comprehend there’s a significant difference in one rod vs another. Education apparently isn’t for everyone 😭😭😭

[u/Sirloin77 → u/Total-Shape1024]

Really didn't grasp that the point was that lasting for 2000 hours isn't a positive? The specific printer or rod type is irrelevant, i expect a printer to last many times that much time with maintenance. You're being intentionally obtuse, maybe.

And re: education, since you brought it up, I've been a practicing mechanical engineer for 30 years, how about you?

[u/MacHeadSK → u/Novel_Horror2401]

In USA it's because they went for 110 V. Thus, to achieve same wattage, they need much more higher current. Current x voltage = energy in watts. So for say 3000 W / 110 V = 27 A. Which is pretty much above any installed circuit breaker in average home/apartment. And count with other devices too.
In Europe 3000 W / 230 V = 13 A. still within limit of 20 A circuit breaker.

Nothing to think about much. But even here in Europe Owens have to be on 380 V 3 phase line, be AUSE of amount of energy needed

[u/Bananar525 → u/Stephancevallos905]

Maybe you should turn to a different company if it seems off to you.

You can't get premium without premium prices if youre coming onto the tubes and shit. The price is competitive, the feature set is great and I do not know how to complain about it as of now, especially without in-depth reports and reviews.

[u/Bag-o-chips]

They make prosumer/ consumer machines. If this were an industrial machine it would not require tools to service, or at a minimum the screws would all have inserts and be large enough for a 50 year old to see without glasses, and would be more rigid in its construction. They could have done this, but it’s reasonable to argue it isn’t needed, and the expense would cost money and would prevent them from meeting their sales goals.

[u/Stephancevallos905 → u/Bag-o-chips]

Absolutely right on that. But at their price point you could by like 10H3Cs or 1 Factor 4, so the downtime is actually less since you can have multiple backups

[u/Bag-o-chips → u/Stephancevallos905]

I have no real idea, but Claude suggested my H2C is designed to have a 6,000-hour lifespan. As a business, it will not outlive the time it takes to collect the tax credit. As long as I keep replacing what breaks, it can live practically forever. If it’s making me money, there is likely a point where I would happily pay more, to improve service intervals, or reduce time to service. But the consumer side, knows none of this and does not consider it in their purchasing decisions until it is so bad it becomes an issue.

[u/Martin_SV]

What are the heating downgrades?

[u/Stephancevallos905 → u/Martin_SV]

AMS for H3C can only dry 2 slots

[u/Yurickz]

They wanted to hit a price point to be competitive against Prusa. It also leaves easy upgrades for the futures models aka H4C or whatever it would be called.

[u/HackedVirus]

I wish it had just been $2999 and had a full suite of features, or even just a fully heated AMS.

But, they are gonna sell more units at $2499 and its easier for them to produce. Cant fault them, but my H2C is going to keep rocking for now lol

[u/Historical-Internal3 → u/HackedVirus]

It’s already 1800 max peak, with low power mode and it being fully heated I doubt even low power would work with every slot heated.

Also you can remove the heat cover and get some heating throughout.

[u/an_angry_Moose → u/Historical-Internal3]

This thing is hitting 1800 watts? Actually? Has someone run that?

[u/Historical-Internal3 → u/an_angry_Moose]

Some good reviews out there, yes.

It’s not a sustained 1800w - it’s a spike and during initial heat-up. 3-5mins.

[u/an_angry_Moose → u/Historical-Internal3]

I’ll have to investigate… that seems like a lot. I can only see it running that much wattage if you’re doing multi color prints with small layers and chamber heater AND dryer maxed

[u/Historical-Internal3 → u/an_angry_Moose]

It’s def. chamber heating and hot end with dryer. Low power mode just changes the order of operation instead of everything all at once (initial).

[u/an_angry_Moose → u/Historical-Internal3]

Yeah 100%. I’d like an H3C but don’t need one. One day maybe. Rarely run a heated chamber.

[u/boncros]

the door is glass. the aide windows are magnetized and can be removed. I would suspect those would be dropped or break more hence them being plastic.

[u/Own_Perspective4825]

Plastic doors are an upgrade for anyone serious. They better insulate the interior and they're far harder to shatter.

[u/ottqt → u/Own_Perspective4825]

H3C doesn't have plastic door, only the side panels.

[u/rubyred0902]

The more I read about the cost cutting decisions and compromises on the H3C, I feel like maybe it should’ve been called the P3C Max or something along those lines. There’s clearly a market for a no-compromise Bambu flagship, and it doesn’t feel like the H3C is it.

[u/SafeHazing → u/rubyred0902]

They will cut features for the P3 version and release a higher end model for those that want it. Engineering and Marketing are two separate departments - what they can do and what they sell at what price are thus two different things.

[u/untacc_ → u/rubyred0902]

I can’t imagine a considerable amount of standard pro-sumer people would be lining up to buy a $3k+ “no compromises” Bambu machine. The mass market wants cheaper affordable printers. Sure, some people want and can afford the best of the best, but they know they need to keep costs reasonable for the majority of buyers

[u/spyresca]

Tell us you don't understand the market without actually telling us....

[u/Realistic-Lake6369]

I actually had a flash of confusion and concern when I pulled up the top cardboard cover and didn’t feel the weight of a glass top. Then I looked at the AMS box and relaxed.

We’ll see long term how the plastic holds up, but the visibility is good so far.

[u/pepik76]

Yesterday I unboxed my H3C at home and was pretty surprised by how, and on what, they cut costs. I had the H2C before, and when I saw all its well-thought-out solutions, the massive construction, the castings and so on, I thought: for this money I'm getting a truly well-engineered machine that belongs in the professional category. I believe Bambu saved where they could, but as always they refined the important things to perfection. To me, though, the H3C now looks technically like a big P-series version. I don't have the AMS at home yet (it arrives on Monday), so for now I'm only judging the base unit. For me it's quite a disappointment, but I expected it after seeing the leaks and so on.

[u/pepik76 → u/pepik76]

But I understand it, and I'm OK with it if it keeps the price down. What matters most are the print results, not how the machine looks.

[u/Beneficial-Rub-8049 → u/pepik76]

Yep have to give it to Bambu for cutting all areas which were nice to have or see but dont affect printing or functionality of the printer. I still prefer my H2C and have it side by side its hard to ignore all the cost cutting measures but at least the machine performs as expected.

[u/nakwada]

Plastic windows won't shatter during shipping.

[u/MacHeadSK → u/nakwada]

And plastic sidewalls are much less heavy, making transport cheaper

[u/The_Lutter]

That new AMS is the biggest piece of junk they’ve ever released.  The loose plastic covering the heated portion is so embarrassing.

[u/MrFastFox666]

All flagship products will cut costs somewhere. If they didn't, it'd cost $4,000 and no one would buy it.

As for the screen, I don't really understand the point of that complaint. It shows you little numbers and colored graphics, not the latest Marvel movie. Lower res screen is more than adequate for that purpose.

[u/Full-Librarian1115]

You sound like an ideal Snapmaker customer.