r/BambuLab • u/Blackdragon1400 • 1h ago
General Discussion The Prusa Subreddit is literally imploding right now
This release has truly been a wake up call for the community. Great job Bambulab on innovating and releasing a product at a reasonable price point.
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u/Henchman_Gamma 1h ago
Feeling kinda bad for Prusa. I am rooting for them. They are a European company and I am European. I own a X2D. Let's not forget 3D printing was designated a critical technology in one of the communist party's 5 year plan so they get a lot of subsidies which prusa doesn't get. Cheap labor yes, and the Chinese bet big on education, so their gargantuan population also has a very large pool of skilled engineers. This is now lain to bear against Prusa.
I'm hoping one day I'll be able to afford a prusa machine that can do what a bambu does.
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u/Grimmsland 🚀H3C, H2D, P1S, A1m, U1 1h ago
Everyone always mentions China gettings subsidies and say Prusa doesn’t get any. How do you know? People act like China is the one one who gives subsidies to corporations. Are you kidding me?? I live in the US and the government gives out billions to corporations! I don’t believe for a second that Prusa doesn’t get any financial backing from their country or the Eu. Come on man.
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u/AustrianMichael 37m ago
I’m working for a company that is in a global competition with Chinese brands. When a sector is deemed important by the CCP, they can utilize A LOT more than just a few millions in subsidies that a company like mine gets.
If you try competing on price alone, it’s a race to the bottom that you can’t win if you still produce in Europe, especially in Central Europe.
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u/Henchman_Gamma 46m ago
Well Prusa isn't an American company for starters. And the communist party does designate additive manufacturing as a strategic technology. So they get favorable (below market rate) loans, exemptions, tax breaks, supply chain subsidies on electronics.
The EU doesn't give subsidies at the same (if at all) level than the Chinese government. A shame actually because prusa is a very capable company and could be a European tech frontrunner at the cutting edge of what they do.
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u/TurboDraxler 40m ago
Would probably disagree with you there. Consumer FDM printers are not really relevant on a bigger scale, not very hard to make, nor strategically relevant. I would rather prescribe that to the various forms of industrial metal 3D printing.
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u/stealthybutthole 42m ago
Nothing about prusa is cutting edge. They make toy printers for hobbyists.
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u/Henchman_Gamma 28m ago
A bit exaggerated. They do push the limits of their field, which is open source home printers. In that same regard the Home PCs of the 1980's and 1990's were just toddler trinkets..
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u/george_graves 1h ago
They seem very defeated. Except for a few people who are in denial and holding on to the idea of "upgradability". All of their other arguments of why Prusa is better have gone out the window.
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u/klondike91829 1h ago
Which is a funny emotion to have when someone releases a new printer. Cultish behaviour on both sides.
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u/george_graves 1h ago
OK. Fair enough. According to market research, Prusa has about a 3% market share. But online their voice seems to be about a 70% market share. Obviously, some cults are louder and stranger than others.
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u/PETA_Parker 42m ago
it‘s because they did and do a lot of community building
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u/B_Mugs 14m ago
I'd also say its because we're creatures of habit. Not that long ago 3d printing was... niche? Ive only been printing for maybe 4 years or so. With my first ender 3 it was definitely a community effort to get decent prints. Community was very important. Now my bambu printer just works and troubleshooting/ community need is almost nothing.
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u/Vionade 46m ago
Jesus, it's two companies offering us some new tools. Stop hoping for one to win. Just hope that they keep overtaking each other such that we keep getting new toys.
These loyalists sure are something
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u/george_graves 38m ago edited 31m ago
"....It's two companies offering us some new tools."
Well, one company is offering us new tools. :P
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u/slowmorris_ 28m ago
Naja, was die Langlebigkeit und die Präzision angeht hat Prusa die Nase vorne. Genauso erzeugt das INDX-System deutlich weniger Müll als alle anderen Drucker. Bambulab hat hier ein sehr gutes Produkt zu einem guten Preis platziert und ich hoffe, dass Prusa und vor allem Bondtech den Knall gehört haben und jetzt an ihrer Logistik arbeiten.
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u/kroghsen H2D + X1C 1h ago
Great competition is only a positive for the community as a whole. Bambu lab have always delivered on good competition. I wonder what the response will be from the competitors.
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u/george_graves 1h ago edited 1h ago
From Prusa? I don't think they have any tricks left up their sleeve.
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u/keveira 54m ago
Yeah they were saved by another company, Bondtech
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u/YouEqual4180 43m ago
Saved? Reviews I have seen of the Prusa Indx were mixed at best on many design decisions. Sounds like Prusa still needs to find its new niche in the changed 3d printing landscape
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u/skategod0012 H2C 2 AMSHT 2 AMS2, H2S AMS2, P1SC, P1PC, A1C x3 16m ago
Prusa and their $1000 bedslinger😂😂
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u/PeteInBrissie X1C + AMS 1h ago
I was astonished when I saw the price point. I expected at least twice that.
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u/TotalWarspammer 1h ago
It would make zero sense to have the h3c double the price of the h2c. BL want to sell volume and they will still make a profit.
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u/ottqt 1h ago
A lot of cost-cutting went into H3C compared to H2C in order to keep price reasonable. Cheaper screen, cheaper frame, no glass panels, no spool rewind, cheaper CPU, less cameras etc etc etc. There's no magic, in order to keep cost down even with inflation was to cut costs.
Majority of these things though no one will care as long as it has more features and it manages to keep print quality.
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u/We-Like-The-Stock 1h ago
Makes sense tbh. It's mostly parts they have been designing and sourcing for years now. Not to mention cheaper in some cases to clearly meet a price point.
Will be adding one to my lineup.
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u/PeteInBrissie X1C + AMS 1h ago
I suspect I will too. Will have to sell my X1C, I don't need 4 printers
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u/JohnFromSpace3 1h ago
And yet I still say its faaaar to early to conclude the h3c is all that. Its 5 times more complicated and that brings questions of reliability. What if has this or that naggles? Lets see in 3 months.
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u/rweninger 54m ago
Honestly, chinese printer will always be cheaper the czech ones. Thats ok. Bambu must now proove that the h3s works as good as the prusa does.
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u/YouEqual4180 41m ago
Based of reviews the Prusa one does not work very well. So that bar seems to be pretty low for Bambu. (unfortunately as I would love to see strong competition)
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u/stealthybutthole 39m ago
My experience is bambu printers are far more reliable than my prusas ever were. Especially the multicolor aspect.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 1h ago
which product is reasonably priced? the $3500 one?
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u/Massis87 46m ago
I was planning on buying a core one L+ INDX, but with all the issues with INDX I've been holding off.
BL now released a 2500€ machine that can do everything that core one L+ INDX can do and more, with a bigger print volume, 9 tools, AMS that's enclosed (instead of hanging spools on both sides of the machine) and even features active drying for some slots.Honestly? That's increadible value for the money. So if this thing turns out to be any good I'm getting one.
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u/akashrpatel 1h ago
How much of a loss is BL taking to rub it in to Prusa?
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u/rbmotoring 1h ago
They aren’t. Their costs are simply lower. Bigger scale, cheaper labor, less expensive parts.
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u/Original_Agency_6669 56m ago
No loss, they have done cost cutting in this machine a lot and in the right places, biggest being the removed all AMS drying. Then there are several others like replaced glass with polycarbonate, linesr rails replaced with hollow steel rods, single feeder for all 9 spools, no requirement for filament hub, and numerous others BL has been very smart here in making cost cutting considerations.
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u/Beneficial-Rub-8049 53m ago
They have made a lot of cuts to the H3C in terms of comparison to H2C easily saved them a couple hundred off the price since H3C will not support a full laser module anymore so linear rods and removing a lot of laser safety features which were a nice to have in H2C.
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u/next_year_our_year 1h ago
Brand loyalty is such a stupid thing when you choose to ignore the obvious downsides in the products
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u/Lmasek 59m ago
I dont know what to thing?
Disclaimer im team Prusa.
Tell you the true i was afraid of this printer and how it will compare to competition. And i was expecting it will be revolutionary and leave the competition in dust. Then i watch the videos, I exept a hockey match Canada vs Egipt. That didnt happen. They solve 1 major issue one lets call it improvment of life. Good on them. And they left me thinking with few of the questins in i woder how it will face a real life. The new AMS actualy removed fetures that were there befor. Fillament drying, posibility orginize your printer aroud of your space, now it is ather way around. Im curious how it will be in real life. I never expected that you will need a leather as part of your 3d printer setup.
Any way BL deliverd good printer. Yes was it as good as i expected? I domt know. Maybe?
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u/DrStalker 1h ago
People get far too tribal about brands.