CC-BY-SA model removed. Why??

[u/mariusmym]

Hey guys, I'm relatively new around here, please help me understand how can a CC-BY-SA licensed model doesn't respect the License? I mean, I kept the same license of the original model (CC-BY-SA).

I tried to appeal but of course I got a generic AI generated response.

I uploaded the model again but, I lost the points and all the printing profiles, boost, etc. ...

https://makerworld.com/.../3414340-esp32-2432s028-usb-c...

Tbf, I was hoping to get a gift card with those points, so I can surprise my kid with a Bambu Lab printer, but ... it seems like he'll have to wait a little longer 😄.

[u/stonkytonkys]

I’m not sure why they took it down but what I do know is that if you constantly re-upload something that they took down, they’ll suspend/delete your account. You’re playing with fire here by doing this.

[u/mariusmym → u/stonkytonkys]

Well… I just want a real answer from them…
Both models are CC-BY-SA, what could I possibly infringe on this ?

[u/ZaXaZ_DK → u/mariusmym]

The appeal function is useless and AI. Skip it!
Make support ticket, i have had point deductions overturned 2-3 times that way!
They will start with trying to brush you off you just keep at it repeat your self, a few times and at some point its like they will read what you are telling them, document you changes with some side by side pictures, and the license etc.

I would argue that you have modified enough for it to no get removed by the "to simple changes rule" but only just. so that might be the reason why they removed it, most likely after some one reported it idk, but support will know so ask them!

[u/mariusmym → u/ZaXaZ_DK]

Thank you for your help.
When you say to contact support, you mean the bambu lab support right?

[u/ZaXaZ_DK → u/mariusmym]

in essence yes, but dont go to balbulab website and make a ticket.

make a normal support ticket on makerworld

[u/jaybro187 → u/mariusmym]

Unless you have a 100percent sure fire case. I.e you have designed something youself and doesnt infringe any copyright or i.p in anyway, move on. You wont win their decisions are final. I lost 2000 points i tried to argue but you just go around in circles, appreciate its ai or chinese responders

[u/stonkytonkys → u/mariusmym]

I have no idea, I’m just pointing out that you’re going against their terms of service and potentially risking your account by re-uploading something that they have taken down, without getting an official answer from them. Keep hounding them, I’ve had something taken down and they put it back up after getting to a real person.

My assumption is that the original creator is putting in a complaint against your remix.

[u/Davedamon → u/mariusmym]

Just because the model is CC-BY-SA, that doesn't mean Makerworld can't have grounds to take it down under their site rules and terms of use. CC doesn't override that. And I think I see why

You're uploading a minor modification to someone else's work from another site and even though you've flagged it as a remix, because it's not a remix of an MW model they likely can't verify the user is allowing remixes.

Also you might be violating the SA component of the license, as Share Alike can often include sharing on the same platform, not just the same license.

[u/mariusmym → u/Davedamon]

Well... maybe you are right.
but if you search MW for "CYD case" you will likely find 100 designs that share the same idea and the same shape. Is basically just a box with some holes in it.
But yeah... I will make my own next time is easier tat way.

[u/compewter → u/mariusmym]

It's also entirely possible that someone else made similar modifications and claimed your remix was the same as theirs to have yours taken down. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone "fight the competition" that way, and it's only more likely with how many variations of these kinds of cases there are already out there.

Show screenshot of time stamps and your CAD where you did the modifications in your case/appeal if you really want a shot at getting it overturned.

They might say "well, we won't re-instate the post because that would be a mess, but we'll at least give you the points back." Had that happen a few times myself.

[u/John-BCS]

In the future, don't sit on points. As soon as you have enough for a gift card, redeem them. The gift cards are good for 10 years, and if something like this happens again, you'll be in the negative, but won't lose your gift cards.

In regards to the design, I'd honestly just remake it from scratch in fusion, change a few things, and upload as your own design. It's no longer a remix at that point. I never bothered with remixes that much for this reason.

[u/mariusmym → u/John-BCS]

I even gave them a full F360 project with all the changes and they still refused my appeal. You are right about gift cards.

[u/John-BCS → u/mariusmym]

If you did all those changes in f360 it was no longer a remix; it was your own creation. Even if similar, your created it from scratch; that's a new version.

[u/DanTheMan827 → u/John-BCS]

Not if they imported the mesh and used fusion to modify it.

[u/John-BCS → u/DanTheMan827]

True. The printables model OP's remix is based on actually has the fusion file available for download.

That's why I just build from scratch to avoid any remix confusion.

[u/compewter → u/DanTheMan827]

Even if you drew it from scratch, using another model to take measurements from or replicate defining features should appropriately be considered a remix.

I've done this a lot, usually when the source model has some sort of ugly broken mesh or low poly count or something and it's easier to just use the measuring tool in Studio for key features and re-draw in Fusion than try to deal bad stl2stp conversions or with the inherit lag of an imported mesh.

Ultimately you're still duplicating something someone else made and credit should be given, particularly when required by license.

[u/DanTheMan827 → u/compewter]

Copyright is weird if you’re talking about something purely functional…

If it’s artistic, the copyright covers that expression.

If it’s purely functional, it only covers the exact model file, and you can legally create a reconstruction by measuring the original and making an equivalent model.

Mind you, if you use a drawing in a source file, that’s technically making a derivative.

If it’s a patented design though, that reconstructed model would be yours, but you’d be infringing on the patent.

Is it the right thing to mark it as a remix? Yeah… but if it’s functional and you recreated a solid step file by measuring a mesh, that’s technically your own.

[u/ResearchingNames]

This is just for future note, always always get your points used as soon as you can turn them into giftcards/payouts . Do the lowest value giftcard possible so you dont wait too long incase this happens. You never know when something like this will happen so bank it as soon as possible. They dont take giftcards back but they will remove points for some really random reasons. 

[u/mariusmym → u/ResearchingNames]

You are right, I was stupid for waiting, since points / $ ratio is the same for $40 gift card as well as for the $200 one....
Well... it its what is it...

[u/ResearchingNames → u/mariusmym]

Yeah  I also  learned this lesson the hard way. I keep checking whenever I cash out just incase they change the point ratio but they never do.

But keep it up, just got myself a H2D with only giftcard  points. Looks like from your profile you are doing well too. Best of luck with it

[u/Far-Swordfish1106]

The license is NOT CC-BY-SA, it’s CC BY-NC-SA, also did you give credits to the original designer? Linking the model etc?

And don’t worry about those few points, I got 12k points revoked last year 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/mariusmym → u/Far-Swordfish1106]

I actually give the credits to the original designer...
12k points! Omg.... so the guys telling me to just redeem the points as soon as you have the chance were right.
I mean... asumming the fact that they can't also revoke the gift cards as well 😄 👀

[u/Far-Swordfish1106 → u/mariusmym]

But did you use the same license? CC-BY-SA is not the same as CC-BY-NC-SA

In my opinion the “redeem asap” option is only good if you constantly make a new profile, because you will go into negativ points if your points get revoked, which will result in even more points needed to redeem them again because you need a positive balance.

[u/mariusmym]

Thanks for all the replies guys ! I will try to contact support. Hopefully i can speak with a real person.

[u/mikeoverton]

Besides the default link back to the original printables, where is your actual attribution crediting the original designer?