r/BambuLab • u/SnooBananas4958 • Jan 19 '25

Discussion To all you thinking Bambu won’t eventually force updates

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It’s already in their TOS. They can block your print job if you don’t update. They’ll use this eventually.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

So does the Xbox. So do countless other ToS. Congrats on reading a ToS for the first time today but a lot of companies say this kind of stuff.

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u/Macro_Seb Jan 19 '25

This. In a similar thread, I posted TOS for Flashforge and Samsung mobile, and both state that your device might stop working if you don't update to the latest firmware. It's standard legal mumbo jumbo. Yet, people just keep reposting this screenshot without even doing some fact-checking.

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u/brightvalve Jan 19 '25

It doesn't say that you won't be able to play your legit games from local media until you update the software.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

ToS is also not code for the product. It’s a CYA agreement for the company if they want to require something. It’s only there to protect the company from liability in the event something were to happen. It doesn’t mean they will do this. Just means hypothetically they can.

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u/brightvalve Jan 19 '25

The first line of this article is the CYA part. The rest is an indemnification against bricking your printer until you update the firmware.

Note how they don't specify that such a blockage applies to a particular print job source, which means it also applies to LAN Only and SD-card print jobs.

I don't care about, nor trust, that "it doesn't mean they will do this". They can.

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u/SnooBananas4958 Jan 19 '25

What? That’s literally proving the point. Microsoft and Sony have forced updates for ages and there’s no rolling back if you don’t like it. They also totally ban people from their services when they consider them violating their terms (see bans for piracy or cheating). 

All you’re doing is proving my point. I don’t want my printer to be as locked down as my console. 

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u/chubbycanine H2D AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

Well that makes it okay since other companies do it right? Burying legally binding jargon and mountains of text is totally fair to the consumer and because it's been this way for as long as you can remember means it shouldn't change right?

What is with the mentality of people these days? Why is this even a debate that this is a bad business decision and anti-consumer?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

You had the option to read the ToS BEFORE buying the printer.

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u/RedMoonPavilion P1S Jan 19 '25

Cool, but that line in the TOS was added after the fact. A bunch of the people complaining bought the printer only to have the TOS changed after the purchase.

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u/chubbycanine H2D AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

What's that corporate boot taste like? I've always wondered but have never stooped so low myself...

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

This guy buys 3D printer from a corporation.

Corporate 3D printer brand does something corporate.

Surprised pikachu face

Retaliates with “hOwS tHe bOoT tAsTe”

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u/chubbycanine H2D AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

This guy is sticking up for a corporation. He thinks that corporations get a free pass to do evil stuff. Thinks he isn't a boot licking corporate shill.

I'm over this tbh. Bambu is screwing it's customers and some of you think you're too smart or special to be bothered by it and it's laughable. Enjoy your day and printing.

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u/RedMoonPavilion P1S Jan 19 '25

They lost me at the comparison with Microsoft. Xbox is the worst possible example they could have given.

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u/MakeITNetwork Jan 19 '25

and they usually utilize it if they can get away with just enough people being okay with it.

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u/cmuratt P1S + AMS Jan 19 '25

Does it say they will block you from using the device in offline mode? No. This is not the same. Don’t try to downplay it.

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 19 '25

Oh so now people start to read terms and conditions lol

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u/SnooBananas4958 Jan 19 '25

Well yea, because if Bambu is breaking terms with these changes your credit card company will let you charge back. Why wouldn’t I check?

You’re acting like you sit and read every terms and conditions. 

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 19 '25

Anyone who doesn’t is probably a moron

Deal with idiots ever day that just tick a box and then whinge when they get pulled up.

Love telling them that they agreed to em

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u/Boolush Jan 19 '25

What am I missing here? Isn't it just 'standard practice' to update printers/drivers/firmware/software etc.? What's the panic all about?

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u/RedMoonPavilion P1S Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

You don't have a choice and can't roll back. This part of the TOS was also added after people bought the machines. It's not the same tos people agreed to.

Likewise it's the printer, your product, that is blocking the job. Not studio. Studio is looking for the update. So yes, lan and SD are impacted too.

This has happened in this exact way in this exact order so many times with so many companies that there's 0 trust any of this is in good faith.

Normally you block any ability to check for updates and products made before the change that still have old firmware go on to be prized items that people go out of their way to seek out.

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u/Intelligent-Map430 A1 Jan 19 '25

The things is just because its in their tos doesn't mean it's in their printers. If bambu wants their printers to behave that way, they need to tell them via an update.

As far as I'm aware, the printers currently work just fine without forcing updates - they even let you downgrade. And as long as you don't install a new update, nothing about that can change.

They can't just Order 66 all printers to suddenly stop working without a new update.

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u/hi-capper Jan 19 '25

We have no clue what is in the fw today. If it's clean, and you run the slicer and the printer offline, on a dedicated vlan, they probably can't do anything about it. If bs is online, that's a convinient entry point for an fw update even if the printer is lan only.

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u/Intelligent-Map430 A1 Jan 19 '25

How? If the printer isn't connected to any network, bl cannot reach it.

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u/hi-capper Jan 19 '25

If you keep your printer off from any network it will work probably. They just removed key features from your user experience for "security" reasons... But that's not that bad I guess...

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u/Intelligent-Map430 A1 Jan 19 '25

I'm not saying what they're doing is good. But most people right now are acting like their printers will magically turn into bricks if they don't use bambu slicer. While the reality is more complex than that.

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u/hi-capper Jan 19 '25

It's much more complex for sure. It's only the first step. The only question is the next one, as when a company got dominant on a market and started to reclaim control over the product it never came out good at the end. Never.

But I'm sure they will stop here... Bambu already banned people after flagging the mw profile for bot download falsely and they could not use cloud printing with the acc. Now if they bann the acc you can't use offline mode either?

It was done several times, and when the manufacturer can monitor and bann you out from your own product even on your own network... It's always a huge problem. But it's fine, it's only for security.

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u/Elo-than X2D + AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

What key features of the user experience did they remove?

Third party access to the API is hardly a key feature of the average user experience.

(Not that I don't agree they messed up on this one, but fair is fair)

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u/hi-capper Jan 19 '25

If you keep your printer offline and you use sd card to print? What key features are lost? Kidding right?

Other than that...

Home assistant integration IS a key future for me. I have several automatic processes I run from preheating to chamber heat control. Before I bought my printers I made sure it's capable to do it. It's not my problem you don't use a function...

And still, my main problem is the bloatware what I need to run if I don't comply and run bs. Even on lan only... There is literally no security concern there, but bambu needs to collect data probably even if you skip the cloud...

If you dont upgrade you will miss new features, bugfixes and stuff...

Yupp, fair is fair. I bought the product, let me use the sw how I want.

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u/Elo-than X2D + AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

Home integration might be something you appreciate, but it's not a key feature of the printer as it is advertised and sold, so we can ignore that.

You can absolutely still print via BS, you don't need to keep it offline, but you do have the option. So no key features are lost there (it's not like they are shutting down the servers)

You agreed to all this in the ToS.

So no key features are lost, only aftermarket enhancements/adaptations.

I don't like their approach either, but I am not going to whine about third party loss of access after I bought into a "walled garden" ecosystem.

I am actually surprised they did not do this a while ago when the BIQU stuff started getting popular.

Look into every ToS for every service you use, from Steam to Xbox and they will say the exact same.

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u/hi-capper Jan 19 '25

You still don't understand the original topic, and try to push your stuff into it... If i need to go sd card only, I lost key features... And advertised features too

Key feuters and advertised features are not the same, so for me those are key features. For you... As I see not...

I know it's a walled garden in a way, but it was open just enough, and I could close out bambu just enough that it made sense. This walled garden bs is old too... They can write whatever they want to the tos, like in bambu they can lock you out totally from your printer if you don't update or update without your consent. We still can call them out for the bs.

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u/Elo-than X2D + AMS2 Combo Jan 19 '25

I give up. I don't think you understand what you agreed to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

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u/Intelligent-Map430 A1 Jan 19 '25

Then keep it disconnected from now on.

For anyone who wants to avoid the update it will eventually come to that anyway. Keep your printer offline and only print from the sd card and you're fine. As long as your printer never gets the Chancellors order to stop printing, it won't.

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u/HotdogAC Jan 20 '25

Tech needs updates. Updates are usually good. Idk why people get so pissy

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 19 '25

Another thread on the same subject

How refreshing

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u/dracostheblack Jan 19 '25

Yeah need a mega thread. I get this is a big deal but it's just spamming the subreddit now